FORT HOOD: Now that I took Obama's advice and didn't jump to conclusions I think.....

[Againsheila]

In defining it as 'non-military', I think the key is if the attacker and the target are engaged in combat of any sort. A military base can certainly be the target of a terrorist attack.

How do you define combat?

An engagement between two (or more) forces. I wouldn't consider a taliban ambush against our troops to be a terrorist attack, but rather a guerrilla action. In this case the attacker wasn't someone we were engaged with, even if it turns out he did sympathize with those we're fighting against. If the attack on base had been carried out by an anti-war radical, it would have been considered terrorism, no question.

Apparently he is an anti war radical, an anti war with Muslims radical.....didn't you see his power point? He doesn't believe Muslims in our military should ever be called on to kill other Muslims....pretty radical for someone that VOLUNTEERED for service.

 

[saveliberty]

This an is anti-terrorism move by the US:

Feds move to seize 4 mosques, tower linked to Iran - Yahoo! News

How is it that these people are terrorists, but Col. Allah Akbar is not?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Who shot him down is much less of a concern to me than who ignored the glaring warning signs.

and this has happened with other people going over the edge.....people knew,did nothing and passed the ball to someone else,who did the same.....and then when he finally explodes....everyone involved with the individual will be doing what they can to cover their ass,while pointing a finger at the other guy.....

 

[Ravi]

Who shot him down is much less of a concern to me than who ignored the glaring warning signs.

and this has happened with other people going over the edge.....people knew,did nothing and passed the ball to someone else,who did the same.....and then when he finally explodes....everyone involved with the individual will be doing what they can to cover their ass,while pointing a finger at the other guy.....

Yep...a massive clusterfuck of cya.

 

[immto]

I can understand it being called a terrorist attack even though he attacked a military target ... the guy's motives were pretty clear but without a conspiracy I still think he's a lone nutter.

I think he acted alone, too.

I also think he was influenced by other nutters who think just like him.

As for the terrorism issue, I would contend that if the target is military, it isn't terrorism. Terrorism is defined as:

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

WordNet Search - 3.0

We need to differentiate between terrorism and guerilla warfare... and traditional warfare. The only reason people are attaching the word terrorism to this loon is the fact that he is a Muslim and yelled "Allah Akbar". Was the loon on the LIRR, Colin Ferguson, a terrorist?

My opinion is if it look's like a dog, and barks like a dog, it's a dog. Course, we shouldn't jump to conclusions like Obama did when he pre-judged that Cop and then invited him over for some cold suds. ~BH

You can have whatever opinion you want. But words have meaning.

Chaging those meanings because you feel like?

Puleeze...

And as for the unnecessary and stupid snipe...

piss off.

and I say that in the nicest possible way.

Liberal Dribble...

 

[immto]

There are a lot of people who have some 'splainin' to do.

Yes, yes they do.

I saw an interview with her yesterday...Funny she didn't mention that.


Maybe everything happened so fast that no one was sure who shot who.

In a fire fight everything happens at light speed and with all the shots it would have been hard to know for sure at the time if there was more than one person in shooting position.

 

[immto]

I don't understand their reasoning. Wasn't Hassan actively trying to get the hell out? How could they appear anti-Muslim if he they were giving him what he wanted? Or do I have my time table mixed up?

I think their reluctance to let him out is that they sent him through medical school - pretty big investment. I don't think they want to spend that kinda money on a guy only to have him flake out on his end of the deal. Maybe they thought he was just trying to use them to get his degree, bolt on them, and open up his profitable private practice.

Were they reluctant to let him out? I don't know if Hassan was trying to get out. Art15 might be correct about that. If he was, they should have let him out and gotten him to pay them back for his education.

When your in, you are by contract property of the U.S. You don't just ask, please sir, may I leave now, I've grown so board with your little army here. I wish to explore more gainful employ killing children and civilians. When you make a commitant to serve, you serve. The Military doesn't take kindly to those who change their mind.

 

[Navy1960]

Any officer can resign his or her commision once they have fulfilled their obligation to the Military. In the Maj. case if he had contracted to 8 years after his Medical school training, then after that time he could resign his commision. Now, if the Maj. had really wanted out of the Military and was completely against the deployment(s) in Islamic nations then the Maj. could have easily written a letter to the President, Vice-President, or any number of people in the command structure what would have resulted in an Article 88 and his being dismissed as a reselt of a court martial.

Article 88 states, “any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

However, the Maj. made the choice to to work in the shadows and make his postings known on the internet according to the news. This man had no intention AT ALL of wanting to leave the Military based on some moral principle. the facts are comming out and they speak clearly as to what the Maj. is and what he his intentions were and that can be boiled down to this, terrorist.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Any officer can resign his or her commision once they have fulfilled their obligation to the Military. In the Maj. case if he had contracted to 8 years after his Medical school training, then after that time he could resign his commision. Now, if the Maj. had really wanted out of the Military and was completely against the deployment(s) in Islamic nations then the Maj. could have easily written a letter to the President, Vice-President, or any number of people in the command structure what would have resulted in an Article 88 and his being dismissed as a reselt of a court martial.

Article 88 states, “any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

However, the Maj. made the choice to to work in the shadows and make his postings known on the internet according to the news. This man had no intention AT ALL of wanting to leave the Military based on some moral principle. the facts are comming out and they speak clearly as to what the Maj. is and what he his intentions were and that can be boiled down to this, terrorist.

Thats a great point.

If people weren't too busy looking the other way and actually followed the regulations on the books they could have prevented this by booting him for his internet postings (imagine that sounds like the financial meltdown problem to....if govt officials weren't too corrupt and looking the other way and botherd to enforce the regulations our economy would not have hit the crapper)

 

[nodoginnafight]

Any officer can resign his or her commision once they have fulfilled their obligation to the Military. In the Maj. case if he had contracted to 8 years after his Medical school training, then after that time he could resign his commision. Now, if the Maj. had really wanted out of the Military and was completely against the deployment(s) in Islamic nations then the Maj. could have easily written a letter to the President, Vice-President, or any number of people in the command structure what would have resulted in an Article 88 and his being dismissed as a reselt of a court martial.

Article 88 states, “any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

However, the Maj. made the choice to to work in the shadows and make his postings known on the internet according to the news. This man had no intention AT ALL of wanting to leave the Military based on some moral principle. the facts are comming out and they speak clearly as to what the Maj. is and what he his intentions were and that can be boiled down to this, terrorist.

Thats a great point.

If people weren't too busy looking the other way and actually followed the regulations on the books they could have prevented this by booting him for his internet postings (imagine that sounds like the financial meltdown problem to....if govt officials weren't too corrupt and looking the other way and botherd to enforce the regulations our economy would not have hit the crapper)

But I think we also have to consider that these folks didn't have the benefit of hindsight as we do

 

[Annie]

Any officer can resign his or her commision once they have fulfilled their obligation to the Military. In the Maj. case if he had contracted to 8 years after his Medical school training, then after that time he could resign his commision. Now, if the Maj. had really wanted out of the Military and was completely against the deployment(s) in Islamic nations then the Maj. could have easily written a letter to the President, Vice-President, or any number of people in the command structure what would have resulted in an Article 88 and his being dismissed as a reselt of a court martial.

Article 88 states, “any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the governor or legislature of any state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

However, the Maj. made the choice to to work in the shadows and make his postings known on the internet according to the news. This man had no intention AT ALL of wanting to leave the Military based on some moral principle. the facts are comming out and they speak clearly as to what the Maj. is and what he his intentions were and that can be boiled down to this, terrorist.

Thats a great point.

If people weren't too busy looking the other way and actually followed the regulations on the books they could have prevented this by booting him for his internet postings (imagine that sounds like the financial meltdown problem to....if govt officials weren't too corrupt and looking the other way and botherd to enforce the regulations our economy would not have hit the crapper)

But I think we also have to consider that these folks didn't have the benefit of hindsight as we do

That's BS. If someone I worked with or on the boards posted that ppt., I'd at least forward it to FBI. It seems that quite a few that were in 'grand rounds' with him, did just that or went to his superior. Seems said superior agreed that it was 'way off' but still approved it, didn't want to be 'intolerant.' That attitude has to go.

 

[Emma]

That's BS. If someone I worked with or on the boards posted that ppt., I'd at least forward it to FBI. It seems that quite a few that were in 'grand rounds' with him, did just that or went to his superior. Seems said superior agreed that it was 'way off' but still approved it, didn't want to be 'intolerant.' That attitude has to go.

I've only seen one person interviewed (repeatedly) on this. Has something come out recently naming others who complained?

 

[Annie]

That's BS. If someone I worked with or on the boards posted that ppt., I'd at least forward it to FBI. It seems that quite a few that were in 'grand rounds' with him, did just that or went to his superior. Seems said superior agreed that it was 'way off' but still approved it, didn't want to be 'intolerant.' That attitude has to go.

I've only seen one person interviewed (repeatedly) on this. Has something come out recently naming others who complained?

In truth Emma, may have only been one. I really don't know and am not in the mindset of searching this. Truth is, if only one it should have raised more than a few flags, if you saw the ppt and the subject that was supposed to be addressed in grand rounds. Not a joke. Deadly serious in this case, just ask the family, friends, and colleagues of the fallen.

 

[Emma]

That's BS. If someone I worked with or on the boards posted that ppt., I'd at least forward it to FBI. It seems that quite a few that were in 'grand rounds' with him, did just that or went to his superior. Seems said superior agreed that it was 'way off' but still approved it, didn't want to be 'intolerant.' That attitude has to go.

I've only seen one person interviewed (repeatedly) on this. Has something come out recently naming others who complained?

In truth Emma, may have only been one. I really don't know and am not in the mindset of searching this. Truth is, if only one it should have raised more than a few flags, if you saw the ppt and the subject that was supposed to be addressed in grand rounds. Not a joke. Deadly serious in this case, just ask the family, friends, and colleagues of the fallen.

I'm more concerned about what came out (yesterday?) that his superiors at Walter Reed recognized he was cracking.

 

[dilloduck]

I've only seen one person interviewed (repeatedly) on this. Has something come out recently naming others who complained?

In truth Emma, may have only been one. I really don't know and am not in the mindset of searching this. Truth is, if only one it should have raised more than a few flags, if you saw the ppt and the subject that was supposed to be addressed in grand rounds. Not a joke. Deadly serious in this case, just ask the family, friends, and colleagues of the fallen.

I'm more concerned about what came out (yesterday?) that his superiors at Walter Reed recognized he was cracking.

Even civilian Docs aint crazy about turning each other in.

 

[immto]

We were discussing that before and were trying to figure out if them not being on active duty made a difference.

What did we all agree on again guys? Did we decide it was domestic terrorism or was it just that he was a doucebag traitor?

Whether they were active duty or not is irrelevant, IMO. They were getting prepared to deploy.

Thanks for the input bro.

This thread rocks today!!! Thanks to all of you for not acting like this below

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comic relief over


EDIT: Please don't start now

Where did you find that video of Keith Olberman playing with Rachel Maddow and Chris Stewart?

 

[immto]

I think most everyone here will now agree that there is plenty of evidence to show this nut job had some serious issues and acted in the name of islam or his interpatation of islam. I've read all the posts in this thread and it seems everyone is pretty set in arguing over minor details. Was it treason, was it terrorism by definition, does it count that he attacked soldiers on a base, did he act alone. blah blah blah....

All of those questions are fine to ask when trying to figure out how to stop it from happening again but the fact is it did happen.

He killed people and claimed to be doing so in the name of his god.

Call it what you will by whichever definition you want to use.

The guy is scumbag and I hope we get to see him pay. I don't care if they lock him up in dark hole, hang him, shoot him or cut off his head and feed it to a pack of wild liberals. (Animals need to eat to)

There is no more jumping to conclusions, he needs to pay for it and if you don't agree with that, you're on the wrong side of the argument.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Yeah he was a terrorist just like McVeigh, well except for their religious choices.

 

[Claudette]

AFter getting all the facts and carefull consideration my conclusion is that this dirtbag is a TERRORIST. He was in contact with terrorists and I'm sure they had lots to discuss.

This guy is American born and a citizen of the US. Therefore he deserves a trial before they execute his sorry ass.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

AFter getting all the facts and carefull consideration my conclusion is that this dirtbag is a TERRORIST. He was in contact with terrorists and I'm sure they had lots to discuss.

This guy is American born and a citizen of the US. Therefore he deserves a trial before they execute his sorry ass.

I have nothing to disagree with in your post.