Gays in the millitary?? No fair!!

[SFC Ollie]

waiting

Awe, the poor baby Commander got his feelings hurt and negged me. Is that your cyber version of a Captains mast?

I don't see what is so difficult, you knew that you had sailors who were Gay, You were an Officer, and you did not follow up on regulations. You broke the regulations by allowing them to go unchallenged.

10 U.S.C. § 654, Policy concerning homosexuality in the Armed Forces

DoD Directive 1332.14, Enlisted Administrative Separation

MILPERSMAN 1910-148 Separation by Reason of Homosexual Conduct

NAVADMIN 291/99, Continuing Guidance Concerning Proper Application of DoD Homosexual Conduct Policy

ADMIN 094/00 Homosexual Conduct Policy and Training Requirements


Take your pick SIR! (put a little slur n that sir, Nam grunts might understand it) And my bet is that you also knew this before DADT. God only knows how many regs were broken then.

Now pass some rep around and neg me again, You broke the ******* regs.

The first one, is a POLICY that states if you have absolute physical proof that someone has committed homosexual acts, then you have to discharge them. However, if you have SUSPICIONS that the individual is gay, you cannot ask, and they cannot tell you, until AFTER there is physical proof (i.e. photographs or eyewitnesses).

MILPERSMAN? Ollie, do you realize what that book is? It's the Military Personnel Manual, which lays out the procedures for ALL discharges. That one just happens to discuss what the procedures are after proof has been retrieved. It tells you what to put on the DD214.

The other ones are re-iterating what the policies are. You can discharge if you have physical proof, but if it's only suspicion, then you can't ask and they don't have to tell.

Incidentally, one of the things that is required prior to being separated? You have to be interviewed by a shrink to determine if you really are gay.

Way to go Army Bag Girl Ollie......you've shown yet again what a pompous ass you are.

Incidentally, what the **** is some ground pounding delivery boy gonna really know about the Navy anyway? You stated the deck of a carrier isn't dangerous because you landed on one ONCE in a Blackhawk. There was where I first knew you were dumber than a bag of bricks.

This thread? Just keeps polishing that fucked up image. BTW Olliver Pissed, does the Army think it's okay for someone who is retired (and thereby still in), to disrespect a retired CDR?

I guess the Army has no discipline or military bearing if you're the poster boy for them here.

Glad I didn't join your fucked up service.........respect for my superiors is something I've had since I was a kid.

Apparently you missed that class........

You wouldn't have lasted a month in the Army.

Fucked up service? Not at all

ARMY
Air Force
Navy
Marines
Coast Guard
Different Uniforms
Different missions
Same flag.

I think I'll just ignore your stupid ass for a while since you cannot respect the branches of service and individuals who served in them. Go push your desk around the office or something.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You wouldn't have lasted a month in the Army.

Fucked up service? Not at all

ARMY
Air Force
Navy
Marines
Coast Guard
Different Uniforms
Different missions
Same flag.

I think I'll just ignore your stupid ass for a while since you cannot respect the branches of service and individuals who served in them. Go push your desk around the office or something.

Cool.......ignore me Ollie the Pissed, delivery boy for the ignorant, why the **** would someone who is as disrespectful as you are have anything to offer?

You're just upset that you got pwned. By the way........hypocrite much?

 

[Father Time]

There is no discrimination with a policy that tells homosexuals to keep their sexual life a personal and private matter, especially a policy that allows them to serve.

It is when it only applies to homosexuals.

Are you knowledgable about the Army and how we operate? Are you knowledgable about military regulations and policy other than your homosexual one-sided agenda crusade against DADT? A soldier's sexual orientation is a personal and private matter, not a matter that everyone in the unit must know and not something that a soldier needs to divulge. Its not discrimination to tell a soldier to keep the details of his sex life and activities to themselves and thats all the Army expects out of all. Point out to me where it states in the regulation that only homosexuals are supposed to keep their sex lives to themselves.

Do you honestly think they have it written down that 'oh by the way it only applies to gays'? How am I supposed to show the lack of a similar rule for straights? You show me the law that says that a straight soldier talking about their sexuality is grounds for dismissal.

 

[Father Time]

If it is lifted and faggots start getting beat up and cohesion in the military units are in disarray the Bass predicts ****** liberals like yourself is going to blame homophobia and not the the lifting DADT as the reason for the problems. DADT is not going to get lifted anytime soon, there is much to evaluate and much that has to be done before it is lifted.

What did I tell you, doomsday scenarios.

Oh and isn't it great how the Bass says that a lot of soldiers are brutes who can't help but assault their fellow troops just for being gay.

I however do not think so lowly of our troops, I would hope that most of them aren't asshole thugs.

What is your personal experience with soldiers? If my soldiers object to the idea of sharing showers and barracks rooms with someone who is gay because they can't trust that the person maybe eyeing them they're bad homophobes for feeling that way. Don't ever refer to my soldiers as thugs because you don't my soldiers or any soldiers at all for that matter. Until you put on the uniform you will never understand why forbidding gays from serving openly in the right thing to do, at least for their sakes. and the sake of unit cohesion.

If someone beats someone up only for being gay they are a thug (and an asshole), period.

And explain to me why forbidding gays is the right thing to do.

 

[Father Time]

I have one problem with Gays in the military. It goes as follows.

Say that I am a soldier. I am straight and therefore when I take a shower, It is like showering iwth a bunch of ugly gorillas.

On the other hand, let a gay male take a shower with the rest of the soldiers--it is like parting at a strip club every night--for free--the government is paying him.


See the problem. Homosexuals will have R&R while a straight grunt linke me will not. That is totally unfair. We straights want eye candy as well, so why not make the barracks co-ed??


That is right!! mixed sex barracks, mixed sex showers and mixed sex training!! Why not? Are you sexist! A prude. It is only fair--what do you think?

The idea that most women or gay men would even get in a shower with you is hilarious.

keep IT coming. oops! poor choice of words.

this belongs in the Lame Zone

If gays do openly serve they will be in showers with straights, they may not have a problem being around straight men but straight men would sure as damn hell have a problem with it, you can count me as one of them.

We have a simple solution to that called shower curtains.

 

[SFC Ollie]

The idea that most women or gay men would even get in a shower with you is hilarious.

keep IT coming. oops! poor choice of words.

this belongs in the Lame Zone

If gays do openly serve they will be in showers with straights, they may not have a problem being around straight men but straight men would sure as damn hell have a problem with it, you can count me as one of them.

We have a simple solution to that called shower curtains.

Oh yes, shower curtains.... Lets tell all the women that they no longer have their own showers but must share the shower room with the men. but don't worry we put up some shower curtains.... You are funny. What do you think the womens reaction would be?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The idea that most women or gay men would even get in a shower with you is hilarious.

keep IT coming. oops! poor choice of words.

this belongs in the Lame Zone

If gays do openly serve they will be in showers with straights, they may not have a problem being around straight men but straight men would sure as damn hell have a problem with it, you can count me as one of them.

We have a simple solution to that called shower curtains.

You must really think the military is like college, there are no communal showers with curtains in open showers, otherwise they wouldn't be open and you can't put them in, you gay loving libtards think everything is so simple a fix for the military, especially people like you who have no current or prior military service.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

The military cannot guarantee that if gays and straights are in a communal open shower that gays will not at someone's butt in a sexual suggestive manner and this goes back to that trust issue, no one is going to trust the faggots, even when they claim they will not look and have no desire to.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Faggots claim not to look at the butts and bodies of straight men, but this is refuted by the fact that for example, 50% of the readers of Playgirl magazine are faggots when the magazine's intended audience is heterosexual women. Taking this into account, who's to say that these same faggots will not look at the butts and bodies of straight men in communal showers, eventhough they and their *** loving supporters claim that faggots have no desire to do so?

 

[Father Time]

If gays do openly serve they will be in showers with straights, they may not have a problem being around straight men but straight men would sure as damn hell have a problem with it, you can count me as one of them.

We have a simple solution to that called shower curtains.

You must really think the military is like college, there are no communal showers with curtains in open showers, otherwise they wouldn't be open and you can't put them in, you gay loving libtards think everything is so simple a fix for the military, especially people like you who have no current or prior military service.

It can't be that hard to install curtains or walls.

 

[Father Time]

Also Bass your obsession with anal is unhealthy seek some help or at least a male prostitute.

 

[ACG22]

What the posters using the "what about the showers" line of debate seem to be forgetting, though, is that there are obviously currently gays in the military that you don't know about. They are already demonstrating restraint, and I doubt much would change if DADT were removed. What's truly funny is that you say that DADT should remain because, if many of them found out, the "super machos" wouldn't be able to demonstrate the same level of restraint and treat them as humans. Hypocrisy? The military got past previous integrations of minorities; this is no different.

If for no other reason, though, look at the effect it has had? How can you justify an almost 3-fold increase in discharges since the DADT was implemented? Combine that with needing to lower standards for admission in order to achieve recruiting goals and it seems like our military is persisting with a failure and harming themselves in the process.

The military should be a reflection of our society's values overall. Otherwise, what is it fighting for anyway?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Also Bass your obsession with anal is unhealthy seek some help or at least a male prostitute.

Faggots are the ones obsessed with anal, not the Bass, you should think about that first before making such dumb comments, then again why aren't you telling faggots that their obsession with anal is unhealthy? Hypocrite!

 

[Father Time]

Also Bass your obsession with anal is unhealthy seek some help or at least a male prostitute.

Faggots are the ones obsessed with anal, not the Bass, you should think about that first before making such dumb comments, then again why aren't you telling faggots that their obsession with anal is unhealthy? Hypocrite!

Dude the gay posters here don't post about anal as much as you.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Also Bass your obsession with anal is unhealthy seek some help or at least a male prostitute.

Faggots are the ones obsessed with anal, not the Bass, you should think about that first before making such dumb comments, then again why aren't you telling faggots that their obsession with anal is unhealthy? Hypocrite!

Dude the gay posters here don't post about anal as much as you.

The gay posters really engage in anal pounding, the Bass doesn't so who has the real problem with anal, faggots, or a straight married man who condemns homosexuality?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

waiting

Awe, the poor baby Commander got his feelings hurt and negged me. Is that your cyber version of a Captains mast?

I don't see what is so difficult, you knew that you had sailors who were Gay, You were an Officer, and you did not follow up on regulations. You broke the regulations by allowing them to go unchallenged.

10 U.S.C. § 654, Policy concerning homosexuality in the Armed Forces

DoD Directive 1332.14, Enlisted Administrative Separation

MILPERSMAN 1910-148 Separation by Reason of Homosexual Conduct

NAVADMIN 291/99, Continuing Guidance Concerning Proper Application of DoD Homosexual Conduct Policy

ADMIN 094/00 Homosexual Conduct Policy and Training Requirements


Take your pick SIR! (put a little slur n that sir, Nam grunts might understand it) And my bet is that you also knew this before DADT. God only knows how many regs were broken then.

Now pass some rep around and neg me again, You broke the ******* regs.

The first one, is a POLICY that states if you have absolute physical proof that someone has committed homosexual acts, then you have to discharge them. However, if you have SUSPICIONS that the individual is gay, you cannot ask, and they cannot tell you, until AFTER there is physical proof (i.e. photographs or eyewitnesses).

MILPERSMAN? Ollie, do you realize what that book is? It's the Military Personnel Manual, which lays out the procedures for ALL discharges. That one just happens to discuss what the procedures are after proof has been retrieved. It tells you what to put on the DD214.

The other ones are re-iterating what the policies are. You can discharge if you have physical proof, but if it's only suspicion, then you can't ask and they don't have to tell.

Incidentally, one of the things that is required prior to being separated? You have to be interviewed by a shrink to determine if you really are gay.

Way to go Army Bag Girl Ollie......you've shown yet again what a pompous ass you are.

Incidentally, what the **** is some ground pounding delivery boy gonna really know about the Navy anyway? You stated the deck of a carrier isn't dangerous because you landed on one ONCE in a Blackhawk. There was where I first knew you were dumber than a bag of bricks.

This thread? Just keeps polishing that fucked up image. BTW Olliver Pissed, does the Army think it's okay for someone who is retired (and thereby still in), to disrespect a retired CDR?

I guess the Army has no discipline or military bearing if you're the poster boy for them here.

Glad I didn't join your fucked up service.........respect for my superiors is something I've had since I was a kid.

Apparently you missed that class........

Hell I don't have to be in the Navy or any other service for that matter to know that the deck of an aircraft carrier is a VERY dangerous place. I can't believe Ollie said it wasn't. My Gawd what a dope.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Also Bass your obsession with anal is unhealthy seek some help or at least a male prostitute.

Faggots are the ones obsessed with anal, not the Bass, you should think about that first before making such dumb comments, then again why aren't you telling faggots that their obsession with anal is unhealthy? Hypocrite!

You are the most HOMO obsessed person on this entire board maybe the entire internet. You really need help because your obsession leads MANY here to believe you are a self LOATHING homosexual. You are WAY more interested in the anuses of gay men then gay men are.

 

[SFC Ollie]

What the posters using the "what about the showers" line of debate seem to be forgetting, though, is that there are obviously currently gays in the military that you don't know about. They are already demonstrating restraint, and I doubt much would change if DADT were removed. What's truly funny is that you say that DADT should remain because, if many of them found out, the "super machos" wouldn't be able to demonstrate the same level of restraint and treat them as humans. Hypocrisy? The military got past previous integrations of minorities; this is no different.

If for no other reason, though, look at the effect it has had? How can you justify an almost 3-fold increase in discharges since the DADT was implemented? Combine that with needing to lower standards for admission in order to achieve recruiting goals and it seems like our military is persisting with a failure and harming themselves in the process.

The military should be a reflection of our society's values overall. Otherwise, what is it fighting for anyway?

As small as our military is today there is no way we ever should have had problems recruiting. I don't know who to blame it on but dropping DADT will not assist in it. I have some Ideas who to blame but I'll be nice.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Awe, the poor baby Commander got his feelings hurt and negged me. Is that your cyber version of a Captains mast?

I don't see what is so difficult, you knew that you had sailors who were Gay, You were an Officer, and you did not follow up on regulations. You broke the regulations by allowing them to go unchallenged.

10 U.S.C. § 654, Policy concerning homosexuality in the Armed Forces

DoD Directive 1332.14, Enlisted Administrative Separation

MILPERSMAN 1910-148 Separation by Reason of Homosexual Conduct

NAVADMIN 291/99, Continuing Guidance Concerning Proper Application of DoD Homosexual Conduct Policy

ADMIN 094/00 Homosexual Conduct Policy and Training Requirements


Take your pick SIR! (put a little slur n that sir, Nam grunts might understand it) And my bet is that you also knew this before DADT. God only knows how many regs were broken then.

Now pass some rep around and neg me again, You broke the ******* regs.

The first one, is a POLICY that states if you have absolute physical proof that someone has committed homosexual acts, then you have to discharge them. However, if you have SUSPICIONS that the individual is gay, you cannot ask, and they cannot tell you, until AFTER there is physical proof (i.e. photographs or eyewitnesses).

MILPERSMAN? Ollie, do you realize what that book is? It's the Military Personnel Manual, which lays out the procedures for ALL discharges. That one just happens to discuss what the procedures are after proof has been retrieved. It tells you what to put on the DD214.

The other ones are re-iterating what the policies are. You can discharge if you have physical proof, but if it's only suspicion, then you can't ask and they don't have to tell.

Incidentally, one of the things that is required prior to being separated? You have to be interviewed by a shrink to determine if you really are gay.

Way to go Army Bag Girl Ollie......you've shown yet again what a pompous ass you are.

Incidentally, what the **** is some ground pounding delivery boy gonna really know about the Navy anyway? You stated the deck of a carrier isn't dangerous because you landed on one ONCE in a Blackhawk. There was where I first knew you were dumber than a bag of bricks.

This thread? Just keeps polishing that fucked up image. BTW Olliver Pissed, does the Army think it's okay for someone who is retired (and thereby still in), to disrespect a retired CDR?

I guess the Army has no discipline or military bearing if you're the poster boy for them here.

Glad I didn't join your fucked up service.........respect for my superiors is something I've had since I was a kid.

Apparently you missed that class........

Hell I don't have to be in the Navy or any other service for that matter to know that the deck of an aircraft carrier is a VERY dangerous place. I can't believe Ollie said it wasn't. My Gawd what a dope.

I never said that, Are you as stupid as gaybikerbitch?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

See the problem. Homosexuals will have R&R while a straight grunt linke me will not. That is totally unfair.

Don't worry about it, I'm fairly certain most homosexuals would find it horrifying to be surrounded by a bunch of homophobes in a shower - naked or not.