LordBrownTrout
Diamond Member
Please define 'socialism' and give us concrete, objective examples our government is socialistic.
Where govt confiscates private property ie monetary and then blows it on more shitty govt.
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Please define 'socialism' and give us concrete, objective examples our government is socialistic.
The lies you tell.
Much of the eastern half of the island did not have electricity.
Medical care for the agricultural workers was almost non-existent.
Read any objective history of Cuba.
You lie as easily as you breathe.
I don't know, is Obama executing any rich people? If he is, can I help? (This is a joke, please don't go into hysterics!)
Seriously, though, you have to ask why the Cuban people- not Castro - went along with such a radical change in their society.
Because they got fed up with a system where 90% of the land was owned by foreigners, where the wealthy lived in oppulance while they lived in squalor... As JFK noted..
They went along with it? I never realized the Cuban people voted Castro into power.
The Cuban people were better off than the people of any other country in Latin America. Their standard of living was rapidly approaching ours. Cubans underwent a drastic reduction in their standard of living when Castro came to power. Only ******* commies claim that Castro was an improvement over Batista.
Actually, society has the "right" to take everything you have, including your life.
because there are no "rights", guys. There are only privilages that society lets us have.
And fool who thinks he has "rights", needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast "rights" can vanish when society wants them to.
One segment of society manipulates an unfair wealth distribution, the rest of society is going to force a redistribution to keep functioning. This is just ebb and flow.
Typical left winger sheep group thinker that you are no wonder you want to justify the removal of other's rights so you can benefit.
It's disgusting.
Yes, I'm sure you consider taking away a rich person's dressage pony so a working person who worked all of her life doesn't have to eat dog food in her golden years to be disgusting. Especially after the rich person looted her pension fund and caused a stock market crash that emptied out her savings.
Most sane, humane people don't.
You created this mess. You can't favor the rich over the working man and then be surprised when working folks turn to government for a redress...
You should kind of expect it.
There are no rights. Please physically show me a "right".
There are privilages that society decides the rest of us have. And most of them are pretty sensible.
Fact is, society decides to redistrubute wealth, wealth will be redistributed. You might be able to hop onto a boat with the silver... I guess.
No one absofuckinglutely no one has the right to take 3/4 of someone's else's money
It's funny how all you ******* sheep are all for stealing from others while not paying your own way.
Actually, society has the "right" to take everything you have, including your life.
because there are no "rights", guys. There are only privilages that society lets us have.
And fool who thinks he has "rights", needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast "rights" can vanish when society wants them to.
One segment of society manipulates an unfair wealth distribution, the rest of society is going to force a redistribution to keep functioning. This is just ebb and flow.
I prefer to do it right, which we aren't doing now.
The future you want is Cuba, keep letting the rich abuse the rest of us until they get fed up with it and throw them off onto little boats...
Many of the people on those boats were the 'rich' people.
The Cubans were leaving Cuba because Castro expropriated private property with little or no compensation, nationalized public utilities, and tightened controls on the private sector.
All radio and television stations were in state control. Moderate teachers and professors were purged. In any year, about 20,000 dissenters were imprisoned. Some homosexuals, religious practitioners, and others were sent to labor camps where they were subject to political "re-education". The U.S. State Department estimates that 3,200 people were executed from 1959 to 1962. Other estimates for the total number political executions range from 4,000 to 33,000.
Does any of this sound familiar to what is happening under the Obama administration?
I don't know, is Obama executing any rich people? If he is, can I help? (This is a joke, please don't go into hysterics!)
Seriously, though, you have to ask why the Cuban people- not Castro - went along with such a radical change in their society.
Because they got fed up with a system where 90% of the land was owned by foreigners, where the wealthy lived in oppulance while they lived in squalor... As JFK noted..
"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my countryÂ’s policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear."
— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, 24 October 1963[11]
I didn't "create" any of your selfish delusions.
You know what I've been doing?
I have worked saved and sacrificed for years to get where I am and that people like you who didn't do what I did think you have a right to my property is utterly disgusting.
Get out in the ******* world and make your own way you lazy sheep.
The lies you tell.
Much of the eastern half of the island did not have electricity.
Medical care for the agricultural workers was almost non-existent.
Read any objective history of Cuba.
You lie as easily as you breathe.
They went along with it? I never realized the Cuban people voted Castro into power.
The Cuban people were better off than the people of any other country in Latin America. Their standard of living was rapidly approaching ours. Cubans underwent a drastic reduction in their standard of living when Castro came to power. Only ******* commies claim that Castro was an improvement over Batista.
Wrong again, Fakey.
BTW, How is your Alzheimer's prognosis coming along?
Cuba Before Fidel Castro / Contacto Magazine
If one were to believe the Castroist propaganda, one would have the impression that Cuba was a country with a 40% illiteracy rate, with the greedy hands of multi-national US conglomerates controlling every facet of the national economy; a country without doctors,where workers and farmers were horribly exploited, with a high level of unemployment, and with houses of prostitution and gambling casinos on each corner.
Of course, Cuba was not a fully developed country, nor were its resources distributed equally among all its people -nor have they been equitably distributed during Castroism-, but in 1958 only 14% of the capital invested in the island came from the US, and there were no more than 10 gambling casinos in the country. At the same time, 62% of sugar mills, the principal sites of sugar production -which itself was the most important component of the Cuban economy- were owned by Cubans.
In 1953, Cuba was 22nd among the world's nations in the number of doctors per capita, with 128.6 for each 100 thousand inhabitants.
The mortality rate was 5.8 -third lowest in the world-, while the mortality rate of the United States was 9.5 and that of Canada 7.6.
Towards the end of the 50s, the island had the lowest infant mortality rate of Latin America, with 3.76, followed by Argentina with 6.11, Venezuela with 6.56, and Uruguay with 7.30, as per data provided by the World Health Organization.
Cuba was number 33 among 112 nations in the world as far as the level of daily reading, with 101 newspaper copies published per 1,000 inhabitants, which also contradicts the argument that the country was inhabited by a great number of illiterates.
Even as far as so-called luxury items, in 1959 Cuba had one radio per each five inhabitants, one television set for each 28, one telephone for each 38, and one automobile for each 40 inhabitants, according to the Annual Statistical Report of the United Nations.
As a matter of fact, even the greatest and most world-renowned Cuban writers and artists had already created their most important works before Castro's arrival to power. Among them, their politics notwithstanding, were José Lezama Lima, probably the most outstanding Cuban man of letters of this century; poet and dramatist Virgilio Piñera, who revolutionized Cuban theater with the premiere of Electra Garrigó in 1948, two years before French-Romanian Eugene Ionesco, father of the Theater of the Absurd, premiered The Bald Soprano in Paris; the painters Amelia Pelaez, René Portocarrero, Wilfredo Lam and many others; novelist Alejo Carpentier, author of The Century of Lights, poet Nicolás Guillén; the ballerina Alicia Alonso; and, of course, an extraordinary number of composers and interpreters of Cuban popular music, such as Ernesto Lecuona, Amadeo Roldán, Alejandro GarcÃa Caturla, the TrÃo Matamoros, Sindo Garay, Eliseo Grenet, Hubert de Blank, Benny Moré, Dámaso Pérez Prado, and many more.
What follows is some data regarding public health, the labor sector, and education:
PUBLIC HEALTH: In 1958, Cuba had a population of six million, six hundred thirty one thousand inhabitants (6,630,921, to be exact). At that time, there were 35 thousand (35,000) hospital beds in the country, an average of one hospital bed per 190 inhabitants, a number which then exceeded the goal of developed countries, which was 200 inhabitants per hospital bed. In 1960, the United States had one hospital bed per 109 inhabitants.
Also in 1958, the Cuban nation had an average of one doctor per 980 inhabitants, a number that was surpassed in Latin America only by Argentina, with one doctor per 760 inhabitants, and Uruguay, with one per each 860. Cuba had one dentist per 2,978 inhabitants then.
This data is found in the archives of the World Health Organization.
LABOR RELATIONS: In 1958, an industrial worker in Cuba earned an average salary of the equivalent of $6 US dollars per each 8-hour work day, while an agricultural worker earned the equivalent of $3 US dollars. Cuba then ranked number eight (8) in the world as far as salaries paid to industrial workers, outperformed only by the following countries:
the United States ($16.80)
Canada ($11.73)
Sweden ($ 8.10)
Switzerland ($ 8.00)
New Zealand ($ 6.72)
Denmark ($ 6.46)
Norway ($ 6.10)
As far as salaries for agricultural workers, Cuba was number seven (7) in the world, outperformed only by the following countries:
Canada ($7.18)
the United States ($6.80)
New Zealand ($6.72)
Australia ($6.61)
Sweden ($5.47)
Norway ($4.38)
This data was published by the International Labor Organization in Geneva, Switzerland, in 1960. In 1958, Cuba had a labor force of two million two hundred four thousand workers (2,204,000). The rate of unemployment at that time was 7.07%, the lowest in Latin America, as per data from the Cuban Labor Ministry.
EDUCATION: That same year, Cuba had three government financed universities and three others that were privately run. There were twenty thousand (20,000) students enrolled in the government run universities.
There were 900 officially recognized private schools, including the three private universities. The total number of students enrolled at these institutions was over one hundred thousand (100,000).
The public school system employed twenty five thousand (25,000) teachers, and the private school system counted with 3,500.
In the middle of the 1950s, there were 1,206 rural school houses in Cuba, as well as a mobile library system which boasted a total of 179,738 books.
Also in 1958, Cuba had 114 institutions of higher education, below the university level; among them were technical institutes, polytechnic and professional schools, which were financed by the government. Just in 1958, these institutions graduated 38,428 students. In 1958, the island's illiteracy rate was 18%.
This data is found in the archives of Cuba's Ministry of Education.
Cuba was the Latin American country with the highest budget for education in 1958, with 23% of the total budget earmarked for this expense. It was followed by Costa Rica (20%), and Guatemala and Chile, each with 16%. This data comes from America in Statistics, published by the Pan American Union.
No one absofuckinglutely no one has the right to take 3/4 of someone's else's money
It's funny how all you ******* sheep are all for stealing from others while not paying your own way.
Actually, society has the "right" to take everything you have, including your life.
because there are no "rights", guys. There are only privilages that society lets us have.
And fool who thinks he has "rights", needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast "rights" can vanish when society wants them to.
One segment of society manipulates an unfair wealth distribution, the rest of society is going to force a redistribution to keep functioning. This is just ebb and flow.
When rights are ordained by govt or man they will be taken away. That's precisely why are founders stated that they came from our creator.
Many of the people on those boats were the 'rich' people.
The Cubans were leaving Cuba because Castro expropriated private property with little or no compensation, nationalized public utilities, and tightened controls on the private sector.
Does any of this sound familiar to what is happening under the Obama administration?
I don't know, is Obama executing any rich people? If he is, can I help? (This is a joke, please don't go into hysterics!)
Seriously, though, you have to ask why the Cuban people- not Castro - went along with such a radical change in their society.
Because they got fed up with a system where 90% of the land was owned by foreigners, where the wealthy lived in oppulance while they lived in squalor... As JFK noted..
"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my countryÂ’s policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear."
— U.S. President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, 24 October 1963[11]
I didn't say any rich people were being executed, and that was a piss poor joke. The boat lifts from Cuba didn't begin until Castro took over in spite of what JFK said.
Is that the same JFK that increased the number of U.S. military advisers in Vietnam from 800 to 16,300 to oppose the Communists and welcomed Castro and Communists to Cuba?
No one absofuckinglutely no one has the right to take 3/4 of someone's else's money
It's funny how all you ******* sheep are all for stealing from others while not paying your own way.
Actually, society has the "right" to take everything you have, including your life.
because there are no "rights", guys. There are only privilages that society lets us have.
And fool who thinks he has "rights", needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast "rights" can vanish when society wants them to.
One segment of society manipulates an unfair wealth distribution, the rest of society is going to force a redistribution to keep functioning. This is just ebb and flow.
When rights are ordained by govt or man they will be taken away. That's precisely why are founders stated that they came from our creator.
Read it carefully and see how your material applies to the eastern half of the island and the agricultural worker class. It doesn't.
The magazine is an ultra right publication of the anti-Castroites.
CONTACTO Magazine, a monthly publication on Cuban issues. 1317 N. San Fernando Blvd.-246, Burbank, CA. 91504 (818) 842-3308 Fax: (818) 557-6251 ...
The lies you tell.
Whatever, JoeB. Atheism is a devolution in man's thinking.
Whatever, JoeB. Atheism is a devolution in man's thinking.
Actually, society has the "right" to take everything you have, including your life.
because there are no "rights", guys. There are only privilages that society lets us have.
And fool who thinks he has "rights", needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" to see how fast "rights" can vanish when society wants them to.
One segment of society manipulates an unfair wealth distribution, the rest of society is going to force a redistribution to keep functioning. This is just ebb and flow.
Typical left winger sheep group thinker that you are no wonder you want to justify the removal of other's rights so you can benefit.
It's disgusting.
Yes, I'm sure you consider taking away a rich person's dressage pony so a working person who worked all of her life doesn't have to eat dog food in her golden years to be disgusting. Especially after the rich person looted her pension fund and caused a stock market crash that emptied out her savings.
Most sane, humane people don't.
You created this mess. You can't favor the rich over the working man and then be surprised when working folks turn to government for a redress...
You should kind of expect it.
and where's my Social Security money again? what rich person caused the stock market to crash?I'm sure you can prvide an example of someone forced to "eat dogfood"and where's my Social Security money again? what rich person caused the stock market to crash?
I'm sure you can prvide an example of someone forced to "eat dogfood"and where's my Social Security money again? what rich person caused the stock market to crash?
I could explain it to you and you still wouldn't understand it...
Look up 'Recession of 2008", in case you were asleep when that all happened. It wasn't poor people who crashed the economy.
No need for an explanation from you because you're out there in loonyville. I'd hoped that you could provide some examples of old people eating dog food though, too government intervention into the capitalist system is what screwed everything up...