Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[Katzndogz]

I believe that SaintMichael and SassyIrish don't like the Westboro Church today. I also believe they didn't even care about the Westboro Church or maybe even privately supported them..............UNTIL they started protesting at military funerals. Then, and only then, they didn't like what they were doing.

You and a couple of others give a shit what you "believe", you're really not that important

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

You are aware that this is something beyond government control. You are aware that no amount of legalization will effect the slightest change.

 

[Syriusly]

But she didn't refuse for another reason. She refused to serve someone specifically because they were gay. That's a protected class, and serving them would be the decent thing to do anyway.

You Communists .

You are an idiot who labels anyone you disagree with a 'Communist'.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Absolutely- the first 10 Amendments, the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th Amendments.

If the law is wrong, change the law.

You haven't actually changed the first 10 - you just piss all over them. The 13th is obviously a farce.

 

[WorldWatcher]

{"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."}

You Communists have a serious hostility toward the Constitution. Time for the ACLJ to take up the case on grounds of violation of the the 13th.

Public Accommodations and the 13th Amendment were already addressed by the SCOTUS:

The appellant contends that Congress, in passing this Act, exceeded its power to regulate commerce under Art. I, [p244] § 8, cl. 3, of the Constitution of the United States; that the Act violates the Fifth Amendment because appellant is deprived of the right to choose its customers and operate its business as it wishes, resulting in a taking of its liberty and property without due process of law and a taking of its property without just compensation; and, finally, that, by requiring appellant to rent available rooms to Negroes against its will, Congress is subjecting it to involuntary servitude in contravention of the Thirteenth Amendment.

<<SNIP>>

We find no merit in the remainder of appellant's contentions, including that of "involuntary servitude." As we have seen, 32 States prohibit racial discrimination in public accommodations. These laws but codify the common law innkeeper rule, which long predated the Thirteenth Amendment. It is difficult to believe that the Amendment was intended to abrogate this principle. Indeed, the opinion of the Court in the Civil Rights Cases is to the contrary as we have seen, it having noted with approval the laws of "all the States" prohibiting discrimination. We could not say that the requirements of the Act in this regard are in any way "akin to African slavery."​

Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States LII Legal Information Institute


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A florist is not an innkeeper - behavior is not race.

Which has nothing to do with your claim, that Public Accommodation laws were a violation of the 13th Amendment.

The SCOTUS already addressed that issue.


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[Syriusly]

{"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."}

You Communists have a serious hostility toward the Constitution. Time for the ACLJ to take up the case on grounds of violation of the the 13th.

Public Accommodations and the 13th Amendment were already addressed by the SCOTUS:

The appellant contends that Congress, in passing this Act, exceeded its power to regulate commerce under Art. I, [p244] § 8, cl. 3, of the Constitution of the United States; that the Act violates the Fifth Amendment because appellant is deprived of the right to choose its customers and operate its business as it wishes, resulting in a taking of its liberty and property without due process of law and a taking of its property without just compensation; and, finally, that, by requiring appellant to rent available rooms to Negroes against its will, Congress is subjecting it to involuntary servitude in contravention of the Thirteenth Amendment.

<<SNIP>>

We find no merit in the remainder of appellant's contentions, including that of "involuntary servitude." As we have seen, 32 States prohibit racial discrimination in public accommodations. These laws but codify the common law innkeeper rule, which long predated the Thirteenth Amendment. It is difficult to believe that the Amendment was intended to abrogate this principle. Indeed, the opinion of the Court in the Civil Rights Cases is to the contrary as we have seen, it having noted with approval the laws of "all the States" prohibiting discrimination. We could not say that the requirements of the Act in this regard are in any way "akin to African slavery."​

Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States LII Legal Information Institute


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A florist is not an innkeeper - behavior is not race.

And apparently you have no understanding of logic.

You were arguing that requiring a business to do business with someone is 'involuntary servitude' and the court said you are wrong.

 

[Syriusly]

[

Absolutely- the first 10 Amendments, the 13th, 14th, 15th, and 19th Amendments.

If the law is wrong, change the law.

You haven't actually changed the first 10 - you just piss all over them. The 13th is obviously a farce.

So you think the Constitution is a farce?

Because it abolished slavery? Or prohibits businessmen from owning slaves?

 

[bodecea]

I believe that SaintMichael and SassyIrish don't like the Westboro Church today. I also believe they didn't even care about the Westboro Church or maybe even privately supported them..............UNTIL they started protesting at military funerals. Then, and only then, they didn't like what they were doing.

You and a couple of others give a shit what you "believe", you're really not that important

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure. You go with that. Until you don't.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You and a couple of others give a shit what you "believe", you're really not that important

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure. You go with that. Until you don't.

Sweet Jesus you're an annoying one.

 

[bodecea]

{"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."}

You Communists have a serious hostility toward the Constitution. Time for the ACLJ to take up the case on grounds of violation of the the 13th.

Public Accommodations and the 13th Amendment were already addressed by the SCOTUS:

The appellant contends that Congress, in passing this Act, exceeded its power to regulate commerce under Art. I, [p244] § 8, cl. 3, of the Constitution of the United States; that the Act violates the Fifth Amendment because appellant is deprived of the right to choose its customers and operate its business as it wishes, resulting in a taking of its liberty and property without due process of law and a taking of its property without just compensation; and, finally, that, by requiring appellant to rent available rooms to Negroes against its will, Congress is subjecting it to involuntary servitude in contravention of the Thirteenth Amendment.

<<SNIP>>

We find no merit in the remainder of appellant's contentions, including that of "involuntary servitude." As we have seen, 32 States prohibit racial discrimination in public accommodations. These laws but codify the common law innkeeper rule, which long predated the Thirteenth Amendment. It is difficult to believe that the Amendment was intended to abrogate this principle. Indeed, the opinion of the Court in the Civil Rights Cases is to the contrary as we have seen, it having noted with approval the laws of "all the States" prohibiting discrimination. We could not say that the requirements of the Act in this regard are in any way "akin to African slavery."​

Heart of Atlanta Motel Inc. v. United States LII Legal Information Institute


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A florist is not an innkeeper - behavior is not race.

So a florist can deny service to a Catholic....because behavior is not a race.
Nope....sorry. They would still be breaking the SAME law.

 

[Syriusly]

I believe that SaintMichael and SassyIrish don't like the Westboro Church today. I also believe they didn't even care about the Westboro Church or maybe even privately supported them..............UNTIL they started protesting at military funerals. Then, and only then, they didn't like what they were doing.

You and a couple of others give a shit what you "believe", you're really not that important

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure.....because you have 'gaydar'.......

Actually I am happy for your children that they were apparently were born straight.

So they don't will never have to worry about mommy kicking them out of the house for being attracted to the wrong gender.

 

[bodecea]

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure. You go with that. Until you don't.

Sweet Jesus you're an annoying one.

Pointing out truths can be annoying to those in denial. That is a fact.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You and a couple of others give a shit what you "believe", you're really not that important

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure.....because you have 'gaydar'.......

Actually I am happy for your children that they were apparently were born straight.

So they don't will never have to worry about mommy kicking them out of the house for being attracted to the wrong gender.

All children are born straight...fool

 

[SassyIrishLass]

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure. You go with that. Until you don't.

Sweet Jesus you're an annoying one.

Pointing out truths can be annoying to those in denial. That is a fact.

 

[bodecea]

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

I love people who live in denial. Explains your faith perfectly.

Look asshole, for it to be a denial you're going to have to prove there are homos in my family. You can't so sit the hell down and shut the hell up. It's just that simple

Sure....everyone in your family is straight. Until they're not. Gotcha.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure.....because you have 'gaydar'.......

Actually I am happy for your children that they were apparently were born straight.

So they don't will never have to worry about mommy kicking them out of the house for being attracted to the wrong gender.

All children are born straight...fool

No Sweetheart, they aren't, and we've known that for a very long time. Some aren't even born male or female, and we've known that for a very long time as well. Humans are not what you believe them to be.

 

[Syriusly]

I am going to drop out of this thread because I am finding bigots like Irishgal and Censorboy discourage me about humans.

Generally I tend to think of most people as being good- but those two bigots remind me of every racist who has ever told me that blacks just arent' as smart as whites and of every anti-semite who has told me that jews are dirty and all conspire against white people.

The good news is that their point of view is rapidly being seen to be the same kind of bigoted dreck as racism and anti-semitism.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

Once again, no homos in our family...case closed, end of the nonsense.

Sure.....because you have 'gaydar'.......

Actually I am happy for your children that they were apparently were born straight.

So they don't will never have to worry about mommy kicking them out of the house for being attracted to the wrong gender.

All children are born straight...fool

No Sweetheart, they aren't, and we've known that for a very long time. Some aren't even born male or female, and we've known that for a very long time as well. Humans are not what you believe them to be.

GFY fool, I don't take you or your left turd ramblings serious, you only think I do.

 

[Carla_Danger]

I believe that SaintMichael and SassyIrish don't like the Westboro Church today. I also believe they didn't even care about the Westboro Church or maybe even privately supported them..............UNTIL they started protesting at military funerals. Then, and only then, they didn't like what they were doing.

You and a couple of others give a shit what you "believe", you're really not that important

Uh huh...and yet you yourself stated right here that it was because your family members were military that you got pissed off at Westboro......nothing about you being pissed off at them because your family members were gay.

None of my family members are gay, just normal

So far as you know.

I have a good friend who lives in the South- highly successful, professional, and deeply closeted.

As he has said many times- if he ever 'comes out' he would be rejected by his family and his church- he would lose everything.

Because there are despicable people who judge others based only upon who they are sexually attracted to.

You are aware that this is something beyond government control. You are aware that no amount of legalization will effect the slightest change.

Sure it will. If you are caught discriminating against sexual orientation, there's a good chance you will be fined, and or lose your business.

Most reasonable people are in business to make money, not make a point to discriminate.

This woman had a business license in the State of Washington. It's against the law to discriminate in Washington. Arlene's Flowers violated (WLAD) Washington State Law Against Discrimination.

You might want to read this...

http://documents.latimes.com/arlenes-flowers-judgment/

 

[Uncensored2008]

You are an idiot who labels anyone you disagree with a 'Communist'.

I label those who promote a centralized, totalitarian state coupled with a command economy as Communists - because you are indeed Communists.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I am going to drop out of this thread because I am finding bigots like Irishgal and Censorboy discourage me about humans.

Generally I tend to think of most people as being good- but those two bigots remind me of every racist who has ever told me that blacks just arent' as smart as whites and of every anti-semite who has told me that jews are dirty and all conspire against white people.

The good news is that their point of view is rapidly being seen to be the same kind of bigoted dreck as racism and anti-semitism.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya