Nightwish said:Okay, there are a few quotes. Now let's examine both the quotes, and the quote from you that prompted my response in the first place.
You said that Libs, not Dems, believe that Iraq was better off with Saddam. That's a very broad statement. Even if people believe that one aspect of their lives was better (utilities, women's rights), that's a far cry from believing that they were in better shape overall. I don't know a single liberal who believes that. I believe that there were some aspects that were better, but that overall they are better off now.
Now, again, you said Libs, not Dems. That's an important difference, first because those terms are not synonymous. The quotes you provided are all from Democratic leaders, who are using them for political leverage, not to represent the actual views of the party. They are intended not so much to be apologetic for Saddam, but rather to be harshly critical of our shortcomings in the war. I'm not a Democrat, so I don't mind saying that I find that tactic kind of reprehensible, and I think Godwin's Law is getting worked overtime among the current Dem elite.
But to claim that "the Libs" or even "the Dems" (implying more than just a few talking heads trying to unbalance their opponents) believe that Iraqis were better off under Saddam's rule is crass, unfair and very farfetched. Incidentally, the Murtha and Kennedy quotes don't support your point at all, and the Gilligan quote is a weak connection at best.
What I should have said was prominant Liberals, but in point of fact liberals in general meaning the meatheads over at Democratic Underground et al provides a vast wealth of quotes that I could have cited to you adnauseum to prove my point better, so suffice to say all you need do is look at left leaning blogs and message boards if your so inclined and I will have been proven correct on my point.