French call for stronger EU to keep America in check

[padisha emperor]

Wolvie, be sure that France doesn't hate USA, the french people don't like Bush. Not the country.
And the people who hate USA because they hate Bush are dumbs.

For the record of modern war....France was engaged in Gulf, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Lebanon............DOn't know for the record, but I know that the french army is really good.
And please for the last time, don't imagine that french are "surrender monkeys".
The reading of an History Books from 496 to 2004 will show to you that your opinion about our army is wrong.


Nevermind, the idea of a war between America and Europe......wow......don"t you think that afetr that, the terrorists will have the most awesome opportunity to rule the world by terror or at least a large part of it ? if two of his adversory make a war, it will be easy : terrorism will wait, and hit the inner, who will be more weak than ever after a such conflict.

And the valours are the same between Europe and You, except some things......
Since 1945, the european countries did not war between us - I speak of western Europe, France, UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Belgium, ^portugal, Netherlands...............


France and US are cold today. Bad relationship.
But look at Germany and France : war from the XVIIIth c. to 1945, now, best friends.
France and UK : war from 1066 to 1815(peace in 1904), now good friends, or at least not ennemy, nad friends without the Irak crisis.

I think that France and UAS will be friends again.

 

[no1tovote4]

I don't doubt that France and the US are still friends even today. In your life have you had no friend that you had an out with? :huh:

I would find it amazing if you always agreed with your friends. And just as you don't always agree with your friends you do not always take their advice either. So, in the big picture of the world it is a small dip in the road and nobody has blown up the bridge. We will find ample opportunity to work together in the future.

 

[padisha emperor]

good post !

the fact is that some users of this board take the fact that France refused to go in Irak as a treatry, and now think that France is on the ennemy side.

like you said, disagreements between friends are nnormal, and it make involve the relation, after the crisis, things are often better than before

 

[dilloduck]

good post !

the fact is that some users of this board take the fact that France refused to go in Irak as a treatry, and now think that France is on the ennemy side.

like you said, disagreements between friends are nnormal, and it make involve the relation, after the crisis, things are often better than before

I think France is on Frances' side PE-----Is France investigating Chirac for taking bribe money from Saddam yet?

 

[padisha emperor]

Does it justify a war between France and USA ?

when US stop the france/uk invasion in Egypt in 1956, it was bad for our interests.
But no war anyway, so.....

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Does it justify a war between France and USA ?

when US stop the france/uk invasion in Egypt in 1956, it was bad for our interests.
But no war anyway, so.....

Yes. Your frooping corrupt president helped himself and helped saddam fund the people who are killing our soldiers. Unless you vote out chirac, you're next. You're on the axis of evil as far as I'm concerned.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Face it padesha, Chirac got caught pants down, dick in ass.

Countenance the misdeeds of your statesmen and your beloved U.N.

 

[Merlin1047]

Extracted from Webster's:

friend \n\ 1. one attached to another by affection or esteem. 2. one not hostile.

The definition does not fit the French. The french and their government have no affection and certainly no esteem for Americans. Even the lesser definition of "not hostile" does not apply. The french government has undertaken actions intentionally designed to harm the United States military effort in Iraq. Even during the first Gulf War, our so-called french "friends" went so far as to refuse permission for American planes to overfly their territory. This subjected our pilots to many hours of mission time on an already lengthy and stressful mission.

The only reason that the french claim to be our "friends" is so that they can gain sufficient time and opportunity to screw us over the next chance they get. They also know that if it came to a head-on confrontation, they would have their asses handed to them.

Give me ten honest enemies to one false friend.

 

[manu1959]

france couldn't defeat ronaldl mcdonald or mickey mouse .... as far as i can tell they are just looking for someone to surrend to

 

[padisha emperor]

you're boring with this obsession of "surrender" for France.
Guy, read an history book, don't judge France for 1940.
And even in WWII France did some heroic acts.

So, stop, because when you say that France are surrender monkeys, you have no more brain than a monkey.

 

[Doc Holiday]

Don't forget, France has nukes and unlike the US, they have tested theirs in recent years (South Pacific).

France hasn'twon a war in over two hundred years. I'm not sweating the Frenchies too much.

 

[padisha emperor]

France haven't won a war in 200 years ?

Napoleonic warS : several wars : victories : war against Austria and Russia(1805) against Prussia (1806) against Russia (1807) against Austria (1809) against Prussia Austria and Russia (1814).

Before that : Revolution's war : 1792/ 1793 /1794/ 1796/ 1797 1800........victories in Italy, against Austria, and in Egypt.

Afetr, the last campaign : defeat, against Spain, England, Russia, Prussia, Sweden, Portugal, Austria;........France vs Europe. But 2 days before Waterloo, the french army defeat the Blücher's army........

Colonial wars : XIXth c. : France built the second bigger colonial empire of the world, the bigger in Africa.

1859 (around this date) : war against Austria : complete victory, with the great victories of Magenta and Solferino.
1863 : War in Mexico, with the famous fight of Camerone : about 60 French against 2000 mexicans. Nobody surrender in the french lignes. until the death.
there is in Camerone a monument for the memory of this 60 heroes.

1870/1871 : defeat, but read something about the fight of BAZEILLES : Camerone is for the Legion, Bazeilles for the "troupes de marine"- marine troops -


WWI : I think that France won it. No ? of course France won it. La Marne, Verdun, Champagne, Chemin des Dames, La Somme, Dardannelles......

WWII : Defeat in 1940, but don't believe that the french soldiers didn't fight : for a large part they fight nutil they had no more ammo.
DUnkirk, Bir Hakeim, Monte Cassino, Rome, South of France, Paris........

Algeria war : military victory.

Suez, 1956 : military victory

Gulf 1991 : victory.
Kosovo 1999 : victory.

 

[freeandfun1]

winning a few battles is not the same as winning the war.

 

[padisha emperor]

boy, are you dumb ?
France won the most part of the wars she did in her History : the Crusades, the first crusades were victories, and the most part of the Knights were French.
War of Aquitania (around 1150-1250) : France won against England
Wars against England in the XIIIth XIVth : victories (Bouvines, Taillebourg against England, Mons en Pévèle....)
100 years war : France won it, the last battle, french victory, of the war : castillon, 1453.
First Italy war : victory, France go to Napoly.(until 1503).
Second Italy Campaign : Victory (1515, Marignan)
War against Spain under the rules of Louis XIII and Louis XIV : victories
Against Europe until Louis XIV : victory.
American war of Independance : victory
War against Europe under revolution : victory (Jemmapes, Valmy, Fleurus, Wattygnies...)
Campaign of Italy : victory (Arcole, Rivoli, Montenotte, Mondovi,; Castiglione...)
Second campaign of Italy : victory (Marengo main battle)
Napoleon wars : from 1805 to 1810, the wars lead by France are total victories.
From 1810 to 1815, France lost the war, but won lot of battles
(Ulm, Austerlitz, Iena, Auerstaedt, Eylau, Friedland, Eckmühl, Essling, Victoria, Somosierra, Bautzen, Lutzen, Dresde, Wagram, Borodino, Ligny, Montereau..............about 50 battles, and around 40 victories fro France...)
War against Austria : victory - Solferino, magenta -
colonial wars : victories in Africa, Asia

WWI : victory
WWII : victory (for the FFI and FFL, of course) : French free themselves more than the half of the territory, did a great job in North africa, and in Italy, and in East of France in 44/45.
Algeria, Suez : victories,on the military point.
Gulf war : victory
Kosovo : victory (France 2nd country on the point of the planes number, after USA, first of Europe)


So, don't see that France won only battles.
And when France lost wars, like the war in Canada, she won a lots of battles, and with honour. Same thing for Indochina, Dien Bien Phu is the perfect example of the heroic defeat, until the death, with no white flag.Like in Camerone 1863 or in Bazeilles 1870.


You know, it is really sad that you believe that France is a cowardice nation, only for 1940 and the Vichy government.
Because the frnch soldiers were excellent in all the french history, and are still excellent.

The french foreign Legion is the best corps of the world, the US Navy Seals copy on the french exercises of the Legion to do their practice/exercises/training (?)
And the TDM (troupes de Marine) are excellent too.............

If you thaink that we are coward for 1940 and irak 2003, it is dumb. We have 2000 years of history and 1500 of FRENCH history to show that it is wrong.

If I say : "US soldiers and nation suck because they lost in Viet nam, you would kick me, because it is wrong, you are not cowards.
The french soldiers fought in 1940. but the HQ sucked.

and for the "few battles" : France won more battles only from 1792 to 1815 than USA from 1776 to 2004.......

 

[dilloduck]

I think France might win the battle for "who got the most money from Saddam" too!

 

[padisha emperor]

ho ho ho
and USA win totally : "who kill the greatest number of civilians in only one war ?", "who have soldiers who shoot on everybody, even on civilians, wounded without weapons and prone, on journalists..... ?"
"WHo devaste a country to take its oil ?"
"who break the laws established for the most part by themselves ?"

Champion USA

 

[dilloduck]

ho ho ho
and USA win totally : "who kill the greatest number of civilians in only one war ?", "who have soldiers who shoot on everybody, even on civilians, wounded without weapons and prone, on journalists..... ?"
"WHo devaste a country to take its oil ?"
"who break the laws established for the most part by themselves ?"

Champion USA

The UN could have prevented the whole thing but YOUR GODDAMN PRES was too busy stealing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[padisha emperor]

instead of looking the dust in somebody eyes, look the beam in yours.

 

[dilloduck]

instead of looking the dust in somebody eyes, look the beam in yours.

We have discussed the faults of America----I'd like to hear one word from you about Chirac accepting bribes to corrupt the UN.

 

[Zhukov]

"who have soldiers who shoot on everybody, even on civilians,"

France: Troops Killed 20 in Ivory Coast

Associated Press


PARIS - France acknowledged Tuesday that its troops killed about 20 people, including civilians, during November clashes in Ivory Coast but insisted its soldiers had only acted in self-defense.

Officials in the former French colony have said at least 60 Ivory Coast citizens were killed - either by gunfire or stampedes - when French troops and helicopters shot into crowds.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/10306826.htm