"Freedom is Participation in Power"

Ralph Nader is echoing Cicero's declaration that freedom is participation in power in his new book, Unstoppable: The Emerging Left/Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State; Bill Freeza writing at Forbes interviews Ralph and Cato scholar Brink Lindsey trying to determine if progressives and libertarians can find enough common ground to challenge the corporate status quo.

"Nader describes our current political system as a duopoly that brooks no competition. 'I don’t think there is any other Western country that has so many obstacles to third party or independent candidate challenges,' he says. 'And given the way they gerrymander the districts, in 90 percent of the House of Representatives districts are essentially one party.'

"Libertarians certainly sympathize.

"But can Nader convince them to set aside their fundamental philosophical differences with progressives to tackle a specific and limited set of issues where there is agreement?

"In his book, Ralph lists 24 such areas, including civil liberties and subsidies to big business.

"Brink Lindsey is not so sure.

"But he notes that 'libertarians are a pretty small minority in American politics, so when anybody reaches out to us, I think we ought to be hospitable.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

To believe that Libertarians will unite with Progressives to tackle corporatism is foolish. Ultimately, they're in bed with corporatism. They're just angry that they are the ignored third in the menage a trois.
 
Ralph Nader is echoing Cicero's declaration that freedom is participation in power in his new book, Unstoppable: The Emerging Left/Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State; Bill Freeza writing at Forbes interviews Ralph and Cato scholar Brink Lindsey trying to determine if progressives and libertarians can find enough common ground to challenge the corporate status quo.

"Nader describes our current political system as a duopoly that brooks no competition. 'I don’t think there is any other Western country that has so many obstacles to third party or independent candidate challenges,' he says. 'And given the way they gerrymander the districts, in 90 percent of the House of Representatives districts are essentially one party.'

"Libertarians certainly sympathize.

"But can Nader convince them to set aside their fundamental philosophical differences with progressives to tackle a specific and limited set of issues where there is agreement?

"In his book, Ralph lists 24 such areas, including civil liberties and subsidies to big business.

"Brink Lindsey is not so sure.

"But he notes that 'libertarians are a pretty small minority in American politics, so when anybody reaches out to us, I think we ought to be hospitable.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

Hmmmmm . . . no it's not. Freedom is absence of coercion. "Participation in power" means to be a serf who does what the mob wills.
 
Freedoms just another name for noth'n else to lose
Among other things...
"Banks and telecommunications companies should be run as public utilities.

"The government should break up Google and maybe even Amazon (though Amazon could be given a little more time to see if Walmart steps up to challenge it).

"Federal law should limit not only the size of corporations, but also limited liability protections for investors, under the justification that greater exposure to liability might prompt investors to exercise tighter control over misbehaving and overpaid corporate executives.

"Nader also praises 1930s intellectuals who promoted not just income redistribution but asset redistribution, and quotes the Roman statesman Marcus Cicero, who said .'Freedom is participation in power.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

Aside from being incredibly stupid, what do any of those ideas have to do with freedom? They are the essence of totalitarianism.
 
Libertarians are little more than selfish infants, and you can't cut a deal with an infant.
This correct. To a libertarian, progressives are the enemy that must be crushed. In recent years these so-called libertarians have adopted so many pro-big business issues of their own that it is clear that they have sold their soul to big donors in return for some national exposure. Nothing but republican voters who have no wish to defend their sorry asses.

I think Nader's campaign is a nice litmus test to distinguish a true libertarian from a tea party republican - and likewise, a true progressive from a corporatist liberal.


ROFL! Apparently you believe there are no true libertarians since no libertarian would ever support Nader's anti business agenda.
 
Freedoms just another name for noth'n else to lose
Among other things...
"Banks and telecommunications companies should be run as public utilities.

"The government should break up Google and maybe even Amazon (though Amazon could be given a little more time to see if Walmart steps up to challenge it).

"Federal law should limit not only the size of corporations, but also limited liability protections for investors, under the justification that greater exposure to liability might prompt investors to exercise tighter control over misbehaving and overpaid corporate executives.

"Nader also praises 1930s intellectuals who promoted not just income redistribution but asset redistribution, and quotes the Roman statesman Marcus Cicero, who said .'Freedom is participation in power.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

Aside from being incredibly stupid, what do any of those ideas have to do with freedom? They are the essence of totalitarianism.
And the ultimate example of an infant chimes is, being total clueless about regulated capitalism, and why it's necessary, as usual.
 
Freedoms just another name for noth'n else to lose
Among other things...
"Banks and telecommunications companies should be run as public utilities.

"The government should break up Google and maybe even Amazon (though Amazon could be given a little more time to see if Walmart steps up to challenge it).

"Federal law should limit not only the size of corporations, but also limited liability protections for investors, under the justification that greater exposure to liability might prompt investors to exercise tighter control over misbehaving and overpaid corporate executives.

"Nader also praises 1930s intellectuals who promoted not just income redistribution but asset redistribution, and quotes the Roman statesman Marcus Cicero, who said .'Freedom is participation in power.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

Aside from being incredibly stupid, what do any of those ideas have to do with freedom? They are the essence of totalitarianism.
And the ultimate example of an infant chimes is, being total clueless about regulated capitalism, and why it's necessary, as usual.

The asshole without a clue chimes in.
 
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No one cares, literally.
Not RINOs for sure:
"Not that the Republican Party is always guided by such thinkers. Mr. Nader neatly describes how corporatist RINOs (Republican In Name Only) co-opt the party's anti-statist crusaders. 'The corporatist Republicans,' he writes, 'let the libertarians and conservatives have the paper platforms . . . and then move into office, where they are quick to throw out a welcome mat for Big Business lobbyists with their slush funds.'

"He cites Adam Smith's suspicion of regulations that benefit special interests: 'Such restraints favor the privileged interests that want to entrench their economic advantages through the force of law.'"

Book Review Unstoppable by Ralph Nader - WSJ
 
Libertarians are little more than selfish infants, and you can't cut a deal with an infant.
This correct. To a libertarian, progressives are the enemy that must be crushed. In recent years these so-called libertarians have adopted so many pro-big business issues of their own that it is clear that they have sold their soul to big donors in return for some national exposure. Nothing but republican voters who have no wish to defend their sorry asses.

I think Nader's campaign is a nice litmus test to distinguish a true libertarian from a tea party republican - and likewise, a true progressive from a corporatist liberal.


ROFL! Apparently you believe there are no true libertarians since no libertarian would ever support Nader's anti business agenda.

There are more than you'd realize.
 
Ralph Nader is echoing Cicero's declaration that freedom is participation in power in his new book, Unstoppable: The Emerging Left/Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State; Bill Freeza writing at Forbes interviews Ralph and Cato scholar Brink Lindsey trying to determine if progressives and libertarians can find enough common ground to challenge the corporate status quo.

"Nader describes our current political system as a duopoly that brooks no competition. 'I don’t think there is any other Western country that has so many obstacles to third party or independent candidate challenges,' he says. 'And given the way they gerrymander the districts, in 90 percent of the House of Representatives districts are essentially one party.'

"Libertarians certainly sympathize.

"But can Nader convince them to set aside their fundamental philosophical differences with progressives to tackle a specific and limited set of issues where there is agreement?

"In his book, Ralph lists 24 such areas, including civil liberties and subsidies to big business.

"Brink Lindsey is not so sure.

"But he notes that 'libertarians are a pretty small minority in American politics, so when anybody reaches out to us, I think we ought to be hospitable.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

To believe that Libertarians will unite with Progressives to tackle corporatism is foolish. Ultimately, they're in bed with corporatism. They're just angry that they are the ignored third in the menage a trois.

Libertarianism is the antithesis of corporatism
 
Ralph Nader is echoing Cicero's declaration that freedom is participation in power in his new book, Unstoppable: The Emerging Left/Right Alliance to Dismantle the Corporate State; Bill Freeza writing at Forbes interviews Ralph and Cato scholar Brink Lindsey trying to determine if progressives and libertarians can find enough common ground to challenge the corporate status quo.

"Nader describes our current political system as a duopoly that brooks no competition. 'I don’t think there is any other Western country that has so many obstacles to third party or independent candidate challenges,' he says. 'And given the way they gerrymander the districts, in 90 percent of the House of Representatives districts are essentially one party.'

"Libertarians certainly sympathize.

"But can Nader convince them to set aside their fundamental philosophical differences with progressives to tackle a specific and limited set of issues where there is agreement?

"In his book, Ralph lists 24 such areas, including civil liberties and subsidies to big business.

"Brink Lindsey is not so sure.

"But he notes that 'libertarians are a pretty small minority in American politics, so when anybody reaches out to us, I think we ought to be hospitable.'”

Can Ralph Nader Get Progressives and Libertarians to Make Common Cause - Forbes

To believe that Libertarians will unite with Progressives to tackle corporatism is foolish. Ultimately, they're in bed with corporatism. They're just angry that they are the ignored third in the menage a trois.
Actually they are the wet spot, and that no one wants to sleep on.
 
Libertarians are little more than selfish infants, and you can't cut a deal with an infant.
This correct. To a libertarian, progressives are the enemy that must be crushed. In recent years these so-called libertarians have adopted so many pro-big business issues of their own that it is clear that they have sold their soul to big donors in return for some national exposure. Nothing but republican voters who have no wish to defend their sorry asses.

I think Nader's campaign is a nice litmus test to distinguish a true libertarian from a tea party republican - and likewise, a true progressive from a corporatist liberal.


ROFL! Apparently you believe there are no true libertarians since no libertarian would ever support Nader's anti business agenda.

There are more than you'd realize.

More what than I realize?
 
Could be.......but it's good enough for me and my Bobby McGee
Stop it!
You're making me cry:
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Ingrate.
 
Libertarians are little more than selfish infants, and you can't cut a deal with an infant.
This correct. To a libertarian, progressives are the enemy that must be crushed. In recent years these so-called libertarians have adopted so many pro-big business issues of their own that it is clear that they have sold their soul to big donors in return for some national exposure. Nothing but republican voters who have no wish to defend their sorry asses.

I think Nader's campaign is a nice litmus test to distinguish a true libertarian from a tea party republican - and likewise, a true progressive from a corporatist liberal.


ROFL! Apparently you believe there are no true libertarians since no libertarian would ever support Nader's anti business agenda.

There are more than you'd realize.

More what than I realize?

There are more libertarians who would support Nader's efforts to undermine corporatism than you realize.
 
Ralph Nader gave us George Bush

All we need to know
No. He didn't.
Jeb gave us George Bush because Big Al was too gutless to fight for what he won at the polls.
The votes Nader pulled from Al Gore were more than enough to push Bush to 270

What? Gore owned those votes? And Nader stole them? Take your evil-of-two-lessers nonsense elsewhere.
This from a person who votes for people who win, ah, never...
 
"But he notes that 'libertarians are a pretty small minority in American politics, so when anybody reaches out to us, I think we ought to be hospitable.'”

At least libertarians are correct with regard to American military interventionism.
 
Ralph Nader gave us George Bush

All we need to know
No. He didn't.
Jeb gave us George Bush because Big Al was too gutless to fight for what he won at the polls.
The votes Nader pulled from Al Gore were more than enough to push Bush to 270

What? Gore owned those votes? And Nader stole them? Take your evil-of-two-lessers nonsense elsewhere.
Naders exercise in narcissism gave us George Bush
 

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