For those of you who just...don't...get...it

[no1tovote4]

Actually, my opposition to Bush is well reasoned, based upon his record and rooted in observation of his actions over the years. Nothing unreasoning about it.

But as y'all really feel uncomfortable trying to justify the actions of he and his administration, it's only expected that you resort to changing the subject and attacking a critic. Y'all are gonna go and make me think you actually have consciences if you aren't careful.

No it isn't. Clearly you ignore the fact that the Bush administration only has authorized sleep deprivation and agressive questioning, not torture. As by the definition in this Convention there is no violation. Therefore not only are we not violating the Convention, but even though we are not bound by it we are following it.

Those who have stepped across that line have been or are being prosecuted. Therefore once again they are following the Convention they are not bound by. Amazingly though you cannot see the truth through your Anti-Bush glasses and only spout the same thing over and over again, regardless of fact. If it doesn't fit your fantasy, it must not be true.

By attempting to convince yourself you are well reasoned while at the same time ignoring actual evidence that shows your assertions to be lies it is clearly a sign that your bias is working against reason.

 

[Mr. P]

No it isn't. Clearly you ignore the fact that the Bush administration only has authorized sleep deprivation and agressive questioning, not torture. As by the definition in this Convention there is no violation. Therefore not only are we not violating the Convention, but even though we are not bound by it we are following it.

Those who have stepped across that line have been or are being prosecuted. Therefore once again they are following the Convention they are not bound by. Amazingly though you cannot see the truth through your Anti-Bush glasses and only spout the same thing over and over again, regardless of fact. If it doesn't fit your fantasy, it must not be true.

By attempting to convince yourself you are well reasoned while at the same time ignoring actual evidence that shows your assertions to be lies it is clearly a sign that your bias is working against reason.

100% correct No1.

 

[OCA]

Getting head in the OVal Office IS NOT the moral equivalent of waging a war of aggression on a pretext of lies.

Now, why doncha give yer ears a little tug and pop yer head outta yer ass. Of course as full of crap as you are, the results might be disasterously messy.

Have a nice day,

Hey asshole is bombing innocent people on the day of your IMPEACHMENT just to take the heat off yourself equivalent? Or is a proven beyond shadow of a doubt conspiracy of lies and calculated moves to thwart the legal system equivalent?

Bubba admittedly and was proved to have done both these, Bush has done nothing but make bad judgements on faulty intelligence and is guilty of not fighting the war in Irag fiercely enough, in other words he is guilty of falling prey to anti-American liberals such as yourself.

 

[Bonnie]

The US may not be legally bound by the convention, but as a nation which promotes the ideals of freedom and democracy, we are morally bound to abide by the convention. It's the Christian thing to do.

Oh so NOW, when it suits your political agenda you want to dredge up Christianity??????????

Bush's first obligation is to protect our citizens first and foremost, he is the Commander in Chief. His allegiance is to his country first. Bush is not ordering torture, sleep deprivation and loud music do not constitute TORTURE!

 

[Bonnie]

Hey asshole is bombing innocent people on the day of your IMPEACHMENT just to take the heat off yourself equivalent? Or is a proven beyond shadow of a doubt conspiracy of lies and calculated moves to thwart the legal system equivalent?

Bubba admittedly and was proved to have done both these, Bush has done nothing but make bad judgements on faulty intelligence and is guilty of not fighting the war in Irag fiercely enough, in other words he is guilty of falling prey to anti-American liberals such as yourself.

Not to mention Bubbas blow job in the oval office as our soldiers were getting dragged through the streets, because he sent them in without enough firepower...............

 

[Bullypulpit]

No it isn't. Clearly you ignore the fact that the Bush administration only has authorized sleep deprivation and agressive questioning, not torture. As by the definition in this Convention there is no violation. Therefore not only are we not violating the Convention, but even though we are not bound by it we are following it.

Those who have stepped across that line have been or are being prosecuted. Therefore once again they are following the Convention they are not bound by. Amazingly though you cannot see the truth through your Anti-Bush glasses and only spout the same thing over and over again, regardless of fact. If it doesn't fit your fantasy, it must not be true.

By attempting to convince yourself you are well reasoned while at the same time ignoring actual evidence that shows your assertions to be lies it is clearly a sign that your bias is working against reason.

The fact of the matter is that memos coming from, and vetted by, Alberto Gonzalez define tortue as pain equal to organ failure or death. These memos passed to the military's intelligence working group and policies were generated that resulted in Abu Ghraib. The enlisted files that are being prosecuted are simply the scapegoats.

As for not being bound by the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh's administration is the first administration since the Geneva convention was implemented to dispense with the Convention. The Convention protections were even honored for the Viet Cong. In abandoning the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh and his merry band have only endangered our troops, not made them safer.

I would suggest that it is you who should take off your rose-colored glasses and really look at what this Administration is doing. Wake up and smell the coffee...Else you'll wake up smelling the ashes.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The fact of the matter is that memos coming from, and vetted by, Alberto Gonzalez define tortue as pain equal to organ failure or death. These memos passed to the military's intelligence working group and policies were generated that resulted in Abu Ghraib. The enlisted files that are being prosecuted are simply the scapegoats.

As for not being bound by the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh's administration is the first administration since the Geneva convention was implemented to dispense with the Convention. The Convention protections were even honored for the Viet Cong. In abandoning the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh and his merry band have only endangered our troops, not made them safer.

I would suggest that it is you who should take off your rose-colored glasses and really look at what this Administration is doing. Wake up and smell the coffee...Else you'll wake up smelling the ashes.

Terrorists dressing as civilians are not entitled Geneva protection, dillweed.

 

[Mr. P]

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As for not being bound by the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh's administration is the first administration since the Geneva convention was implemented to dispense with the Convention. The Convention protections were even honored for the Viet Cong. In abandoning the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh and his merry band have only endangered our troops, not made them safer.

Bully, ya don't know what the hell you're talkin about.
Does this fall into the Geneva Convention....as you say we followed in Vietnam?
Holding a Vietcong prisoner out of a helicopter door at about 1000 feet with his hands
bound to get information? It happened...You don't have a f'king clue pal!

I would suggest that it is you who should take off your rose-colored glasses and really look at what this Administration is doing. Wake up and smell the coffee...Else you'll wake up smelling the ashes.

I would suggest you take your own advise. Cept you need to take off the fuckin liberal anti- Bush
blinders.

 

[manu1959]

As for not being bound by the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh's administration is the first administration since the Geneva convention was implemented to dispense with the Convention. The Convention protections were even honored for the Viet Cong. In abandoning the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh and his merry band have only endangered our troops, not made them safer.

you are so misinformed my head hurts...

are you saying john mccain was treated according to the geneva convention by the viet cong?

have you read the geneva convention and the rules which state that you must be in uniform and fighting for a country and there are rules by which you must fight and if you do not comply with these rules then you are not protected by the geneva convention thus....plain clothes, no country and behadings = open season on your ass....

 

[Johnney]

why should we abide by it? <i>they</i> arent and no one seems to care

 

[freeandfun1]

I wonder if in GWI, when we fed the starving Iraqi POWs only the pork MRE's, that was "cruel and unusual punishment"....

 

[no1tovote4]

The fact of the matter is that memos coming from, and vetted by, Alberto Gonzalez define tortue as pain equal to organ failure or death. These memos passed to the military's intelligence working group and policies were generated that resulted in Abu Ghraib. The enlisted files that are being prosecuted are simply the scapegoats.

As for not being bound by the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh's administration is the first administration since the Geneva convention was implemented to dispense with the Convention. The Convention protections were even honored for the Viet Cong. In abandoning the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh and his merry band have only endangered our troops, not made them safer.

I would suggest that it is you who should take off your rose-colored glasses and really look at what this Administration is doing. Wake up and smell the coffee...Else you'll wake up smelling the ashes.

Who said anything about the Geneva Convention? This thread is about a whole different Convention altogether that the US is not violating. Also this Administration has repeatedly declared that the POWs in Iraq fall under the Geneva Convention, this is why people are being prosecuted for their actions at Abu Ghraib as well as other sites.

You, however, are talking about this specific Convention and I answered with truth that has become clearly evident. The Convention you cite calls for those breaking the laws to be made against torture to be prosecuted, the US is doing so. The Convention you cite spells out specifically what torture is, and nothing the Administration has authorized crosses that line. The Administration has been clear what limits they have set. Some memos from Judges do not a Military Policy make. Those that crossed the line are being or will be prosecuted.

You ache so bad for something to stick to this Administration you come up with odd schemes where Judges are making Military Policy? I remember my chain of command, there wasn't even one Judge in it. People in the military may have taken this under advisement but they would set their own policy. Policy is written and documented if there was a policy of torture then it would be documented. Since no such document exists to date you have no evidence of your conspiracy theory, in fact all the evidence points the other direction.

 

[Bullypulpit]

you are so misinformed my head hurts...

are you saying john mccain was treated according to the geneva convention by the viet cong?

have you read the geneva convention and the rules which state that you must be in uniform and fighting for a country and there are rules by which you must fight and if you do not comply with these rules then you are not protected by the geneva convention thus....plain clothes, no country and behadings = open season on your ass....

Your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff, is it? US VC prisoners were accorded the protections of the Geneva Conventions even if the VC did not do so for US POW's.

 

[Mr. P]

This is great!

Bullys' first load of Dog Poop was the breach of a convention that isn't a breach at all.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=224023&postcount=1
Then, the if we hadn't of elected Bush..everything would be okay....and no one has the solution
bag of crap.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225406&postcount=37
Then he refreshed the bag and tossed it to the religious folk..That didn't work either.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225408&postcount=38
Now he changes the poop and goes for a totally different Convention, The Geneva Convention.
That didn't work either...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=225728&postcount=47

I can't wait to see what the next bag of poop he may toss is.
The funniest thing is that it's Bully, that "just...don't...get...it".

 

[manu1959]

Your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff, is it? US VC prisoners were accorded the protections of the Geneva Conventions even if the VC did not do so for US POW's.

i will refrain from insults, ironic that you can't when harping about the treatment of others..... in any event you now wish to discuss the moral and ethical traetment of VC prisoners by the US .... ok lets see...please direct me to the the section of the genevea convention where you are allowed:

shoot everyone in a village

or how about

toss people out of helicopters one at a time until the someone talks

or did you miss that day a liberal indoctrination camp

 

[Avatar4321]

As for not being bound by the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh's administration is the first administration since the Geneva convention was implemented to dispense with the Convention. The Convention protections were even honored for the Viet Cong. In abandoning the Geneva Convention, Dubbyuh and his merry band have only endangered our troops, not made them safer.

Bully this is the dumbest statement ive ever heard. Tell me do you really think the terrorists we are fighting give one wit about the Geneva Convention? Heck no they are going to treat any soldiers they capture as prisoners like they did all the civilians they captured, they are going to chop there heads off. Since the terrorists dont follow the Geneva convention how are our troops in more danger because we dont believe the GC applies to terrorists? How would our troops safer if we did extend the GC to terrorists?

 

[Avatar4321]

Your reading comprehension isn't up to snuff, is it? US VC prisoners were accorded the protections of the Geneva Conventions even if the VC did not do so for US POW's.

You are missing his point. How are our troops protected by the Geneva convetion with the terrorists dont obey it? How are our troops endanged if we dont give terrorists Geneva convention protection? They dont obey it. They wouldnt obey it if we did give it to them. Who is more in danger by us not following the convention in regards to terrorist other than the terrorists?

 

[OCA]

Hey asshole is bombing innocent people on the day of your IMPEACHMENT just to take the heat off yourself equivalent? Or is a proven beyond shadow of a doubt conspiracy of lies and calculated moves to thwart the legal system equivalent?

Bubba admittedly and was proved to have done both these, Bush has done nothing but make bad judgements on faulty intelligence and is guilty of not fighting the war in Irag fiercely enough, in other words he is guilty of falling prey to anti-American liberals such as yourself.

He won't answer this because he's a sorry yellow bellied anti-American fuckwad.