From Moscow with love

[Comrade Johnson]

Как всё запущено....

For non-Russian speakers: a senseless standard phrase without any meaning

Thanks for making your political position clear. At least it didn't take too long.

Really? I didn't say anything about my political positions

If you like, I can do it there:

Russian political Circus

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Apparently, he is so powerful that he even controls Russia's intelligence agencies.

Not really, they have difficulties even in controlling themselves

 

[Sbiker]

It's interesting. When I was in school, we started from Africa, learning USSR at higher grades But a lot of Russia territory is a territory of risk agriculture, so only 23% of land are acceptable to grow something.

If you look at demographics of Russia of XIX-XX centuries (Российская демография 19-21-го веков, как зеркало политики) - it's not a fact, Stalin was so terrible. In XIX-XX centuries Russia were exposed of aggression of, in fact, ALL EU countries FOUR times, in 1812 with Napoleon, in 1853 in Crimea (with European coalition), during WWI in 1918-1922 by enemies and former allies of Antanta and in 1941-1944 by Hitler. And in addition after cold war in 90x it was a terrible time of "democracy and western values", cost to Russia about another 15 million demographic losses... And, offcourse, I hope Putin would have enough cleverness to stay out of any new big war in future...

At age 12 we had to memorize all the Russian republics and their capitals. It was almost as bad as Mexico. There were lots.

From then on, in 8th Grade, and 12th Grade, we studied only the USA, same as you guys did. The idea was that the brainwashing was supposed to make us good non-communist voters.

Except for the Cold War, which was a Truman-Stalin abortion, the USA and Russia have always been allies. John Paul Jones our Navy hero even worked for Katherine The Great after the American Revolution.

And the purchase of Alaska and California from Russia was accomplished peacefully. I remember my Geography teacher saying, "Boy! I bet they wish they still had it now!!"

)) It's true - Russia and USA don't have any reasons to confrontation except ideology. And both have a lot to exchange.

About Alaska - it's just a joke, which becomes actual every time, western politicians barking, for example, about "reparations of occupation by Russia of Baltic countries", because this territories were bought from Sweden by Russian Empire like Alaska by US... In fact, Baltic countries owe to Russia about two millions of golden efimok

 

[Sbiker]

It seems, reasons of Putin to do nothing in Donbass (only performing humanitarian help) are understandable. Ukrainian and former-Ukrainian officials are too corrupted and could worsen situation in Russia, in case of merging. But it's not a humanistic strategy.

As for Obama - in spite of Nuland's cookies, I tend to think, Ukraine is EU project. Just to plunder it and get some money. Ukraine was too rich in comparison with neighbour EU members (like Romania, Bulgaria, Baltic countries and so on).

US had planes for Crimea - but Russia returned it first. It was a fair game, no whining allowed

I cannot believe Obama and the CIA were so stupid with Ukraine.

We have grizzly brown bears in Canada and Alaska too, same as Siberia.

If you walk up to one of these when he/she is sleeping and kick it, the bear will maul the crap out of you.

This is what Putin was compelled to do in Ukraine, when the CIA kicked him.

When the Ukraine events are started, Russian western mobile battle group was ready to invade at Ukraine to establish order. After Norman meeting Putin cancelled it and ordered to strategic nuclear forces to be in high alert. US role in Ukraine not so simple, it seems Obama or someone else are accurately sabotaged Hillary's activity there to prevent a probability of global nuclear conflict...
So, about Crimea - it's in fact Russian region by population and because we already had naval base there. If USA would really tried to own it, I'm afraid, it would be serious conflict with Crimea population.

 

[Sbiker]

I've visited about third of Russian territory and could remember it without any maps

Here in the USA if/when the kids go to a really good school they learn at the age of 12 in what we call 7th Grade (the 7th year of schooling beyond "pre-school") all the geographies of all the world.

It starts with the USA and all 50 states. Everyone needs to learn the major product of that state plus the state capitol, if they don't already know them.

Then the teachers move on, to the other countries.

North America (the rest of it) is usually first since it is closest.

Then South America.

Then Europe.

Then Asia.

Then Africa.

Then the Pacific island nations and Antarctica.

This all involves a lot of memorization. The kids need to use mnemonics to do it. But they get a good sense of where the 196 nations (plus or minus) are located, what their capital is, and what they produce.

Many of these nations have changed since I was a kid. But I think I know most of them still.

Russia has not changed but Soviet Asia has. But I know most of them as well now.

Russia is and always has been a very big place. I think of it as like a combination of Canada, the USA, and Mexico if all 3 were combined.

Almost infinite natural resources in Russia -- oil, gold, other precious metals, precious rare earth metals, timber, clean water (except around Chernobyl), fresh air.

I am surprised that there is not more development of the Russian wilderness. So much food could be grown there to feed the starving Africans!

I suppose that the past 100 years of cold war and communism has detracted from further development. Stalin was a plague upon Russia for a long time.

I hope that Putin does not get distracted by a new cold war. But if he does it is due to the CIA and to Obama's blunders in a job that was too big for him to do right, internationally.

The only hope for the world right now is that Trump and Putin get along and don't go further road of cold war.

It's interesting. When I was in school, we started from Africa, learning USSR at higher grades But a lot of Russia territory is a territory of risk agriculture, so only 23% of land are acceptable to grow something.

If you look at demographics of Russia of XIX-XX centuries (Российская демография 19-21-го веков, как зеркало политики) - it's not a fact, Stalin was so terrible. In XIX-XX centuries Russia were exposed of aggression of, in fact, ALL EU countries FOUR times, in 1812 with Napoleon, in 1853 in Crimea (with European coalition), during WWI in 1918-1922 by enemies and former allies of Antanta and in 1941-1944 by Hitler. And in addition after cold war in 90x it was a terrible time of "democracy and western values", cost to Russia about another 15 million demographic losses... And, offcourse, I hope Putin would have enough cleverness to stay out of any new big war in future...

Whoa geeze. I know you don't take me for a fool my friend and.............................

Putin is waiting for the USA to make the move. Think. Think hard. It is the west who have made all the moves towards the nuclear deal.

Let's see historical perspective. When the Gorbachev agreed to find compromise in nuclear deal and fix the border between NATo and Warsaw block in Germany.... NATO received all Gorbachev's sacrifices to peace process, then claims own "victory" and performed, in fact, aggression to expand NATO for a many countries on East. So, Russia now is excelently understand, there are no arguments to speak with NATO except force. Why do you surprised, Russia knows the real value of all this "peace movies"? Look at map, there are no Russian war "advisers" in Canada, but US "advisers" at Ukraine.

 

[yiostheoy]

It seems, reasons of Putin to do nothing in Donbass (only performing humanitarian help) are understandable. Ukrainian and former-Ukrainian officials are too corrupted and could worsen situation in Russia, in case of merging. But it's not a humanistic strategy.

As for Obama - in spite of Nuland's cookies, I tend to think, Ukraine is EU project. Just to plunder it and get some money. Ukraine was too rich in comparison with neighbour EU members (like Romania, Bulgaria, Baltic countries and so on).

US had planes for Crimea - but Russia returned it first. It was a fair game, no whining allowed

I cannot believe Obama and the CIA were so stupid with Ukraine.

We have grizzly brown bears in Canada and Alaska too, same as Siberia.

If you walk up to one of these when he/she is sleeping and kick it, the bear will maul the crap out of you.

This is what Putin was compelled to do in Ukraine, when the CIA kicked him.

When the Ukraine events are started, Russian western mobile battle group was ready to invade at Ukraine to establish order. After Norman meeting Putin cancelled it and ordered to strategic nuclear forces to be in high alert. US role in Ukraine not so simple, it seems Obama or someone else are accurately sabotaged Hillary's activity there to prevent a probability of global nuclear conflict...
So, about Crimea - it's in fact Russian region by population and because we already had naval base there. If USA would really tried to own it, I'm afraid, it would be serious conflict with Crimea population.

Crimea is for Russia what Norfolk is for the USN.

Obama's and Hillary's ineptitude internationally was a clown show in Libya and Syria. It is no wonder that Uncle Vlad helped Trump.

Incompetence is very hard to predict.

Competence is predictable.

 

[Sbiker]

It seems, reasons of Putin to do nothing in Donbass (only performing humanitarian help) are understandable. Ukrainian and former-Ukrainian officials are too corrupted and could worsen situation in Russia, in case of merging. But it's not a humanistic strategy.

As for Obama - in spite of Nuland's cookies, I tend to think, Ukraine is EU project. Just to plunder it and get some money. Ukraine was too rich in comparison with neighbour EU members (like Romania, Bulgaria, Baltic countries and so on).

US had planes for Crimea - but Russia returned it first. It was a fair game, no whining allowed

I cannot believe Obama and the CIA were so stupid with Ukraine.

We have grizzly brown bears in Canada and Alaska too, same as Siberia.

If you walk up to one of these when he/she is sleeping and kick it, the bear will maul the crap out of you.

This is what Putin was compelled to do in Ukraine, when the CIA kicked him.

When the Ukraine events are started, Russian western mobile battle group was ready to invade at Ukraine to establish order. After Norman meeting Putin cancelled it and ordered to strategic nuclear forces to be in high alert. US role in Ukraine not so simple, it seems Obama or someone else are accurately sabotaged Hillary's activity there to prevent a probability of global nuclear conflict...
So, about Crimea - it's in fact Russian region by population and because we already had naval base there. If USA would really tried to own it, I'm afraid, it would be serious conflict with Crimea population.

Crimea is for Russia what Norfolk is for the USN.

Obama's and Hillary's ineptitude internationally was a clown show in Libya and Syria. It is no wonder that Uncle Vlad helped Trump.

Incompetence is very hard to predict.

Competence is predictable.

I'm 200% agree with you. The MAIN problem of all world politics - is incompetence. Offcourse, different people and countries in world have different interests and ready to struggle for them. But world is too small for humankind now, we have to keep rules, single to all. Conflict is a reason to progress, to evolution... to socialism or wellfare state, at last - because fighting elites needs people to upkeep But for following rules politic players must be enoght competent... How could we elect specialists of politics instead actors?

 

[Muhammed]

Apparently, he is so powerful that he even controls Russia's intelligence agencies.

Not really, they have difficulties even in controlling themselves

So how did Trump make Russia steal the election for him? Any thoughts about that?

The vast majority of the Democrat party in the USA thinks that Donald Trump's puny teeny tiny wittle hands wielded magnificent influence over top-secret Russian intelligence agencies, thus forcing weirdos to vote for BERNIE!

And PROTEST!

At the DNC convention. The election was fixed for Hillary. Bernie delegates literally walked out on the DND convention.

 

[Sbiker]

Apparently, he is so powerful that he even controls Russia's intelligence agencies.

Not really, they have difficulties even in controlling themselves

So how did Trump make Russia steal the election for him? Any thoughts about that?

The vast majority of the Democrat party in the USA thinks that Donald Trump's puny teeny tiny wittle hands wielded magnificent influence over top-secret Russian intelligence agencies, thus forcing weirdos to vote for BERNIE!

And PROTEST!

At the DNC convention. The election was fixed for Hillary. Bernie delegates literally walked out on the DND convention.

Which baseball team in US do you support?

How do you steal points for them during National Cup?

 

[yiostheoy]

It seems, reasons of Putin to do nothing in Donbass (only performing humanitarian help) are understandable. Ukrainian and former-Ukrainian officials are too corrupted and could worsen situation in Russia, in case of merging. But it's not a humanistic strategy.

As for Obama - in spite of Nuland's cookies, I tend to think, Ukraine is EU project. Just to plunder it and get some money. Ukraine was too rich in comparison with neighbour EU members (like Romania, Bulgaria, Baltic countries and so on).

US had planes for Crimea - but Russia returned it first. It was a fair game, no whining allowed

I cannot believe Obama and the CIA were so stupid with Ukraine.

We have grizzly brown bears in Canada and Alaska too, same as Siberia.

If you walk up to one of these when he/she is sleeping and kick it, the bear will maul the crap out of you.

This is what Putin was compelled to do in Ukraine, when the CIA kicked him.

When the Ukraine events are started, Russian western mobile battle group was ready to invade at Ukraine to establish order. After Norman meeting Putin cancelled it and ordered to strategic nuclear forces to be in high alert. US role in Ukraine not so simple, it seems Obama or someone else are accurately sabotaged Hillary's activity there to prevent a probability of global nuclear conflict...
So, about Crimea - it's in fact Russian region by population and because we already had naval base there. If USA would really tried to own it, I'm afraid, it would be serious conflict with Crimea population.

Crimea is for Russia what Norfolk is for the USN.

Obama's and Hillary's ineptitude internationally was a clown show in Libya and Syria. It is no wonder that Uncle Vlad helped Trump.

Incompetence is very hard to predict.

Competence is predictable.

I'm 200% agree with you. The MAIN problem of all world politics - is incompetence. Offcourse, different people and countries in world have different interests and ready to struggle for them. But world is too small for humankind now, we have to keep rules, single to all. Conflict is a reason to progress, to evolution... to socialism or wellfare state, at last - because fighting elites needs people to upkeep But for following rules politic players must be enoght competent... How could we elect specialists of politics instead actors?

JFK was incompetent for over-reacting to Khrushchev's missile shipment to Cuba.

Khrushchev's shipment was in reprisal for Kennedy deploying nuclear missiles to Italy and Turkey.

Luckily Khrushchev backed down, otherwise the two opposing fleets in the Caribbean would have started a shooting war.

JFK was propagandized as a hero when in reality he had been just as inept as "W" Bush or Obama and even more so almost got everybody in Russia and in the USA killed.

Khrushchev lost his job to early retirement and was quietly replaced by Kosygin.

Kosygin focused on Eastern Europe during his time in office, which is apparently what Putin is doing as well in Ukraine.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Sbiker, do you really think that your speculations about Putin, Ukriane and Kosygin belong this thread?

 

[Sbiker]

It seems, reasons of Putin to do nothing in Donbass (only performing humanitarian help) are understandable. Ukrainian and former-Ukrainian officials are too corrupted and could worsen situation in Russia, in case of merging. But it's not a humanistic strategy.

As for Obama - in spite of Nuland's cookies, I tend to think, Ukraine is EU project. Just to plunder it and get some money. Ukraine was too rich in comparison with neighbour EU members (like Romania, Bulgaria, Baltic countries and so on).

US had planes for Crimea - but Russia returned it first. It was a fair game, no whining allowed

I cannot believe Obama and the CIA were so stupid with Ukraine.

We have grizzly brown bears in Canada and Alaska too, same as Siberia.

If you walk up to one of these when he/she is sleeping and kick it, the bear will maul the crap out of you.

This is what Putin was compelled to do in Ukraine, when the CIA kicked him.

When the Ukraine events are started, Russian western mobile battle group was ready to invade at Ukraine to establish order. After Norman meeting Putin cancelled it and ordered to strategic nuclear forces to be in high alert. US role in Ukraine not so simple, it seems Obama or someone else are accurately sabotaged Hillary's activity there to prevent a probability of global nuclear conflict...
So, about Crimea - it's in fact Russian region by population and because we already had naval base there. If USA would really tried to own it, I'm afraid, it would be serious conflict with Crimea population.

Crimea is for Russia what Norfolk is for the USN.

Obama's and Hillary's ineptitude internationally was a clown show in Libya and Syria. It is no wonder that Uncle Vlad helped Trump.

Incompetence is very hard to predict.

Competence is predictable.

I'm 200% agree with you. The MAIN problem of all world politics - is incompetence. Offcourse, different people and countries in world have different interests and ready to struggle for them. But world is too small for humankind now, we have to keep rules, single to all. Conflict is a reason to progress, to evolution... to socialism or wellfare state, at last - because fighting elites needs people to upkeep But for following rules politic players must be enoght competent... How could we elect specialists of politics instead actors?

JFK was incompetent for over-reacting to Khrushchev's missile shipment to Cuba.

Khrushchev's shipment was in reprisal for Kennedy deploying nuclear missiles to Italy and Turkey.

Luckily Khrushchev backed down, otherwise the two opposing fleets in the Caribbean would have started a shooting war.

JFK was propagandized as a hero when in reality he had been just as inept as "W" Bush or Obama and even more so almost got everybody in Russia and in the USA killed.

Khrushchev lost his job to early retirement and was quietly replaced by Kosygin.

Kosygin focused on Eastern Europe during his time in office, which is apparently what Putin is doing as well in Ukraine.

Khrushev made a lot of nonsenses in internal politics. He started "struggle against cult of Stalin", created much legends about Stalin's repression... In fact - Khrushev was a PERFORMER of many repressions, attributed to Stalin.

In Moscow Khrushev formed a "murder lists", which Stalin edited, deleted people from them... Economic disasters, attributed to Stalin, were also performed by Khrushev. He's eliminated all small business in USSR, which existed and grew under Stalin's rule.

Was the Khrushev an evil man? I don't think so, he was really incompetent but too greedy to power. And all competent comrades, like Beria (who stopped the repressions in 1938 year and ruled nuclear and space projects for USSR), were silently eliminated by Khrushev with forged "judgement". Analysing all documents and evidences, it seems Beria wasn't officially judged, but was murdered before it at his home...

About Kosygin and Brezhnev... It was strange epochue. Evolution of USSR was really slowed, till full stop... but thanks to Brezhnev, we have now enough gas and oil to upkeep our broken economics from full Armageddon

 

[Comrade Johnson]

From Moscow with love

 

[Sbiker]

Sbiker, do you really think that your speculations about Putin, Ukriane and Kosygin belong this thread?

Forget your wild liberal habits and use term "point of view" instead of "speculations" Maybe, this topic is not belong to this thread, but no doubts - belong to all forum If you don't want discussion of any topic in this thread, just say about it, and we'll continue in another thread - it's not hard to do it.

 

[defcon4]

Vladimir Putin is the greatest Russian since Peter the Great, who was also a little rough along the edges.

I wouldn't say that he is that great, but he has some brains in his head, unlike all other Russian politicians
Actually he is not a politician, he is a KGB officer.

Former KGB officer, no? The KGB is defunct anymore, I would think. Did you know that the older Bush was the head if the C.I.A before he became the President of the U.S.? I just mention it to illustrate that intelligence service has nothing to do with presidency.

 

[defcon4]

Next year Russia is making her choice again (has a presidential election), so it’s time for those whose program is “Russia without Putin” to get really active.

And what's wrong with it? Does everybody support Poroshenko in your country?

Russia is my one and only Motherland.

It seems from your posts that you have not even been here. Did you try to get Russian citizenship? So far you a Ukrainian separatist.

There is a concept of “Russian World” (Russky Mir), it means all the Russians in Russia and abroad. Never heard about it, Comrade?

Yeah, Nazi bullshit.

And BTW, did I ask for your advice, Comrade?

I don't need any invitations on it : ) Did I ask you for your posts?

Nationals living outside of their mother country's borders are still nationals of their mother country, no? Jus sanguinis.

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Forget your wild liberal habits and use term "point of view" instead of "speculations"

I know that you are crazy about liberals, but what you are writing here is not a 'point of view'

If you don't want discussion of any topic in this thread

I don't care, it was just a question

In such things I am a liberal indeed and you can write any nonsense you want, anywhere you want

Former KGB officer, no? The KGB is defunct anymore, I would think.

There is no such a thing as a 'former KGB officer'

Ask Sbiker if don't believe me

And everything is OK with the KGB, they just have a bit different name.

 

[Sbiker]

Forget your wild liberal habits and use term "point of view" instead of "speculations"

I know that you are crazy about liberals, but what you are writing here is not a 'point of view'

Because you consider, there are only two point of views - yours and wrong? Excellent

 

[Comrade Johnson]

Because you consider, there are only two point of views - yours and wrong? Excellent

What a strange thing to say . Of course, not. There are many points of vew and even more people who love to talk about things they haven't a faintest notion of

You confused me with Stratford - for him there are two points of vew, his and enemy's

 

[Sbiker]

Because you consider, there are only two point of views - yours and wrong? Excellent

What a strange thing to say . Of course, not. There are many points of vew and even more people who love to talk about things they haven't a faintest notion of

You confused me with Stratford - for him there are two points of vew, his and enemy's

But my point of view is just "speculations" for you... Why? Because I'm from province of Russia?