Fourth PP video released, it's bad

[SassyIrishLass]

BOOM!!!!!!!

"Planned Parenthood says it’s been hacked by 'extremists,' but a review of the publicly available evidence suggests that the only things being hacked at Planned Parenthood right now are perfectly healthy and viable unborn babies."

 

[BULLDOG]

An adult heart, or any other organ that is donated for transplant or research calls for different procedures as well. It's what is required to get the most out of the gift of organ donation. Are you against all tissue donation?

I am very much in favor of tissue donation. But the adult heart is donated by the person it belongs to, and not against their will, and on the condition it is not harvested until after the donor dies a natural death. They were not murdered and then harvested.

Apples and oranges.

Again, you are arguing against abortion which is a totally different subject. Our laws clearly state that abortion is legal and the woman having the procedure has every right to voluntarily donate the tissue. This latest stir up against PP is just misdirection to advance your fight against abortion. At least be honest about what you are doing.

 

[BULLDOG]

What the pro-choicers are failing to grasp is that this is not so much about the legality of what Planned Parenthood is doing, but the sheer horror of the destruction of human bodies to harvest body parts in exchange for cash.

These videos absolutely destroy the "lump of cells" smoke and mirrors. It is undeniably human. The abortionists casually discuss livers and stomachs and whole brains. And at 9:04 in this latest video, as the abortionist sifts through the body parts, she supposedly says, "It's a baby." The audio is not very clear, but if that is what she actually says, it will be a devastating admission.

Here's the deal, kids: Half of Americans self-identify as "pro-life" and half self-identify as "pro-choice". But two thirds say they are opposed to second trimester abortions.

That means even many people who consider themselves pro-choice are in disagreement with the Roe v. Wade decision.

And what we see in these videos is the murder of second trimester babies and their organs being carefully picked over and traded for cash.

So forget whether this is legal or not. These revelations will wound the pro-choice movement.

The legality question is very much in play. The concept of compensation for costs vs. profit, and changing procedures for procurement of the tissue in a more whole condition are matters of fact for a court to decide.

Like I said, forget whether it is legal or not. The cold brutality of the abortionists in these videos will hurt the abortion movement. These videos bruise the conscience.

"It's a baby."

Then argue against abortion as you have been. Your lies about the donation of tissue is a completely different matter.

What lies have I told?

None.

That the procedure of tissue donation which is tightly regulated and has been in place for a very long time is somehow grounds to end the existence of PP as well as a woman's right to have an abortion.

 

[BlueGin]

"It's a boy!"

Then they giggle about it? That's disturbing. Evil and without souls

What are they happy about exactly...Killing boys or harvesting penis?

Weird.

 

[dannyboys]

These murders are going to end up in prison. We'll see what happens to them if they EVER get close to a Hispanic. LOLOLO!
It will be the murder's "tissue" that will be in a ******* slop bucket on the floor..........like where the discarded murdered baby parts that they couldn't sell end up.

 

[BlindBoo]

One of the pillars of pro abortion is that we were "only talking about a clump of cells."

BS. Now in the Embryonic Stem Cell debate yeah the "Clump of Cells" was used and is accurate. In the abortion debate your allegation is simply not true.

Wrong. We were consistently told they were clumps of cells, they werent human beings, life did not begin at conception etc etc.
All of this has been revealed as a lie.

It's what the anti-choice folks claim but they never say who or offer the credentials of the person who they claim said it.

 

[westwall]

All of the libel comes from those editing the videos.

PP is not doing anything illegal.

It is the perverts who put these videos together that are talking about the body parts.

Yes they are. According to Federal Code it is illegal to sell human body parts.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

I still don't get an actual link for this film.

Has anyone got a valid one or is this just discussion of an unseen tape??

Had Fox news on all day, have not heard a word of this.

How about it OP, hook us up with an actual link for this missing tape.

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Her it is finally "

Planned Parenthood VP Says Fetuses May Come Out Intact Agrees Payments Specific to the Specimen The Center for Medical Progress

 

[DrDoomNGloom]

Planned Parenthood VP Says Fetuses May Come Out Intact, Agrees Payments Specific to the Specimen

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

#PPSellsBabyParts PLANNED PARENTHOOD VP SAYS FETUSES MAY COME OUT INTACT, AGREES PAYMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE SPECIMENPlanned Parenthood Rocky Mountains VP & Medical Director Savita Ginde Discusses Contract Details, Aborted Body Parts Pricing, and How to Not “Get Caught”


Contact: David Daleiden, media@centerformedicalprogress.org, 949.734.0859

DENVER, July 30–New undercover footage shows Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains’ Vice President and Medical Director, Dr. Savita Ginde, negotiating a fetal body parts deal, agreeing multiple times to illicit pricing per body part harvested, and suggesting ways to avoid legal consequences.

Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains (PPRM) is a wealthy, multi-state Planned Parenthood affiliate that does over 10,000 abortions per year. PPRM has a contract to supply aborted fetal tissue to Colorado State University in Fort Collins.

In the video, actors posing as representatives from a human biologics company meet with Ginde at the abortion-clinic headquarters of PPRM in Denver to discuss a potential partnership to harvest fetal organs. When the actors request intact fetal specimens, Ginde reveals that in PPRM’s abortion practice, “Sometimes, if we get, if someone delivers before we get to see them for a procedure, then we are intact.”

Since PPRM does not use digoxin or other feticide in its 2nd trimester procedures, any intact deliveries before an abortion are potentially born-alive infants under federal law (1 USC 8).

“We’d have to do a little bit of training with the providers or something to make sure that they don’t crush” fetal organs during 2nd trimester abortions, says Ginde, brainstorming ways to ensure the abortion doctors at PPRM provide usable fetal organs.

When the buyers ask Ginde if “compensation could be specific to the specimen?” Ginde agrees, “Okay.” Later on in the abortion clinic’s pathological laboratory, standing over an aborted fetus, Ginde responds to the buyer’s suggestion of paying per body part harvested, rather than a standard flat fee for the entire case: “I think a per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.”

The sale or purchase of human fetal tissue is a federal felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to $500,000 (42 U.S.C. 289g-2). Federal law also requires that no alteration in the timing or method of abortion be done for the purposes of fetal tissue collection (42 U.S.C. 289g-1).

Ginde also suggests ways for Planned Parenthood to cover-up its criminal and public relations liability for the sale of aborted body parts. “Putting it under ‘research’ gives us a little bit of an overhang over the whole thing,” Ginde remarks. “If you have someone in a really anti state who’s going to be doing this for you, they’re probably going to get caught.”

Ginde implies that PPRM’s lawyer, Kevin Paul, is helping the affiliate skirt under the fetal tissue law: “He’s got it figured out that he knows that even if, because we talked to him in the beginning, you know, we were like, ‘We don’t want to get called on,’ you know, ‘selling fetal parts across states.’” The buyers ask, “And you feel confident that they’re building those layers?” to which Ginde replies, “I’m confident that our Legal will make sure we’re not put in that situation.”

As the buyers and Planned Parenthood workers identify body parts from last fetus in the path lab, a Planned Parenthood medical assistant announces: “Another boy!”

The video is the latest by The Center for Medical Progress documenting Planned Parenthood’s sale of aborted fetal parts. Project Lead David Daleiden notes: “Elected officials need to listen to the public outcry for an immediate moratorium on Planned Parenthood’s taxpayer funding while the 10 state investigations and 3 Congressional committees determine the full extent of Planned Parenthood’s sale of baby parts.” Daleiden continues, “Planned Parenthood’s recent call for the NIH to convene an expert panel to ‘study’ fetal experimentation is absurd after suggestions from Planned Parenthood’s Dr. Ginde that ‘research’ can be used as a catch-all to cover-up baby parts sales. The biggest problem is bad actors like Planned Parenthood who hold themselves above the law in order to harvest and make money off of aborted fetal brains, hearts, and livers.”

 

[BULLDOG]

What the pro-choicers are failing to grasp is that this is not so much about the legality of what Planned Parenthood is doing, but the sheer horror of the destruction of human bodies to harvest body parts in exchange for cash.

These videos absolutely destroy the "lump of cells" smoke and mirrors. It is undeniably human. The abortionists casually discuss livers and stomachs and whole brains. And at 9:04 in this latest video, as the abortionist sifts through the body parts, she supposedly says, "It's a baby." The audio is not very clear, but if that is what she actually says, it will be a devastating admission.

Here's the deal, kids: Half of Americans self-identify as "pro-life" and half self-identify as "pro-choice". But two thirds say they are opposed to second trimester abortions.

That means even many people who consider themselves pro-choice are in disagreement with the Roe v. Wade decision.

And what we see in these videos is the murder of second trimester babies and their organs being carefully picked over and traded for cash.

So forget whether this is legal or not. These revelations will wound the pro-choice movement.

The legality question is very much in play. The concept of compensation for costs vs. profit, and changing procedures for procurement of the tissue in a more whole condition are matters of fact for a court to decide.

An adult heart, or any other organ that is donated for transplant or research calls for different procedures as well. It's what is required to get the most out of the gift of organ donation. Are you against all tissue donation?

Except there is a law that states providers cannot change procedures in order to improve harvesting when it comes to fetal tissue, and a law saying the places cannot profit from it. All PP has to do is show it does not change procedures due to harvesting, and//or show the costs of the tissue recoveries vs. what they actually charge.

I saw the video's. When a hospital can charge 50 dollars for an aspirin, the numbers discussed are far from a profit making amount. I'm not aware of anything about procedure changes, but I will look into it. At first thought, I find it a little hard to describe a little extra care to preserve the integrity of the tissue as a procedure change.

 

[The Irish Ram]

In the fourth video, the abortionist strategizes about presenting this practice as "research" and avoiding saying it is a business venture. She says she needs to coordinate with the wider Planned Parenthood community to make sure they are all singing from the same page in public before she signs on to this strategy.

Obviously, the only use for the baby parts is for research. There simply is no other use for them.

It is equally obvious that one could find a way to profit handsomely from selling body parts to researchers. However, the videos do not unequivocally establish this is in fact what PP is doing.

The videos seem to indicate Planned Parenthood is using the revenues from baby part harvesting to cover the cost of all the services they provide to women. Abortions, birth control, counseling, etc.

Nonetheless, there is a moral victory here for the pro-life movement. The abortionists coldly speaking of livers, and hearts, and neural tissue, and whole brains. The sound of a cracking skull. And the devastating admission, "It's a baby."

That doesn't change what it is. A fetal death is not an infant death, and never will be.

So what is the cut off Paint? 3 mo.? 6 mo.? 9 mo.? How about 10 mo.?

A study published in the Journal of Medical Ethics argues that newborn babies have no "moral right to life," and are thus not actually "persons." Alberto Giubilini, from The University of Milan, and Francesca Minerva, a post-doctoral fellow at The University of Melbourne's Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics, are heroes of the radical left. They argue that infanticide should be legal but renamed "post-birth abortion."

They insist that newborn babies have no right to life and that parents can simply "decide" to kill their children for all sorts of reasons, including feeling like the child will be too expensive to raise, or suddenly discovering the fact that newborn babies cry a lot.

"Rather than being actual persons, newborns were potential persons," write the study authors. They don't really count as human beings until the parents decide they do

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041398_post-birth_abortion_infanticide_Melissa_Harris-Perry.html#ixzz3hObRiTxM

Pro choice is becoming pro murder more quickly than we can keep up. Here is the common core response to it:

It was also called a "fourth trimester abortion" by a clever pollster who recently took to the streets of George Mason University to find out if summertime college students would sign a petition legalizing fourth-trimester abortions. Nearly all who were asked to sign the petition did so! One of the college students even asked whether the procedure would "cause harm to the child."

Can we abort that college student?

 

[Derideo_Te]

PP does D&C procedures. The video indicates that an intact fetus would only occur if the woman had a spontaneous abortion before PP started their procedure.

Furthermore no one is "selling body parts". The payment is for storage and handling only.

Note that it is the illegal video makers who keep on bringing up the price they are willing to pay and the subject of the body parts versus an intact fetus as was noted in the OP.

This is so obviously a sting video which explains why the pro-lifers can't understand what is happening here.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

PP does D&C procedures. The video indicates that an intact fetus would only occur if the woman had a spontaneous abortion before PP started their procedure.

Furthermore no one is "selling body parts". The payment is for storage and handling only.

Note that it is the illegal video makers who keep on bringing up the price they are willing to pay and the subject of the body parts versus an intact fetus as was noted in the OP.

This is so obviously a sting video which explains why the pro-lifers can't understand what is happening here.

 

[hadit]

PP does D&C procedures. The video indicates that an intact fetus would only occur if the woman had a spontaneous abortion before PP started their procedure.

Furthermore no one is "selling body parts". The payment is for storage and handling only.

Note that it is the illegal video makers who keep on bringing up the price they are willing to pay and the subject of the body parts versus an intact fetus as was noted in the OP.

This is so obviously a sting video which explains why the pro-lifers can't understand what is happening here.

I call Barbra Streisand. Storing, transporting and handling dead baby parts costs the same no matter which parts are involved. Charging higher prices for more "desirable" parts means profit seeking.

 

[BULLDOG]

In the fourth video, the abortionist strategizes about presenting this practice as "research" and avoiding saying it is a business venture. She says she needs to coordinate with the wider Planned Parenthood community to make sure they are all singing from the same page in public before she signs on to this strategy.

Obviously, the only use for the baby parts is for research. There simply is no other use for them.

It is equally obvious that one could find a way to profit handsomely from selling body parts to researchers. However, the videos do not unequivocally establish this is in fact what PP is doing.

The videos seem to indicate Planned Parenthood is using the revenues from baby part harvesting to cover the cost of all the services they provide to women. Abortions, birth control, counseling, etc.

Nonetheless, there is a moral victory here for the pro-life movement. The abortionists coldly speaking of livers, and hearts, and neural tissue, and whole brains. The sound of a cracking skull. And the devastating admission, "It's a baby."

That doesn't change what it is. A fetal death is not an infant death, and never will be.

So what is the cut off Paint? 3 mo.? 6 mo.? 9 mo.? How about 10 mo.?

A study published in the Journal of Medical Ethics argues that newborn babies have no "moral right to life," and are thus not actually "persons." Alberto Giubilini, from The University of Milan, and Francesca Minerva, a post-doctoral fellow at The University of Melbourne's Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics, are heroes of the radical left. They argue that infanticide should be legal but renamed "post-birth abortion."

They insist that newborn babies have no right to life and that parents can simply "decide" to kill their children for all sorts of reasons, including feeling like the child will be too expensive to raise, or suddenly discovering the fact that newborn babies cry a lot.

"Rather than being actual persons, newborns were potential persons," write the study authors. They don't really count as human beings until the parents decide they do

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/041398_post-birth_abortion_infanticide_Melissa_Harris-Perry.html#ixzz3hObRiTxM

Pro choice is becoming pro murder more quickly than we can keep up. Here is the common core response to it:

It was also called a "fourth trimester abortion" by a clever pollster who recently took to the streets of George Mason University to find out if summertime college students would sign a petition legalizing fourth-trimester abortions. Nearly all who were asked to sign the petition did so! One of the college students even asked whether the procedure would "cause harm to the child."

Late term abortions, except in extreme medical need, are already outlawed.
Can we abort that college student?

 

[martybegan]

What the pro-choicers are failing to grasp is that this is not so much about the legality of what Planned Parenthood is doing, but the sheer horror of the destruction of human bodies to harvest body parts in exchange for cash.

These videos absolutely destroy the "lump of cells" smoke and mirrors. It is undeniably human. The abortionists casually discuss livers and stomachs and whole brains. And at 9:04 in this latest video, as the abortionist sifts through the body parts, she supposedly says, "It's a baby." The audio is not very clear, but if that is what she actually says, it will be a devastating admission.

Here's the deal, kids: Half of Americans self-identify as "pro-life" and half self-identify as "pro-choice". But two thirds say they are opposed to second trimester abortions.

That means even many people who consider themselves pro-choice are in disagreement with the Roe v. Wade decision.

And what we see in these videos is the murder of second trimester babies and their organs being carefully picked over and traded for cash.

So forget whether this is legal or not. These revelations will wound the pro-choice movement.

The legality question is very much in play. The concept of compensation for costs vs. profit, and changing procedures for procurement of the tissue in a more whole condition are matters of fact for a court to decide.

An adult heart, or any other organ that is donated for transplant or research calls for different procedures as well. It's what is required to get the most out of the gift of organ donation. Are you against all tissue donation?

Except there is a law that states providers cannot change procedures in order to improve harvesting when it comes to fetal tissue, and a law saying the places cannot profit from it. All PP has to do is show it does not change procedures due to harvesting, and//or show the costs of the tissue recoveries vs. what they actually charge.

I saw the video's. When a hospital can charge 50 dollars for an aspirin, the numbers discussed are far from a profit making amount. I'm not aware of anything about procedure changes, but I will look into it. At first thought, I find it a little hard to describe a little extra care to preserve the integrity of the tissue as a procedure change.

Then all they have to do is release a cost analysis.

 

[martybegan]

PP does D&C procedures. The video indicates that an intact fetus would only occur if the woman had a spontaneous abortion before PP started their procedure.

Furthermore no one is "selling body parts". The payment is for storage and handling only.

Note that it is the illegal video makers who keep on bringing up the price they are willing to pay and the subject of the body parts versus an intact fetus as was noted in the OP.

This is so obviously a sting video which explains why the pro-lifers can't understand what is happening here.

When the only thing you have is spin, you really don't have anything.

And of course it is a "sting" video, they are all "sting videos", which are being released both edited and unedited.

Or is undercover video investigations only OK when your side does them?

 

[BULLDOG]

What the pro-choicers are failing to grasp is that this is not so much about the legality of what Planned Parenthood is doing, but the sheer horror of the destruction of human bodies to harvest body parts in exchange for cash.

These videos absolutely destroy the "lump of cells" smoke and mirrors. It is undeniably human. The abortionists casually discuss livers and stomachs and whole brains. And at 9:04 in this latest video, as the abortionist sifts through the body parts, she supposedly says, "It's a baby." The audio is not very clear, but if that is what she actually says, it will be a devastating admission.

Here's the deal, kids: Half of Americans self-identify as "pro-life" and half self-identify as "pro-choice". But two thirds say they are opposed to second trimester abortions.

That means even many people who consider themselves pro-choice are in disagreement with the Roe v. Wade decision.

And what we see in these videos is the murder of second trimester babies and their organs being carefully picked over and traded for cash.

So forget whether this is legal or not. These revelations will wound the pro-choice movement.

The legality question is very much in play. The concept of compensation for costs vs. profit, and changing procedures for procurement of the tissue in a more whole condition are matters of fact for a court to decide.

An adult heart, or any other organ that is donated for transplant or research calls for different procedures as well. It's what is required to get the most out of the gift of organ donation. Are you against all tissue donation?

Except there is a law that states providers cannot change procedures in order to improve harvesting when it comes to fetal tissue, and a law saying the places cannot profit from it. All PP has to do is show it does not change procedures due to harvesting, and//or show the costs of the tissue recoveries vs. what they actually charge.

I saw the video's. When a hospital can charge 50 dollars for an aspirin, the numbers discussed are far from a profit making amount. I'm not aware of anything about procedure changes, but I will look into it. At first thought, I find it a little hard to describe a little extra care to preserve the integrity of the tissue as a procedure change.

Then all they have to do is release a cost analysis.

Tissue donation is highly regulate, and has been for a long time. I'm sure that those things are regularly evaluated for the entire medical tissue donation community. Otherwise, you would have livers being sold regularly on EBay. .

 

[BULLDOG]

PP does D&C procedures. The video indicates that an intact fetus would only occur if the woman had a spontaneous abortion before PP started their procedure.

Furthermore no one is "selling body parts". The payment is for storage and handling only.

Note that it is the illegal video makers who keep on bringing up the price they are willing to pay and the subject of the body parts versus an intact fetus as was noted in the OP.

This is so obviously a sting video which explains why the pro-lifers can't understand what is happening here.

When the only thing you have is spin, you really don't have anything.

And of course it is a "sting" video, they are all "sting videos", which are being released both edited and unedited.

Or is undercover video investigations only OK when your side does them?

I haven't seen very many sting video's by democrats . You got a link to them?