Florida lowering fee for concealed carry gun permit...it is still a Poll Tax....

[2aguy]

It is a good step that Florida is lowering the fee it charges for a concealed carry gun permit...but no matter how you slice it...it is a Poll Tax on the Right to self defense, and it needs to end...

Imagine if we charged 45 dollars to vote......that is what they are doing with these fees....

Florida dropping CCW costs for its 1.7 million carriers

 

[Montrovant]

It is a good step that Florida is lowering the fee it charges for a concealed carry gun permit...but no matter how you slice it...it is a Poll Tax on the Right to self defense, and it needs to end...

Imagine if we charged 45 dollars to vote......that is what they are doing with these fees....

Florida dropping CCW costs for its 1.7 million carriers

How is a CCW fee a poll tax? I don't understand the connection there. A poll tax on the right to self defense does not make sense. A poll tax is specifically about voting.

 

[2aguy]

It is a good step that Florida is lowering the fee it charges for a concealed carry gun permit...but no matter how you slice it...it is a Poll Tax on the Right to self defense, and it needs to end...

Imagine if we charged 45 dollars to vote......that is what they are doing with these fees....

Florida dropping CCW costs for its 1.7 million carriers

How is a CCW fee a poll tax? I don't understand the connection there. A poll tax on the right to self defense does not make sense. A poll tax is specifically about voting.

The democrats used Poll Taxes to prevent blacks from exercising their right to vote. Charging a fee to exercise the Right to self defense is the same thing as a Poll Tax in intent.....it limits the ability of the poor to exercise the Right....that is what the 14th Amendment did to the Poll Tax and Literacy test...

If you don't want to violate the Constitution, you can't charge a fee for that Right....also, you have the Murdoch v. Pennsylvania decision on the fees charged against the exercise of a Right......

Murdock v. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 105 (1943)



4. A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution. P. 319 U. S. 113.

5. The flat license tax here involved restrains in advance the Constitutional liberties of press and religion, and inevitably tends to suppress their exercise. P. 319 U. S. 114.

6. That the ordinance is "nondiscriminatory," in that it applies also to peddlers of wares and merchandise, is immaterial. The liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment are in a preferred position. P. 319 U. S. 115.

7. Since the privilege in question is guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and exists independently of state authority, the inquiry as to whether the State has given something for which it can ask a return is irrelevant. P. 319 U. S. 115.

8. A community may not suppress, or the State tax, the dissemination of views because they are unpopular, annoying, or distasteful. P. 319 U. S. 116.

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Page 319 U. S. 108



The First Amendment, which the Fourteenth makes applicable to the states, declares that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press . . ."

It could hardly be denied that a tax laid specifically on the exercise of those freedoms would be unconstitutional. Yet the license tax imposed by this ordinance is, in substance, just that.

 

[Montrovant]

It is a good step that Florida is lowering the fee it charges for a concealed carry gun permit...but no matter how you slice it...it is a Poll Tax on the Right to self defense, and it needs to end...

Imagine if we charged 45 dollars to vote......that is what they are doing with these fees....

Florida dropping CCW costs for its 1.7 million carriers

How is a CCW fee a poll tax? I don't understand the connection there. A poll tax on the right to self defense does not make sense. A poll tax is specifically about voting.

The democrats used Poll Taxes to prevent blacks from exercising their right to vote. Charging a fee to exercise the Right to self defense is the same thing as a Poll Tax in intent.....it limits the ability of the poor to exercise the Right....that is what the 14th Amendment did to the Poll Tax and Literacy test...

If you don't want to violate the Constitution, you can't charge a fee for that Right....also, you have the Murdoch v. Pennsylvania decision on the fees charged against the exercise of a Right......

Murdock v. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 105 (1943)



4. A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution. P. 319 U. S. 113.

5. The flat license tax here involved restrains in advance the Constitutional liberties of press and religion, and inevitably tends to suppress their exercise. P. 319 U. S. 114.

6. That the ordinance is "nondiscriminatory," in that it applies also to peddlers of wares and merchandise, is immaterial. The liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment are in a preferred position. P. 319 U. S. 115.

7. Since the privilege in question is guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and exists independently of state authority, the inquiry as to whether the State has given something for which it can ask a return is irrelevant. P. 319 U. S. 115.

8. A community may not suppress, or the State tax, the dissemination of views because they are unpopular, annoying, or distasteful. P. 319 U. S. 116.

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Page 319 U. S. 108



The First Amendment, which the Fourteenth makes applicable to the states, declares that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press . . ."

It could hardly be denied that a tax laid specifically on the exercise of those freedoms would be unconstitutional. Yet the license tax imposed by this ordinance is, in substance, just that.

OK, you just didn't say it was the same intent, you called it a poll tax.

I don't know if the SCOTUS has ruled about whether concealed carry is protected by the 2nd amendment. I imagine that would be an important consideration in this issue.

 

[JoeMoma]

"Poll Tax" is being used figuratively here because it's a tax on a right like a poll tax was a tax on the right to vote, thus restricting the number of people voting, hitting poor people(often minorities) the hardest.

 

[2aguy]

It is a good step that Florida is lowering the fee it charges for a concealed carry gun permit...but no matter how you slice it...it is a Poll Tax on the Right to self defense, and it needs to end...

Imagine if we charged 45 dollars to vote......that is what they are doing with these fees....

Florida dropping CCW costs for its 1.7 million carriers

How is a CCW fee a poll tax? I don't understand the connection there. A poll tax on the right to self defense does not make sense. A poll tax is specifically about voting.

The democrats used Poll Taxes to prevent blacks from exercising their right to vote. Charging a fee to exercise the Right to self defense is the same thing as a Poll Tax in intent.....it limits the ability of the poor to exercise the Right....that is what the 14th Amendment did to the Poll Tax and Literacy test...

If you don't want to violate the Constitution, you can't charge a fee for that Right....also, you have the Murdoch v. Pennsylvania decision on the fees charged against the exercise of a Right......

Murdock v. Pennsylvania 319 U.S. 105 (1943)



4. A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a right granted by the Federal Constitution. P. 319 U. S. 113.

5. The flat license tax here involved restrains in advance the Constitutional liberties of press and religion, and inevitably tends to suppress their exercise. P. 319 U. S. 114.

6. That the ordinance is "nondiscriminatory," in that it applies also to peddlers of wares and merchandise, is immaterial. The liberties guaranteed by the First Amendment are in a preferred position. P. 319 U. S. 115.

7. Since the privilege in question is guaranteed by the Federal Constitution, and exists independently of state authority, the inquiry as to whether the State has given something for which it can ask a return is irrelevant. P. 319 U. S. 115.

8. A community may not suppress, or the State tax, the dissemination of views because they are unpopular, annoying, or distasteful. P. 319 U. S. 116.

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Page 319 U. S. 108



The First Amendment, which the Fourteenth makes applicable to the states, declares that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press . . ."

It could hardly be denied that a tax laid specifically on the exercise of those freedoms would be unconstitutional. Yet the license tax imposed by this ordinance is, in substance, just that.

OK, you just didn't say it was the same intent, you called it a poll tax.

I don't know if the SCOTUS has ruled about whether concealed carry is protected by the 2nd amendment. I imagine that would be an important consideration in this issue.

I use Poll Tax becuase as you say, it has the same intent as what they do with the fees and taxes on owning and carrying a gun...it is funny that the same people who cry and wail about voter i.d.....which is always provided for free if you don't already have a drivers license or other i.d.....don't mind that they charge fees for self defense Rights...