For the Ron Paul supporters :eusa_angel:

[cutter]

Anybody wanting nutty Uncle Ron to get the nomination, must REALLY love Barack Hussein Obama.

Are you saying you would vote for obama if Paul gets the nomination?

 

[Wicked Jester]

Anybody wanting nutty Uncle Ron to get the nomination, must REALLY love Barack Hussein Obama.

Are you saying you would vote for obama if Paul gets the nomination?

Hell no!.........Most americans fully understad just how nuts Paul is. They will not vote at all if Paul is the nominee. And then we are stuck with four more years of absolute disaster.

I would write in Rubio if it came down to Paul being the nominee........I just couldn't "hold my nose and vote" if it were Paul.

Paul's just downright dangerous.

But then, he won't be around, so, there's really no need to even worry about it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Anybody wanting nutty Uncle Ron to get the nomination, must REALLY love Barack Hussein Obama.

Are you saying you would vote for obama if Paul gets the nomination?

Hell no!.........Most americans fully understad just how nuts Paul is. They will not vote at all if Paul is the nominee. And then we are stuck with four more years of absolute disaster.

I would write in Rubio if it came down to Paul being the nominee........I just couldn't "hold my nose and vote" if it were Paul.

Paul's just downright dangerous.

But then, he won't be around, so, there's really no need to even worry about it.

How is Paul dangerous?


Marco Rubio on the issues
Marco Rubio on the Issues
2nd Amendment is a cornerstone of our democracy. (Feb 2010)
Opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms. (Aug 2010)
Rated B+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Aug 2010)

If he opposes restriction on the right to bear arms. why did the NRA give him a B+ something isa miss here.
Ron Paul on the issues
Ron Paul on the Issues

 

[Wicked Jester]

Are you saying you would vote for obama if Paul gets the nomination?

Hell no!.........Most americans fully understad just how nuts Paul is. They will not vote at all if Paul is the nominee. And then we are stuck with four more years of absolute disaster.

I would write in Rubio if it came down to Paul being the nominee........I just couldn't "hold my nose and vote" if it were Paul.

Paul's just downright dangerous.

But then, he won't be around, so, there's really no need to even worry about it.

How is Paul dangerous?


Marco Rubio on the issues
Marco Rubio on the Issues
2nd Amendment is a cornerstone of our democracy. (Feb 2010)
Opposes restrictions on the right to bear arms. (Aug 2010)
Rated B+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Aug 2010)

If he opposes restriction on the right to bear arms. why did the NRA give him a B+ something isa miss here.
Ron Paul on the issues
Ron Paul on the Issues

Come on reb, all you have to do is listen to Paul to know he's not all there.

Christ, he gets asked a question about gay marriage, and before you know it, he's babbling about his asinine foreign policy, and blaming the US for all the worlds woes.....Shades of Obama?...you bet.

We saw very clearly the mindset of the man when he made his ridiculous comments about Iran and nukes.

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view, and the fact that he seems to think our world view is the same as it was back when Paul Revere was riding the streets on horseback. Or the fact that he seems to just go off on babbling tangents that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed?

The man is dangerous. I'm not sure if it has to do with the fact that he's just plain nuts, or his age is catching up with him mind wise......I happen to think it's a combination of both.

He needs to just stay in congress where he definitely does good things domestically for his constituents. He in no way should be put on the world stage. We have too much at stake.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocG6qot3x94&feature=feedlik]Ron Paul gets to give indepth answers without some hack interrupting - YouTube[/ame]

 

[dblack]

Come on reb, all you have to do is listen to Paul to know he's not all there.

Christ, he gets asked a question about gay marriage, and before you know it, he's babbling about his asinine foreign policy, and blaming the US for all the worlds woes.....Shades of Obama?...you bet.

We saw very clearly the mindset of the man when he made his ridiculous comments about Iran and nukes.

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view, and the fact that he seems to think our world view is the same as it was back when Paul Revere was riding the streets on horseback. Or the fact that he seems to just go off on babbling tangents that have nothing to do with the topic being discussed?

The man is dangerous. I'm not sure if it has to do with the fact that he's just plain nuts, or his age is catching up with him mind wise......I happen to think it's a combination of both.

He needs to just stay in congress where he definitely does good things domestically for his constituents. He in no way should be put on the world stage. We have too much at stake.

Good. Now you know how we feel. To me, it's equally obvious that Perry is a whack job. He's an evangelical nutter and authoritarian to the core. I will vote independent or Libertarian if Perry wins the nomination and hope that it prevents him from winning the election.

The one thing I agree on is that, from Perry's point of view, Ron Paul is dangerous. He stand in direct opposition to everything the Republican/Democrat establishment stands for - and he intends to undo their death grip on our government. He may be tilting at windmills but I refuse to support the authoritarian regimes any longer.

 

[Contumacious]

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view,

You are so right man.

We need a strong leader with a Teutonic Accent:

.As always Heil Hitler.

.

 

[JWBooth]

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view, and the fact that he seems to think our world view is the same as it was back when...

Absolutely not. We need a leader with a clear vision and no hesitation to impose our will on all the lesser peoples of the globe.

 

[dblack]

was that a double Godwin???

 

[Wicked Jester]

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view, and the fact that he seems to think our world view is the same as it was back when...

Absolutely not. We need a leader with a clear vision and no hesitation to impose our will on all the lesser peoples of the globe.

We need a leader who isn't a complete fuckin' nutjob....Therefore, Ron Paul needs to pack it up, and go back home where he belongs.

Christ, it's bad enough we have a VP who is a total embarrasment to this great country.....The last thing we need is a President who actually makes Biden seem normal in comparison.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view, and the fact that he seems to think our world view is the same as it was back when...

Absolutely not. We need a leader with a clear vision and no hesitation to impose our will on all the lesser peoples of the globe.

We need a leader who isn't a complete fuckin' nutjob....Therefore, Ron Paul needs to pack it up, and go back home where he belongs.

Christ, it's bad enough we have a VP who is a total embarrasment to this great country.....The last thing we need is a President who actually makes Biden seem normal in comparison.

Jester buddy here's were we disagree. Listen to Paul in the last video I posted. I don't hear what you hear coming from him at least not in that video.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Absolutely not. We need a leader with a clear vision and no hesitation to impose our will on all the lesser peoples of the globe.

We need a leader who isn't a complete fuckin' nutjob....Therefore, Ron Paul needs to pack it up, and go back home where he belongs.

Christ, it's bad enough we have a VP who is a total embarrasment to this great country.....The last thing we need is a President who actually makes Biden seem normal in comparison.

Jester buddy here's were we disagree. Listen to Paul in the last video I posted. I don't hear what you hear coming from him at least not in that video.

Trying to reason with the unreasonable is an exercise in futility.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We need a leader who isn't a complete fuckin' nutjob....Therefore, Ron Paul needs to pack it up, and go back home where he belongs.

Christ, it's bad enough we have a VP who is a total embarrasment to this great country.....The last thing we need is a President who actually makes Biden seem normal in comparison.

Jester buddy here's were we disagree. Listen to Paul in the last video I posted. I don't hear what you hear coming from him at least not in that video.

Trying to reason with the unreasonable is an exercise in futility.

Jester isn't unreasonable. He has heard something from Paul that makes him feel the way he does. I can't see it but Jester will point it out.

 

[Jroc]

Anybody wanting nutty Uncle Ron to get the nomination, must REALLY love Barack Hussein Obama.

I hear what you're saying but the truth is we really don't expect him to get the nomination but by continuing to support him and similarly minded Libertarian leaning candidates in ever-increasing numbers, we move the Republican party away from the RINOs and towards limited government, individual freedom, and less debt...what Republicans used to stand for. The military interventionism thing isn't going to be an overnight withdraw but certainly we can enact some cost savings abroad over time and in a reasonable manner.

That's really what I'm hoping for.

Don't worry, I'll vote for whichever R gets the nomination. Obviously.

Too bad Ron Paul wouldn't do the same, he'd rather have one of these loons as President...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqOpeRnvvNo&feature=player_embedded]RON PAUL ENDORSES BARR,BALDWIN,MCKINNEY,AND NADER!!!!!!!!!! link to 3rd party dabate inh sidebar - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view,

You are so right man.

We need a strong leader with a Teutonic Accent:

.As always Heil Hitler.

.

See what we get from Some of these Ron Paul loons comparing the U.S. to Hitler? Stahlin? I'm sure most Ron Paul supporters are good people but amoung them are the loons, that says something.

 

[Jroc]

Paul campaign is not just a campaign for president. This is a campaign -- a serious campaign -- to re-educate the American people to an alternate universe of reality. A campaign that goes far beyond whatever will happen at the polls in 2012.

And sorry to say, this re-education campaign does not present a pretty picture of itself.

Looming over the interesting and appealing ideas of the Paul campaign is a veritable political tornado of allegations involving anti-Semitism, racism, pacifism, far left-wingism and, at the edges, a tiny flicker of intimidation.

So let's spill it all out on the table and take a look.

Neoliberals and Quasi-Cons:

When it comes to foreign policy, Ron Paul and his supporters are not conservatives.

This is important to understand when one realizes that Paul's views are, self-described, "non-interventionist."

The fact that he has been allowed to get away with pretending to conservatism on this score is merely reflective of journalists who, for whatever reason, are simply unfamiliar with American history. Ironically, it is precisely because the Paul campaign has not been thoroughly covered that no one pays attention to the historical paternity of what the candidate is saying.



So if Ron Paul is conservative on domestic issues, but of a like mind with liberal non-interventionists of both parties, what precisely is Ron Paul?

The right term is certainly not conservative.

From liberal Republicans Borah, Norris, and Nye to the liberal Republican father and son LaFollettes, not to mention non-interventionists on the Democrats' side from Bryan to Burton Wheeler, Wallace, McCarthy and McGovern, some version of out-and-out liberalism was the order of the day for all. Liberal Republican LaFollette Sr. and liberal Democrat Senator Wheeler even teamed up to run on the Progressive Party presidential ticket in 1924, supported by no less than the Socialist Party.

The proper term for Paul and his followers, then, would take into account this political half horse/half man philosophical creativity. Conservative on domestic policy, a staunch advocate of historically liberal views on foreign policy.

Ron Paul is what might be called a "Neo-Liberal." Or even a "Quasi-Conservative."

The American Spectator : Ron Paul and the Neoliberal Reeducation Campaign

 

[Truthseeker420]

I don't like that kind of music but it's true, Ron Paul girls are hot... Prolly because like most of the Republican base that likes RP they are younger.

OOOOooo burn if you're old =(

MMMmmmMm, Ron Paul Girl.... Obama Girl Nightmare (submitted by Ron Paul Girl) - YouTube

UH if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination I still will not vote for Nobama

Ron Paul and maybe Jon Huntsman is(are) the only Republicans running I would vote for over Obama.

 

[Jroc]

This is from 2008 campaign but still relevant..

Williams has also organized at least one other discussion, "the Israel factor revisited" on the national Ron Paul MeetUp site. Again the measured tone of the remarks by Ron Paul supporters in the comments section contrasts sharply with the invective Paul supporters rain down upon bloggers who oppose him. Paul's campaign relies heavily on MeetUp sites to organize. Over 61,000 Paul supporters are registered on MeetUp as compared to 3,400 for Barack Obama, 1,000 for Hillary Clinton, 1,800 for Dennis Kucinich and only a couple of dozen members for most other candidates.


On the white-supremacist Vanguard News Network, Williams links to Paul's "grassroots" fundraising site and organizes other racists to "game You Tube" to advance a specific Ron Paul video to the top of You Tube's rankings. Writes Williams, "Everybody here can do this, except bjb w/his niggerberry." Holland points out, "BJB" stands for "burn Jew burn". BJB's internet signature is, "Nothing says lovin' like a Jew in the oven."


Williams is not Paul's only supremacist supporter. "Former" KKK leader (and convicted fraudster) David Duke's website White Civil Rights, calls Ron Paul "our king" and cheers while "Ron Paul Hits a Home Run on Jay Leno Show." Duke also includes a "Ron Paul campaign update" and plugs Ron Paul fundraising efforts. These articles are posted right next to articles such as "Ten reasons why the Holocaust is a fraud" and "Germans Still Remember their Historical Greatness"-featuring a map of Hitler's Third Reich at its 1942 military height, just in case anybody doesn't get the point. Apparently "Dr. Paul's positive agenda for freedom" is attractive to those who ape the world's worst tyrants and genocidaires.


There are others. In a You Tube video circulating the internet, Ron Paul is endorsed by Hutton Gibson, a leading Holocaust denier and father of controversial actor and director Mel Gibson.

Ron Paul is supported by Patrick Buchanan, whose website carries videos and articles such as: "Ron Paul epiphany" and "Ron Paul a new hope." Buchanan has a long history of remarks some call anti-Semitic (see link). Ron Unz, editor of Buchanan's American Conservative magazine, is a Paul contributor and may have helped raise money from Silicon Valley sources.


Ron Paul's American Free Press supporters run literally from one end of the country to the other:

•A Maine Ron Paul MeetUp activist who once ran for US Senate describes himself as, "a 911 truth researcher & video documentarian, & a writer for The Barnes Review." The Barnes Review is a Holocaust-denier magazine founded by Willis Carto.
•A Hawaii Ron Paul MeetUp organizer is pictured here pumping the Paul campaign and selling copies of Willis Carto's American Free Press at a farmers market.
There is more to the Paul campaign than racists. The mis-named 9-11 "truth" movement has also been a big source of Paul support. The Detroit Free Press describes the scene as Republican Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani shared the ferry ride back from a Mackinac Island Michigan Republican caucus September 21.

"According to one eyewitness, Giuliani was beset by dozens of Paul enthusiasts as he was leaving the island, some of whom shouted taunts about 9/11, including: ‘9/11 was an inside job' and ‘Rudy, Rudy, what did you do with the gold?' -- an apparent reference to rumors about $200 million in gold alleged to have disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers. Ed Wyszynski, a longtime party activist from Eagle, (MI) said the Paul supporters threatened to throw Giuliani overboard and harassed him as he took shelter in the ferry's pilothouse for the 15-minute journey back to Mackinaw City."
Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton told the Detroit Free Press "Ron Paul does not think that 9/11 was an inside job." But the "truthers" aren't fooled. Paul's committee paid 9-11 conspiracy nut and talk-show host Alex Jones $1300. Jones claims the payment is a partial refund after he over paid August 27 when giving Paul a $2300 contribution. Aaron Dykes of Alex Jones' company Magnolia Management and Alex Jones' Infowars website gave Ron Paul $1600.

Jones has been pumping Paul's campaign on his nationally syndicated radio show for months. Alex Jones got Paul's first radio interview January 17 after announcing his Presidential campaign. LINK: http://prisonplanet.tv/audio/170107paul.mp3. In a lengthy October 5 interview -- apparently Paul's fourth with Jones -- Paul thanks Jones for his support saying: "You and the others have always said run, run, run." Alex Jones' websites are piled with Ron Paul articles and campaign paraphernalia for sale.


Other Paul donations and activists come from leftists and Muslims. Singer and Democrat contributor Barry Manilow is also a Ron Paul contributor and possibly a fundraiser. There are close ties (but no endorsements) between Ron Paul's San Francisco Bay Area campaign and Cindy Sheehan's long-shot Congressional campaign.


An Austin, TX MeetUp site shows Paul supporters also involved in leftist groups such as Howard Dean's "Democracy for America." MeetUp lists other sites popular with members of the Ron Paul national MeetUp group. The number one choice is "9/11 questions" another leading choice is "conspiracy."


MuslimVoterOnPaul.com chimes in writing:

"Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It's our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire Ummah."
A Ron Paul flyer directed at Muslims reads: "Who is Ron Paul and why does the Jerusalem Post call him crazy?" A "Muslims for Paul" bumper sticker puts the Islamic crescent in Paul's name.


The ugly mishmash of hate groups backing Paul has a Sheehan connection as well. David Duke is a big Cindy Sheehan supporter eagerly proclaiming "Cindy Sheehan is right" after Sheehan said, "My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel." Stormfront.org members joined Sheehan at her protest campout in Crawford, TX and posed with her for photos. Sheehan is also intimately associated with the Lew Rockwell libertarian website which has posted over 200 articles by Ron Paul as well as some "scholarly" 9-11 conspiracy theories.


The white supremacist American Nationalist Union also backed Sheehan's Crawford protests and endorsed David Duke for president of the United States in 1988. Now they are backing Ron Paul-linking to numerous Pro-Paul articles posted on LewRockwell.com.

Archived-Articles: The Ron Paul Campaign and its Neo-Nazi Supporters

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Seriously, can you imagine the man sitting down with world leaders, given his world view,

You are so right man.

We need a strong leader with a Teutonic Accent:

.As always Heil Hitler.

.

See what we get from Some of these Ron Paul loons comparing the U.S. to Hitler? Stahlin? I'm sure most Ron Paul supporters are good people but amoung them are the loons, that says something.

You are starting to sound like a obama supporter. If you can't see that America now resymboles a 1933 Germany? Which way will we go from here?


If you don't support the current government you are anit America propaganda is fucking bullshit.
Thats what the germans of 1933 did. I refuse to allow the government to place that knose of restriction of liberties around Americas neck any longer.

Hell Bush did it under the guise of safety. It's time to stop and smell the coffee Jroc Party's are all the same.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Paul campaign is not just a campaign for president. This is a campaign -- a serious campaign -- to re-educate the American people to an alternate universe of reality. A campaign that goes far beyond whatever will happen at the polls in 2012.

And sorry to say, this re-education campaign does not present a pretty picture of itself.

Looming over the interesting and appealing ideas of the Paul campaign is a veritable political tornado of allegations involving anti-Semitism, racism, pacifism, far left-wingism and, at the edges, a tiny flicker of intimidation.

So let's spill it all out on the table and take a look.

Neoliberals and Quasi-Cons:

When it comes to foreign policy, Ron Paul and his supporters are not conservatives.

This is important to understand when one realizes that Paul's views are, self-described, "non-interventionist."

The fact that he has been allowed to get away with pretending to conservatism on this score is merely reflective of journalists who, for whatever reason, are simply unfamiliar with American history. Ironically, it is precisely because the Paul campaign has not been thoroughly covered that no one pays attention to the historical paternity of what the candidate is saying.



So if Ron Paul is conservative on domestic issues, but of a like mind with liberal non-interventionists of both parties, what precisely is Ron Paul?

The right term is certainly not conservative.

From liberal Republicans Borah, Norris, and Nye to the liberal Republican father and son LaFollettes, not to mention non-interventionists on the Democrats' side from Bryan to Burton Wheeler, Wallace, McCarthy and McGovern, some version of out-and-out liberalism was the order of the day for all. Liberal Republican LaFollette Sr. and liberal Democrat Senator Wheeler even teamed up to run on the Progressive Party presidential ticket in 1924, supported by no less than the Socialist Party.

The proper term for Paul and his followers, then, would take into account this political half horse/half man philosophical creativity. Conservative on domestic policy, a staunch advocate of historically liberal views on foreign policy.

Ron Paul is what might be called a "Neo-Liberal." Or even a "Quasi-Conservative."

The American Spectator : Ron Paul and the Neoliberal Reeducation Campaign

This article has been thoroughly smacked down twice on this board already.