FRANCEXIT! Wonderful Marine Le Pen: "If I'm elected, we'll hold vote on leaving EU"

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU won't be happy until everyone is centered in Brussels.

They dream of their own Soviet Union. They somehow think their version will actually work.

There is nothing wrong with streamlining work visa's but there should be limits to all visas.

This is interesting. If the European Union is turning into a Soviet Union 2.0, then it must fully establish, exploit and encourage ethnic conflicts, like the Soviet Union did in Central Europe. Not impossible because the EU has already been doing this a few times. Maybe by weakness only though, but hard to know.

 

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

 

[StLucieBengal]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Yes the Muslims are bad. They shouldn't be there to begin with. But apart from the Muslim problem, how do you imagine Europe without the free movement of people? It would be like demanding a visa every time one goes from New Jersey to New York and back. Can you elaborate?

Globalists try and use the USA/EU comp but it's simply not so....

The states were never sovereign nations with their own currency, and language.

How do we travel to Canada or Mexico? There is no long visa process. And they have the option to get a multiple entry visa.

The EU has a long list of problems even if we left the Muslims aside. The point of my post was to illustrate that most people would overlook those issues of they tightened up on the borders.

Personally I am glad the EU isn't giving in because I want it to crumble

I must disagree, because the European nation states are set up to steal a piece of their neighbors land. So putting back the borders is like reseeding ww1-2. Even with the current open borders the administrative languages alone are a problem at many places. For example the French in the German Strassburg region demand French schools, but deny the same to the German of the French side. If the EU crumbles, then there will be another European war, bigger than the current Ukraine game.

You can't give in to tyranny because you are afraid of war. Because eventually you will get a civil war.

I realize that breaking the EU and going back to everyone controls their own area will make it easier for war. However I doubt that will happen any time soon.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU won't be happy until everyone is centered in Brussels.

They dream of their own Soviet Union. They somehow think their version will actually work.

There is nothing wrong with streamlining work visa's but there should be limits to all visas.

This is interesting. If the European Union is turning into a Soviet Union 2.0, then it must fully establish, exploit and encourage ethnic conflicts, like the Soviet Union did in Central Europe. Not impossible because the EU has already been doing this a few times. Maybe by weakness only though, but hard to know.

Leftists loved the Soviet setup. They just now feel like if it's done "their" way it will actually work and be their utopia.

 

[Phoenall]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Yes the Muslims are bad. They shouldn't be there to begin with. But apart from the Muslim problem, how do you imagine Europe without the free movement of people? It would be like demanding a visa every time one goes from New Jersey to New York and back. Can you elaborate?

Not the same thing at all as Europe is 28 individual nations with 28 individual languages and cultures. It would be more like America opening its borders to Africa and the M.E

The number of European languages is not 28 you communist.

No communist's here, far from it. There are 28 separate nations each with its own language the last time I looked

 

[Phoenall]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

Very few places like that, and the inhabitants would not want to change nationality unless it was of benefit to them

 

[Spare_change]

i can't wait!

France's Le Pen: If I'm elected, we'll hold vote on leaving EU

This is what happens when you ask one targeted group to carry everybody else ... the same as is happening in the US. The targeted group finally says Fuck it! and leaves.

Britain, and now France, got tired of carrying the freeloading members, and decided to take their ball and go home.

American business got tired of carrying the unproductive, and decided to take their ball and go somewhere else.

Why does this come as a shock to anyone?

 

[ESay]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

First of all I want to say that it is pointless to scrap the free movement completely. There should be a free travel area for tourist visits inside the EU. If you want to stay for say 90 days in a certain country, you should be free in doing so. If you want to stay longer or live there permanently or get a job, you should get a visa. If you buy a property in the EU country, you will be able to get a long-term visa which allows you to live here, but without a right to get a job.

 

[montelatici]

The EU, with the departure of England and Wales, will integrate further and become what was it was supposed to be, an analog of the U.S. with EU states having independent motor vehicle licensing and registration, local taxes, local welfare and unemployment compensation systems and local health care systems. People will be able to freely travel within the EU and take up residence anywhere in the EU as long as the person has EU citizenship.

 

[Phoenall]

The EU, with the departure of England and Wales, will integrate further and become what was it was supposed to be, an analog of the U.S. with EU states having independent motor vehicle licensing and registration, local taxes, local welfare and unemployment compensation systems and local health care systems. People will be able to freely travel within the EU and take up residence anywhere in the EU as long as the person has EU citizenship.

Scotland and Northern Ireland cant do a thing without Westminsters say so, and the SNP is relying on its M.P's in the British Parliament for screwing as much as they can from the governments coffers. Lets see how well it goes when England is booming and the Scots are ruled from Brussels without 3 of the big four money nations in the EU. The freedom to travel will still be available, but the mainland nations will have laws in place to expel or stop criminals from taking up residence.

 

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Yes the Muslims are bad. They shouldn't be there to begin with. But apart from the Muslim problem, how do you imagine Europe without the free movement of people? It would be like demanding a visa every time one goes from New Jersey to New York and back. Can you elaborate?

Globalists try and use the USA/EU comp but it's simply not so....

The states were never sovereign nations with their own currency, and language.

How do we travel to Canada or Mexico? There is no long visa process. And they have the option to get a multiple entry visa.

The EU has a long list of problems even if we left the Muslims aside. The point of my post was to illustrate that most people would overlook those issues of they tightened up on the borders.

Personally I am glad the EU isn't giving in because I want it to crumble

I must disagree, because the European nation states are set up to steal a piece of their neighbors land. So putting back the borders is like reseeding ww1-2. Even with the current open borders the administrative languages alone are a problem at many places. For example the French in the German Strassburg region demand French schools, but deny the same to the German of the French side. If the EU crumbles, then there will be another European war, bigger than the current Ukraine game.

You can't give in to tyranny because you are afraid of war. Because eventually you will get a civil war.

I realize that breaking the EU and going back to everyone controls their own area will make it easier for war. However I doubt that will happen any time soon.

Actually a new European war would provide probably some justice to those nations that ww1-2 shafted. This would include even Poland.

I think what we would have reason to be afraid of would be external powers putting their fingers on the scales of the delicate European balances. This has taken several countries off the map after ww1, and would be an even bigger disgrace today.

 

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU won't be happy until everyone is centered in Brussels.

They dream of their own Soviet Union. They somehow think their version will actually work.

There is nothing wrong with streamlining work visa's but there should be limits to all visas.

This is interesting. If the European Union is turning into a Soviet Union 2.0, then it must fully establish, exploit and encourage ethnic conflicts, like the Soviet Union did in Central Europe. Not impossible because the EU has already been doing this a few times. Maybe by weakness only though, but hard to know.

Leftists loved the Soviet setup. They just now feel like if it's done "their" way it will actually work and be their utopia.

Indeed. And this entire psychology could be subjected to clinical research. Genocide as utopia. Only a leftist could wish for that.

 

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Yes the Muslims are bad. They shouldn't be there to begin with. But apart from the Muslim problem, how do you imagine Europe without the free movement of people? It would be like demanding a visa every time one goes from New Jersey to New York and back. Can you elaborate?

Not the same thing at all as Europe is 28 individual nations with 28 individual languages and cultures. It would be more like America opening its borders to Africa and the M.E

The number of European languages is not 28 you communist.

No communist's here, far from it. There are 28 separate nations each with its own language the last time I looked

Tell this to the e.g. Ladins of Austria. Or to the Sorbs of Germany. Or to the Saxons of Transylvania. Or .... The national language is simply some collectivist majority administration, designed to rob people of assets.

 

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

Very few places like that, and the inhabitants would not want to change nationality unless it was of benefit to them

Most of Europe's borders were created in ww1. So whilst not prior, but since ww1, most European borders are exactly like that.

Forcing people to change nationality and/or move is a communist practice.

 

[anotherlife]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

First of all I want to say that it is pointless to scrap the free movement completely. There should be a free travel area for tourist visits inside the EU. If you want to stay for say 90 days in a certain country, you should be free in doing so. If you want to stay longer or live there permanently or get a job, you should get a visa. If you buy a property in the EU country, you will be able to get a long-term visa which allows you to live here, but without a right to get a job.

The property buying idea in your post is more advanced than what many of the EU members have even today, for example if you are German and want to buy a house in the Czech Republic then you are not allowed to do that, but if you are Slovakian then you are.

For the job thing, this is very tricky, because half of the EU countries have only pretend job markets, and the few that have real ones, have it only in one city or two. For example the only real job market in France is Paris and nothing in Spain. So if the Spanis would now suddenly need a work visa to work in France, then Spain would destabilize.

 

[anotherlife]

The EU, with the departure of England and Wales, will integrate further and become what was it was supposed to be, an analog of the U.S. with EU states having independent motor vehicle licensing and registration, local taxes, local welfare and unemployment compensation systems and local health care systems. People will be able to freely travel within the EU and take up residence anywhere in the EU as long as the person has EU citizenship.

This would be nice, but state administrations use their national languages as weapons against people who want to move there from another state. Only the EU Lisbon treaty was able to address this problem, and even that has failed so far.

 

[montelatici]

The EU, with the departure of England and Wales, will integrate further and become what was it was supposed to be, an analog of the U.S. with EU states having independent motor vehicle licensing and registration, local taxes, local welfare and unemployment compensation systems and local health care systems. People will be able to freely travel within the EU and take up residence anywhere in the EU as long as the person has EU citizenship.

This would be nice, but state administrations use their national languages as weapons against people who want to move there from another state. Only the EU Lisbon treaty was able to address this problem, and even that has failed so far.

Not at all, wealthy retired Germans with homes on Elba and Romanian workers doing work Italians no longer want to do (both EU citizens) do just fine in Italy.

 

[Phoenall]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

First of all I want to say that it is pointless to scrap the free movement completely. There should be a free travel area for tourist visits inside the EU. If you want to stay for say 90 days in a certain country, you should be free in doing so. If you want to stay longer or live there permanently or get a job, you should get a visa. If you buy a property in the EU country, you will be able to get a long-term visa which allows you to live here, but without a right to get a job.

The property buying idea in your post is more advanced than what many of the EU members have even today, for example if you are German and want to buy a house in the Czech Republic then you are not allowed to do that, but if you are Slovakian then you are.

For the job thing, this is very tricky, because half of the EU countries have only pretend job markets, and the few that have real ones, have it only in one city or two. For example the only real job market in France is Paris and nothing in Spain. So if the Spanis would now suddenly need a work visa to work in France, then Spain would destabilize.

because they followed the EU model and created the nations wealth from niche markets, in Spain it was Tourism which is seasonal. In France it was farming which is again seasonal, making for runs of poverty with smaller runs of wealth

 

[Phoenall]

The EU, with the departure of England and Wales, will integrate further and become what was it was supposed to be, an analog of the U.S. with EU states having independent motor vehicle licensing and registration, local taxes, local welfare and unemployment compensation systems and local health care systems. People will be able to freely travel within the EU and take up residence anywhere in the EU as long as the person has EU citizenship.

This would be nice, but state administrations use their national languages as weapons against people who want to move there from another state. Only the EU Lisbon treaty was able to address this problem, and even that has failed so far.

Not at all, wealthy retired Germans with homes on Elba and Romanian workers doing work Italians no longer want to do (both EU citizens) do just fine in Italy.

Until the Italians want their homes and jobs back, then the troubles will start

 

[ESay]

Since it took 20 years of grooming the British public to make them vote down the EU, it will take 200 years to achieve the same with French thinkers/voters.

What's funny is that the EU could keep the whole bloc together if they dropped free movement of people.

That and the Muslims acting like animals are the only things breaking up their bloc.

Actually, you don’t even need to scrap the free movement per se. What you actually should do is separate free movement from the right to work, settle, and get benefits.

The EU preconditions all life with administration, so all the settling and work and benefits are inseparable from the movement of people principle. If we halt those though, then what will you do with people who for example want to buy a house at the other side of their town and move there but that street is across a country border?

First of all I want to say that it is pointless to scrap the free movement completely. There should be a free travel area for tourist visits inside the EU. If you want to stay for say 90 days in a certain country, you should be free in doing so. If you want to stay longer or live there permanently or get a job, you should get a visa. If you buy a property in the EU country, you will be able to get a long-term visa which allows you to live here, but without a right to get a job.

The property buying idea in your post is more advanced than what many of the EU members have even today, for example if you are German and want to buy a house in the Czech Republic then you are not allowed to do that, but if you are Slovakian then you are.

For the job thing, this is very tricky, because half of the EU countries have only pretend job markets, and the few that have real ones, have it only in one city or two. For example the only real job market in France is Paris and nothing in Spain. So if the Spanis would now suddenly need a work visa to work in France, then Spain would destabilize.

I have some doubts that the Germans are not allowed to do so. Are you sure? I know that the Czech Rep, especially Karlovy Vary, was very popular among the Russians to buy a property (among those who wanted to buy a property abroad, of course). I don’t think that Germans have worse conditions than Russians.

First of all, every country should think of its own citizens in the first turn. Also, every country should have a right to sign deals with other countries about work permits concerning their citizens or about visa-free jobs or something like that. My point is that every EU member state should have a right to conduct its own policy about immigration, residency, and other similar things.