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I did not sow disrespect of the individual Russian or their bravery during WWII. I referred to Stalin and is atrocities.
Meanwhile, FDR was no pure lily in the sun when it came to rescuing Jews from the clutches of the Nazis. Perhaps you forgot the St. Louis ship incident?
FDR turned is back on Jewish refugees when they needed help.
The more than 900 passengers of the M.S. St. Louis were denied entry by immigration authorities in multiple countries...
www.history.com
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In a long tradition of “persecuting the refugee,” the State Department and FDR claimed that Jewish immigrants could threaten national security
www.smithsonianmag.com
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As the world marks the 75th anniversary of the end of World War II, it would be much better not only for the history of Russia but also for the country’s future if Russian leaders were willing to permit—and even encourage—a more even-handed discussion of the Soviet Union’s role in the war.
daviscenter.fas.harvard.edu
First of all I wanted to say to reiterate my previous points this idea that Russia wants to gobble up a smaller country is false. Russia only has 120 million people Ukraine has 40 million. That’s only a three to one advantage and Ukraine has some of the best Western weaponry around. Now you want a larger country taking out a smaller country that’s when America invaded Iraq we were over 300 million Iraq was 30 million that is a 10 to 1 ratio. And I recognize that there could be arguments to America‘s invasion and takeover of Iraq. I still tend to disagreed with the war but of course I always support the American military and I support our country. I wonder if Saddam Hussain heading captain bluffing that is country has nuclear weapons if he would’ve still invited? Because it’s not like we invited them in the 1990s under Bill Clinton we could’ve gone after Iraq after taking them out of quite but we didn’t do that.
But in 2003 we crushed Iraq’s military and defeated them in a matter of three weeks, the problem was we did not do the occupation correctly…. we should’ve honestly at that point just taken over the country and made it to 51st state that is certainly one idea that we should’ve at least considered.
by 2003 Iraq had no effective weapons no affective military, they lost much of their western weapons in the Iran Iraq war ….. A war that we should’ve helped Iraq to crush Iran because Iran is actually a country that brutalizes women. Iraq back in the 1980s was a secular country with a huge Christian population where the second in command was a Christian … at some point in the 1980s Iraq won. award from the United Nations for increasing the literacy of its population, educating women putting women in the workforce. Meanwhile Iran is a shit hole of a country for women.
Wrt ww2 Well the fact of the matter with the MS St. Louis is that ship was sent back to safe territory it was an immigration issue. We could not take in every single immigrant just like today we want to take in everyone we can at least I think that’s what many Americans want including …me but it is beyond realistic. So the MS St. Louis was sent back to a safe allied country. We never sent those Jews back to their deaths. It was only because the third Reich expanded and took over more territory including territory that some of those Jewish refugees went to before it was taken over by the Nazis. So that is the major part the propagandists won’t tell you my friend.
According to the United States Holocaust Memorial museum FDR and the United States did more for the Jews than any
other country of the world.
Stalin had his controversies there’s no argument for me on that one. But one line of argument that I have heard from Russians and people around the world is that without that type of leader ship the Soviets may have lost World War II. And with that the Nazis likely would’ve taken over much of Europe maybe not America but maybe they would have. Because in the end it was the Soviet people who sacrificed more than any other country to defeat this Nazi slave tyranny we know what the holocaust was …we know what they did to any Jewish children and women they could get their hands on ….
The concentration camps were liberated by the Soviets, the Americans and the British and for that you ask any Jewish person in Israel , Russia and America they are gracious of course it only makes sense. With exception to self hating Jews or far right wing Jews who apparently abhor those who gave them freedom and protection. But most of all one thing I said he said here it was the 500,000 Soviet Jewish soldiers who stood up in ww2 … just as I showed the Jewish sniper Mark Epstein proud of his Soviet heritage proud of his Jewish heritage he had 25 confirmed kills. I
Plenty of the points you make are informative and I certainly agree with them so there’s really not much of a disagreement for me toward you….
I respect you for bringing forth constructive points unlike every one of the far left wing nut jobs in this thread who just believe whatever CNN or MSNBC tells them.
And I would like to now get back to the modern era. Of course history shapes my opinion when it comes to Russia and China I can’t help that it only makes sense it’s a good thing I think. But of course it’s now 2023 it’s not the 1940s I recognize this. It is for that reason just as I told Shocked Canadian that I will tell you of my view that is a fact not just an opinion…. it is a fact Russia is not a communist country. So I think a lot of older Americans who come from the Cold War era They still view Russia as the Soviet union …. that is an error. Russia is a capitalist country now. Much to the chagrin of a lot of older Russians who say that it’s a much worse country than it was in the Soviet days their pension is lower, their living standards are lower in their own words….. if you watch the 1420 channel on YouTube which interviews many people of Russia who hate Vladimir Putin. So this idea that Russia is a mega authoritarian dictatorship is false. It is like Ukraine a light authoritarian country. It is not as authoritarian as some of the actual dictatorships that we have seen in the 20th century from the Middle East and from other parts of the world like North Korea for example. North Korea is a extremely authoritarian country.
that being said I respect any Ukrainian or Russian who serves their country patriotically and who is not a racist many of these people are fellow Christians and it is for that matter recognizing the sacrifice of Russia’s ancestors that stood with us during World War II to save the free world. Recognizing that many Russians today like Ukrainians are fellow Christians so I refuse to hate Russia or Ukraine. I’m not taking any side until one of them attack America that’s a different story.
I recognize that we live in a global world. There is the United Nations Security Council which consists of the United States, France, China and Russia among others. And I believe it was starting on April 1 that Russia became the head of that security council.
Recognizing that the United States is the most militarized country on the planet, our military budget exceeds every single country of the world including China the most populous country of the world. We have the toughest soldiers in the world were the greatest military of world history. One thing that is concerning though is wokeness and far left-wing racism and how that might affect our military we need to watch out for that. I certainly hope that the generals and commanding officers in the military are aware of that I’m sure many of them are. The drag parties we have heard about in the military is unacceptable.
The status quo in Ukraine and Russia is not good for the world it’s not good for the world economy. It does not benefit America. If we talk about American patriotism we could look at this thing in Russia and Ukraine and see it’s not benefiting us. We were not attacked by Russia it just as I said in this thread it in many many threads any country that attacks America is my enemy and they are our enemy.
For w/e reason this is being decided by the higher ups they have decided to fund Ukraine and we cannot bring up the moral card here….. I have heard various experts on this issue say that this funding of Ukraine is only being done to make politicians a lot of money and to make the arms dealers a lot of money.
If it was about morals then we will be sending $100 billion to starving children in Africa, we would be intervening in the various wars that have occurred in the 21st-century all over the world , wars that were much more brutal than what we see in Russia and Ukraine. In the sense that those players involved in those wars were actual racists and like Al-Qaeda type of people.
Ultimately I will always support the United States military and our country even if I disagreed with a war…. that’s what happened in the Vietnam war ….plenty of people were drafted into that war and they did not agree with it ….but they fought anyways because they believe in patriotism and that’s what I believe in.
I do not believe it makes any sense that Russia is trying to take over all of Europe. They don’t have the power to do it otherwise they would’ve already taken over Ukraine.
Much of eastern Ukraine for example according to a neutral source a general from India says that 30% of Ukraine is pro Russian certainly much of eastern Ukraine is pro Russian western Ukraine is more pro American pro west. So this thing in Ukraine is in part a Civil War that is what makes it different from other wars of history.
And again to get back to the moral point of view…. I hear all these people on the left wing and even Republicans some of them saying “don’t you see that Russia invaded Ukraine don’t you see the violence”. Of course it’s violence of course it’s an invasion to that point I say to those people what about all the other wars going on in the world , what about all the other violence in the world, the drug cartels in Mexico raping young women, the drug cartels in Mexico selling that poison killing hundreds of thousands of Americans. The drug cartels all over the world engaged in brutal terrorism what about that
why are we not sending in arms to Mexican Catholics to fight back against those parasite drug cartels. ?
So the moral card doesn’t work when it comes to Russia or Ukraine. We need to form a Geo political strategy as the United States the most powerful country in the world to work out a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. We made mistakes on this thing in the first place getting involved we should have from the start tried to figure out a way to prevent the invasion and we failed at that. So now looking at history and again the most important point is Russia is no longer a communist country ……they’re not trying to regain the Soviet union. They don’t have the power to do so again otherwise they would’ve already taken over Ukraine clearly their military is weak it’s not what many people thought it was but they are still the most nuclear armed power in the world. It appears that Russia wants much of eastern Ukraine and if they could maybe they would take over west Ukraine but it’s taking a lot longer than many folks anticipated.
again I thank you for your informative responses ….you unlike the far left wing nut jobs cannot form multiple paragraphs… all they do is post viewpoints without any sources to back them up. Mindless zombies they are.
