Gang shootings in Britain are escalating...but, they banned and confiscated guns, right?

[ph3iron]

We ban classes of firearms.

What guns do we ban? I am aware of no federal bans at the moment

The UK has effectively banned handguns, any semiautomatic rifle of a caliber greater than .22 rim fire , and have ridiculous restrictions on shotguns

The US has effectively banned machine guns, and grenades, and some states have outright banned certain other guns. The UK has a tiny amount of gun related deaths.

Machine guns are NOT banned. Anyone who passes the background check can get a permit. And grenades are not firearms.

We have no federal gun bans

The yearly U.K. Gun deaths May be up to a weekend in Memphis before we know it

So what?

The point that sailed right over your head was that the UK gun laws did not reduce their murder rates in fact their murder rates actually went up after the gun laws and gun bans.

There are far more variables that account for the differences in the UK and the US murder rates than just guns and gun laws.

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

 

[Skull Pilot]

What guns do we ban? I am aware of no federal bans at the moment

The UK has effectively banned handguns, any semiautomatic rifle of a caliber greater than .22 rim fire , and have ridiculous restrictions on shotguns

The US has effectively banned machine guns, and grenades, and some states have outright banned certain other guns. The UK has a tiny amount of gun related deaths.

Machine guns are NOT banned. Anyone who passes the background check can get a permit. And grenades are not firearms.

We have no federal gun bans

The yearly U.K. Gun deaths May be up to a weekend in Memphis before we know it

So what?

The point that sailed right over your head was that the UK gun laws did not reduce their murder rates in fact their murder rates actually went up after the gun laws and gun bans.

There are far more variables that account for the differences in the UK and the US murder rates than just guns and gun laws.

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

I've said this over and over.

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK as far back as I can find.

But all their gun laws gun bans etc did nothing to lower their murder rate.
The so called assault weapon ban in this country was allowed to expire because that gun ban had absolutely no effect on our murder rate.

Our murder rate has been on an overall decline for the last 3 decades and is really only as high as it is due to a handful of ultra violent urban shit holes

There are far more variables that contribute to the differences in murder rates between the UK and the US than just guns or gun laws.

Only simpletons think such a complex issue is due to guns and guns alone

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

It's not guns moron, it's "diversity." As their non native population increases, so will the violence. It's a lesson whites can't seem to learn.

 

[ph3iron]

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

It's not guns moron, it's "diversity." As their non native population increases, so will the violence. It's a lesson whites can't seem to learn.

Moron?
No college?
Are you seriously saying guns have nothing to do with it?
So their rates are way less than ours because they have fewer blacks?
Not because they have no guns?
Tell th latest white boy school shooter

 

[ph3iron]

The US has effectively banned machine guns, and grenades, and some states have outright banned certain other guns. The UK has a tiny amount of gun related deaths.

Machine guns are NOT banned. Anyone who passes the background check can get a permit. And grenades are not firearms.

We have no federal gun bans

The yearly U.K. Gun deaths May be up to a weekend in Memphis before we know it

So what?

The point that sailed right over your head was that the UK gun laws did not reduce their murder rates in fact their murder rates actually went up after the gun laws and gun bans.

There are far more variables that account for the differences in the UK and the US murder rates than just guns and gun laws.

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

I've said this over and over.

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK as far back as I can find.

But all their gun laws gun bans etc did nothing to lower their murder rate.
The so called assault weapon ban in this country was allowed to expire because that gun ban had absolutely no effect on our murder rate.

Our murder rate has been on an overall decline for the last 3 decades and is really only as high as it is due to a handful of ultra violent urban shit holes

There are far more variables that contribute to the differences in murder rates between the UK and the US than just guns or gun laws.

Only simpletons think such a complex issue is due to guns and guns alone

I didn't say it was guns alone. Read my post
My theory is we were founded by convicts / immigrants who are naturally more aggressive
If we agree guns are just one factor, what do you think are the others?
Being hoarded into shit holes by Jim Crow?
Blacks have more violent genes than our slave owner ancestors??

 

[August West]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

 

[ph3iron]

And the Kentucky white

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

And our kentucky white boy school school shooter?
Dangerous game to pick and choose white boy USA shootings
Many dozen every week?
Uncomplicated? It took me 6 years to prove there was 3 different molecules In chloroform.
So why do you think the USA has way more gun deaths than the uk?
All I'm saying is guns are a part of it.
It would be interesting to compare deaths by white USA boys with uk boys

 

[Skull Pilot]

Machine guns are NOT banned. Anyone who passes the background check can get a permit. And grenades are not firearms.

We have no federal gun bans

The yearly U.K. Gun deaths May be up to a weekend in Memphis before we know it

So what?

The point that sailed right over your head was that the UK gun laws did not reduce their murder rates in fact their murder rates actually went up after the gun laws and gun bans.

There are far more variables that account for the differences in the UK and the US murder rates than just guns and gun laws.

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

I've said this over and over.

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK as far back as I can find.

But all their gun laws gun bans etc did nothing to lower their murder rate.
The so called assault weapon ban in this country was allowed to expire because that gun ban had absolutely no effect on our murder rate.

Our murder rate has been on an overall decline for the last 3 decades and is really only as high as it is due to a handful of ultra violent urban shit holes

There are far more variables that contribute to the differences in murder rates between the UK and the US than just guns or gun laws.

Only simpletons think such a complex issue is due to guns and guns alone

I didn't say it was guns alone. Read my post
My theory is we were founded by convicts / immigrants who are naturally more aggressive
If we agree guns are just one factor, what do you think are the others?
Being hoarded into shit holes by Jim Crow?
Blacks have more violent genes than our slave owner ancestors??

I really don't care why there are different murder rates between the US and the UK but yes there are very complex social, economic, historical and political dynamics that all contribute to the differences.

And I don't agree that guns are a factor because gun laws gun bans etc have not lowered murder rates in any country after they were passed

 

[BULLDOG]

The US has effectively banned machine guns, and grenades, and some states have outright banned certain other guns. The UK has a tiny amount of gun related deaths.

Machine guns are NOT banned. Anyone who passes the background check can get a permit. And grenades are not firearms.

We have no federal gun bans

The yearly U.K. Gun deaths May be up to a weekend in Memphis before we know it

So what?

The point that sailed right over your head was that the UK gun laws did not reduce their murder rates in fact their murder rates actually went up after the gun laws and gun bans.

There are far more variables that account for the differences in the UK and the US murder rates than just guns and gun laws.

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

I've said this over and over.

Our murder rate has always been higher than the UK as far back as I can find.

But all their gun laws gun bans etc did nothing to lower their murder rate.
The so called assault weapon ban in this country was allowed to expire because that gun ban had absolutely no effect on our murder rate.

Our murder rate has been on an overall decline for the last 3 decades and is really only as high as it is due to a handful of ultra violent urban shit holes

There are far more variables that contribute to the differences in murder rates between the UK and the US than just guns or gun laws.

Only simpletons think such a complex issue is due to guns and guns alone

Only a simpleton would believe the number of guns has nothing to do with it.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

You aren't very bright, are you. We have laws that already govern the legitimate use of guns the same way we have them for drugs.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail. If you buy, own or carry a gun as a felon, you go to jail. We have all the laws on the books we need to regulate guns...our problem is that people like you keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...

Lock up violent criminals for 30 years and the actual gun crime problem will go down to almost nothing...

Keep letting violent offenders out...and you get to push what you really want, gun control for law abiding people who don't use guns for crime...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


----------

John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

And on the other side of the ledger....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

And, of course....in 2016 there were 11,004 gun murders spurred on by obama and the democrats and their allies in black lives matter attacking the police....of those, 70-80% of the victims are other criminals...and of the remaining innocent victims they are a large part associated in some way with criminals when they are shot....

How many times a year do normal Americans use their guns to stop these violent criminals...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

And the Kentucky white

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

And our kentucky white boy school school shooter?
Dangerous game to pick and choose white boy USA shootings
Many dozen every week?
Uncomplicated? It took me 6 years to prove there was 3 different molecules In chloroform.
So why do you think the USA has way more gun deaths than the uk?
All I'm saying is guns are a part of it.
It would be interesting to compare deaths by white USA boys with uk boys

Our knife murder number is higher than their entire murder rate......our empty hand murder rate is higher than their total murder rate...

Our murder rate is higher because our country wasn't ravaged by World War 2, and our social welfare state destroyed our minority families much earlier than their social welfare culture was able to do it...but that is changing.....our young males raised by single teenage mothers are more likely to murder their victims and each other...

The British criminals have guns....as we see with the increasing rate of gun crime all over Britain, the difference is that their criminals do not commit murder with those guns....yet.......

 

[2aguy]

Their rates? They went up from 1 to 2?
are you seriously saying their rates are anywhere close to ours?
We were started by aggressive immigrants drowned in guns.
Wt do we expect?

It's not guns moron, it's "diversity." As their non native population increases, so will the violence. It's a lesson whites can't seem to learn.

Moron?
No college?
Are you seriously saying guns have nothing to do with it?
So their rates are way less than ours because they have fewer blacks?
Not because they have no guns?
Tell th latest white boy school shooter

Their culture kept their young males from committing murder.....our social welfare state took off in the 1960s....creating our violent crime increase through the 1990s....their culture, affected by World War 2...is now catching up....their young males are now starting to murder each other.....

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

Yep...still no answer to the basic question....

If a woman is about to be raped, tortured and murdered, you think it is better that she is raped, tortured and murdered in place of her being able to carry and use a gun to stop it.....

That you anti gunners never answer that question shows that you are cowards and refuse to embrace the truth or your position on law abiding, normal people fighting off violent monsters...

 

[BULLDOG]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

You aren't very bright, are you. We have laws that already govern the legitimate use of guns the same way we have them for drugs.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail. If you buy, own or carry a gun as a felon, you go to jail. We have all the laws on the books we need to regulate guns...our problem is that people like you keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...

Lock up violent criminals for 30 years and the actual gun crime problem will go down to almost nothing...

Keep letting violent offenders out...and you get to push what you really want, gun control for law abiding people who don't use guns for crime...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


----------

John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

How many of our mass shooters were felons, but were able to get the guns anyway? Obviously, your use of that talking point is just more effort to muddle the discussion

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

You aren't very bright, are you. We have laws that already govern the legitimate use of guns the same way we have them for drugs.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail. If you buy, own or carry a gun as a felon, you go to jail. We have all the laws on the books we need to regulate guns...our problem is that people like you keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...

Lock up violent criminals for 30 years and the actual gun crime problem will go down to almost nothing...

Keep letting violent offenders out...and you get to push what you really want, gun control for law abiding people who don't use guns for crime...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


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John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

How many of our mass shooters were felons, but were able to get the guns anyway? Obviously, your use of that talking point is just more effort to muddle the discussion

Almost zero. Mass shootings are different from criminal activity where multiple people are shot....please try to do some basic research. And those criminals are not going through the federally mandated background check that you need to pass to buy a gun....

In fact, your link to the shooting of those 5 people is likely criminal activity and not a mass public shooting....and odds are, the shooter or shooters are already felons, already banned from buying, owning or carrying the guns they used..

And the British criminals who are using guns are not able to buy them at stores...they are banned and confiscated on the island nation.....and yet they are getting them in increasing numbers...

 

[BULLDOG]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
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Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

You aren't very bright, are you. We have laws that already govern the legitimate use of guns the same way we have them for drugs.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail. If you buy, own or carry a gun as a felon, you go to jail. We have all the laws on the books we need to regulate guns...our problem is that people like you keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...

Lock up violent criminals for 30 years and the actual gun crime problem will go down to almost nothing...

Keep letting violent offenders out...and you get to push what you really want, gun control for law abiding people who don't use guns for crime...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


----------

John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

How many of our mass shooters were felons, but were able to get the guns anyway? Obviously, your use of that talking point is just more effort to muddle the discussion

Almost zero. Mass shootings are different from criminal activity where multiple people are shot....please try to do some basic research. And those criminals are not going through the federally mandated background check that you need to pass to buy a gun....

In fact, your link to the shooting of those 5 people is likely criminal activity and not a mass public shooting....and odds are, the shooter or shooters are already felons, already banned from buying, owning or carrying the guns they used..

And the British criminals who are using guns are not able to buy them at stores...they are banned and confiscated on the island nation.....and yet they are getting them in increasing numbers...

So a mass shooting isn't a criminal activity where multiple people are shot? Your head is overheating again. Better cool it off.
In Britain, crooks are reduced to renting guns to do their crimes. They can't just buy one from an individual without a background check. Why do you want to make it easier for crooks and crazy people to have guns?
Gun shortages forcing rival gangs to 'rent weapons from middlemen' | Daily Mail Online
Gun shortage forces gangs to take turns renting SAME weapons from middlemen

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

You aren't very bright, are you. We have laws that already govern the legitimate use of guns the same way we have them for drugs.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail. If you buy, own or carry a gun as a felon, you go to jail. We have all the laws on the books we need to regulate guns...our problem is that people like you keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...

Lock up violent criminals for 30 years and the actual gun crime problem will go down to almost nothing...

Keep letting violent offenders out...and you get to push what you really want, gun control for law abiding people who don't use guns for crime...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


----------

John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

How many of our mass shooters were felons, but were able to get the guns anyway? Obviously, your use of that talking point is just more effort to muddle the discussion

Almost zero. Mass shootings are different from criminal activity where multiple people are shot....please try to do some basic research. And those criminals are not going through the federally mandated background check that you need to pass to buy a gun....

In fact, your link to the shooting of those 5 people is likely criminal activity and not a mass public shooting....and odds are, the shooter or shooters are already felons, already banned from buying, owning or carrying the guns they used..

And the British criminals who are using guns are not able to buy them at stores...they are banned and confiscated on the island nation.....and yet they are getting them in increasing numbers...

So a mass shooting isn't a criminal activity where multiple people are shot? Your head is overheating again. Better cool it off.
In Britain, crooks are reduced to renting guns to do their crimes. They can't just buy one from an individual without a background check. Why do you want to make it easier for crooks and crazy people to have guns?
Gun shortages forcing rival gangs to 'rent weapons from middlemen' | Daily Mail Online
Gun shortage forces gangs to take turns renting SAME weapons from middlemen

Moron...our gangs do the same thing, the gang controls who gets the guns....the same thing. The FBI determines it moron....a mass public shooting is different than a gang shooting doofus....

And our criminals get around your background checks easily, they steal the guns or get a straw buyer....and our gun crime rate is going down, their gun crime rate, on an Island, where they banned guns...is going up....

 

[2aguy]

And here we have it....more gang shootings in the island nation that banned and confiscated guns.......

And before the anti gunners say....in a whiny voice..."But...But.....compare that to the U.S...."

They banned and confiscated guns.

They are an island nation, without easy accessible borders.

And their gun crime rate is going up....and their criminals are now starting to shoot to kill, they are not playing around anymore.

Surge in London gangland shootings as record 880 guns seized in a year

The number of gangland shootings in London has surged as criminals used weapons to intimidate rivals and settle disputes.

New statistics reveal “lethal barrel firearms discharges” in the capital rose by nearly 13 per cent in 2017. Police also seized a record number of guns.
——-
Detectives say they are also witnessing an increase in the number of linked shootings — most involving gangs firing weapons at rivals or their property.

They ban and confiscate heroin too. Is the heroin ban bad policy? Should they just sell heroin in the grocery stores because people are using it anyway? You`re a rather uncomplicated thinker are you not?
Meanwhile, another mass murder in Pa.
5 killed in shooting at car wash in Melcroft, Pennsylvania

You aren't very bright, are you. We have laws that already govern the legitimate use of guns the same way we have them for drugs.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, you go to jail. If you buy, own or carry a gun as a felon, you go to jail. We have all the laws on the books we need to regulate guns...our problem is that people like you keep letting the violent criminals out of jail...

Lock up violent criminals for 30 years and the actual gun crime problem will go down to almost nothing...

Keep letting violent offenders out...and you get to push what you really want, gun control for law abiding people who don't use guns for crime...

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


----------

John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

How many of our mass shooters were felons, but were able to get the guns anyway? Obviously, your use of that talking point is just more effort to muddle the discussion

Almost zero. Mass shootings are different from criminal activity where multiple people are shot....please try to do some basic research. And those criminals are not going through the federally mandated background check that you need to pass to buy a gun....

In fact, your link to the shooting of those 5 people is likely criminal activity and not a mass public shooting....and odds are, the shooter or shooters are already felons, already banned from buying, owning or carrying the guns they used..

And the British criminals who are using guns are not able to buy them at stores...they are banned and confiscated on the island nation.....and yet they are getting them in increasing numbers...

So a mass shooting isn't a criminal activity where multiple people are shot? Your head is overheating again. Better cool it off.
In Britain, crooks are reduced to renting guns to do their crimes. They can't just buy one from an individual without a background check. Why do you want to make it easier for crooks and crazy people to have guns?
Gun shortages forcing rival gangs to 'rent weapons from middlemen' | Daily Mail Online
Gun shortage forces gangs to take turns renting SAME weapons from middlemen

Dumb shit....your link is from 2010.....try keeping up.....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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