Guy, i'm not even going to treat this as a serious comment. Just because you call prostitution "Sex slavery" doesn't make it so.
Guy, I distinguished between "pimp" and "slave owner". Guy, prostitution exists in this country despite being illegal. Guy, we apparently agree on this fact. Guy, slavery - both sexual and non - exists in this country despite being illegal as well. Are you actually arguing that second point, guy?
I've never praised her. I would even go so far to say that Roe isn't a particularly good decision, and that the issue SHOULD have been left to the political process, where we'd probably be at the same place we are at now. That said, Roe was a recognition that the laws that existed in 1973 were largely ignored by women and their doctors, which is why the courts struck them down, regardless of whose (psuedo)name was on the paperwork. .
So you won't be arguing that it's great and worth defending then, guy?
I wouldn't presume to tell a woman how to handle her health issues unless I was asked. And probably n ot even then. It isn't my place. And it isn't yours. That's the whole point of being 'Pro-Choice".
The difference between us, guy, involves the fact that you see this practice as being about women's healthcare and I don't. Guy, you see the baby growing within her as a thing to be removed. Guy, you've even said so. I'm just quoting you at this point, guy. I see him, guy, as a baby growing within her. Again, guy, if you seriously want to debate this point, then debate it with a pregnant woman. Guy, offer to free her from her slavery with a swift kick to the uterus and watch her inevitable reaction.
Again, that isn't my choice or your choice. It's the choice of the woman it is inside of.
Guy, another facet of the difference between us is that you think of filicide as a mother's sacred right and choice to correct her mistake and I just can't see a child as a mistake or killing the child you didn't meant to create as a cheap and practical solution. Guy, if you strip out everything else - all of the rhetoric and thought terminating cliches and - and look at the issue itself, that's exactly what this disagreement comes down to. Why we see it differently will be touched on in your next point, guy.
It's not "misanthropy", it's simple math. The planet has 8 billion humans on it, and the ecosystem was never meant to support 8 billion people. If all 8 billion of them lived like Americans, instead of the grinding poverty most of them live in, we'd need three planets to support them. (and right now, we only have one. Where are those spaceships I was promised as a kid!)
Guy, this is pretty much what the difference between us is in one point. You, guy, see people as numbers and I see them as kinsmen pretty much the same as myself. Guy, you see culling a few as the obvious solution to ballooning overpopulation, and I see it as a selfish and sociopathic attempt on your part to exacerbate demographic collapse one little body at a time. Guy, I really hope you realize you're exactly why I'm keeping my kids the hell away from the lot of you. The safety of myself and my family, guy, was the only reason I asked if you're still allowed on base. Yes, guy, the things you say and do really do show me that you would do it at this point.
Or not. Here was the thing. The alternative for her would have been dropping out of college to raise a kid she didn't want, and getting into a long protracted legal fight with my now Ex-Buddy for child support. Sorry, seems like ******* up a lot of people's lives for a bit of tissue the size of a kidney bean.
Guy, it's kind of off topic, but it's still an interesting historical fact. Did you know, guy, that Dr. Seuss (the one of children's literature fame) threatened to sue a pro-life group for printing "a person's a person no matter how small", attributed to him, on their letterhead? I just thought it was interesting, guy; it kind of reminded me of Orson Scott Card spending his life writing books about how we should be tolerant of differences and then turning around and bashing gays and threatening to start a civil war over a black president. It's weird how hypocritical people can be, guy.
Fetuses aren't people. It's not that big of a deal.
Guy, you know what's interesting about what you just said? Guy, replace "fetuses" with literally any other group and see what it looks like. Guy, your (blank) aren't people anyway so it's not that big a deal if we make some money off them" argument has never worked long term. Your forebears did manage to create structures to enable behavior like that for a time, guy, but they never lasted.
Uh, no. There are laws against filing false tax returns, false representation and taping people against their permission FOR A REASON. And they are there pretty much to keep people from doign what these fanatics did.
Guy, they didn't make laws against filing false tax returns to keep people from investigating Planned Parenthood. Guy, what they did do is create a legal system that examines evidence to reach conclusions. Guy, your people did an amazing job of in subverting that legal system and the basic American values it's built upon to protect yourselves though. Great job, guy.
Actually, dude, I think you are the one coming off here as a little unbalanced.
Guy, you actually need to fall back on "well you just hate women" or "you're insane" or "**** you" to prove your point. Guy, that typically indicates that you don't really have one.
Guy, the full tapes are available along with the summarized tapes. Guy, I posted all four full versions of the released tapes previously. Guy, it's very telling that your people refuses to acknowledge their existence, preferring to solely address the summary versions. Guy, I guess it's just more convenient?
Guy, she speaks very directly about how they have to speak indirectly to avoid giving anyone the impression they're doing anything shady. Guy, she came out and said they're careful to word things just so.
