Florida Concealed Carry permits handed out at 20,000 a month…and gun crime is going down, not up...

[2aguy]

Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

I've never heard of anyone not backing up such a large study. It obviously was never done.

Here you go asshole……

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/surveysupport.html

2) Statements by others documenting the loss of my computer hard disk in July 1997

From: Dan Kahan
Date: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:49:32 AM US/Eastern
To: letters@washpost.com
Cc: John Lott
Subject: Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts"

Dear Editor:
A column appearing in the Post yesterday (Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts") implies that economist John Lott made up the claim that a computer malfunction destroyed data from his research on gun control. At the time Lott was engaged in this research, we were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School.

I clearly recall John relating the computer data-loss incident to me then -- many years before the current controversy about his work arose.


Just so you know, I'm not relating this information to you because I support Lott's position on guns (I don't).

I'm relating it to you because I think journalists -- even the ones you employ to write political gossip columns like this one -- should live up to their professional obligation to check out the facts before they make claims harmful to an individual's reputation.
Yours,
Dan M. Kahan

*****************************************************************
Dan M. Kahan
Professor of Law
Yale Law School
PO Box 208215
New Haven, CT 06520 (regular mail)
127 Wall Street
New Haven, CT 06511 (courier)
(203) 432-8832
(815) 366-1458 (fax)

 

[Brain357]

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

And here Lott actually answers that issue….moron…..


Response to Malkin's Op-ed



Last fall, Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren volunteered to investigate the claimed existence of Lott's 1997 telephone survey of 2,424 people. "I thought it would be exceedingly simple to establish" that the research had been done, Lindgren wrote in his report.


Unfortunately, Malkin fails to mention that Lindgren is not an unbiased observer since I had written a journal article in Journal of Law & Politics critiquing some of his work months before he "volunteered to investigate" these claims.

It was not simple. Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash.


2) As to the “claim” that I lost my data in a computer crash on July 3, 1997, I have offered Malkin the statements from nine academics (statements attached), four of whom I was co-authoring papers with at the time and who remember quite vividly also losing the data that we had on various projects. David Mustard at the University of Georgia spent considerable time during 1997 helping me replace gun crime data. Other academics worked with me to replace data on our other projects. Just so it is clear, this computer crash basically cost me all my data on all my projects up to that point in time, including all the data and word files for my book, More Guns, Less Crime, and numerous papers that were under review at journals. The next couple of years were hell trying to replace things and the data for this survey which ended up being one sentence in the book, was not of particular importance. However, all the data was replaced, including not only the large county level data, the state level data, as well as the survey data, when the survey was redone.

He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records.


* Unlike many academics, I have never asked for government support for my research. Nothing different or unusual was done in this case. While we still have the tax forms that we filed that show we made large expenditures on research assistants that year, my wife keeps our financial documents for the three years required by the IRS. I have provided my tax records from that year to several professors. Among them is a tax expert, Professor Joe Olson, at Hamline University in Minnesota, and he can verify this information. I have checked with the bank that we had an account with, but they only keep records five years back. Since wild claims have been made about the costs of the survey, some notion of its scope would be useful. The survey was structured so that over 90 percent of those questioned would only have to answer three short questions and those were usually completed in under 30 seconds. Less than one percent of those surveyed would actually answer as many as seven questions and even in that case the survey only took about two minutes. The appendix in The Bias Against Guns provides a description of the survey when it was replicated.

What kind of idiot wouldn't back up that kind of data? I call BS.

It was 97, they didn't have the cloud back then….you assholes…if only you questioned your left wing idols the same way you wouldn't be left wing anymore…...

Did they have paper back then? Cause any moron would at least keep a paper copy. But last I checked they did have disks to save on back then. Sorry explanation is bull.

 

[Brain357]

Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

I've never heard of anyone not backing up such a large study. It obviously was never done.

Here you go asshole……

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/surveysupport.html

2) Statements by others documenting the loss of my computer hard disk in July 1997

From: Dan Kahan
Date: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:49:32 AM US/Eastern
To: letters@washpost.com
Cc: John Lott
Subject: Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts"

Dear Editor:
A column appearing in the Post yesterday (Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts") implies that economist John Lott made up the claim that a computer malfunction destroyed data from his research on gun control. At the time Lott was engaged in this research, we were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School.

I clearly recall John relating the computer data-loss incident to me then -- many years before the current controversy about his work arose.


Just so you know, I'm not relating this information to you because I support Lott's position on guns (I don't).

I'm relating it to you because I think journalists -- even the ones you employ to write political gossip columns like this one -- should live up to their professional obligation to check out the facts before they make claims harmful to an individual's reputation.
Yours,
Dan M. Kahan

*****************************************************************
Dan M. Kahan
Professor of Law
Yale Law School
PO Box 208215
New Haven, CT 06520 (regular mail)
127 Wall Street
New Haven, CT 06511 (courier)
(203) 432-8832
(815) 366-1458 (fax)

So he didn't see the study, just heard Lott claim it was lost...

 

[Correll]

Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

I've never heard of anyone not backing up such a large study. It obviously was never done.

Up to and including the names of the students doing the work? REally?

 

[2aguy]

Your saying so does not make it so…..Lott is the preeminent researcher into gun self defense issues which is why you guys need to take him out…when you aren't lying about him you lie about Dr. Gary Kleck…..both of whom were anti gun, Lott was more neutral but anti gun leaning, and Dr. Kleck, an honest to goodness ACLU liberal, was anti gun……and then they actually did research on the topic….and found out how often and how effective guns are at keeping normal, peace loving people safe from violent criminal attack.

Yes I'm sure lott was real liberal when he was making up gun surveys to try and prove more guns equals less crime.

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yeah…..we have been through these attacks before, you are not the first anti gun extremist to try to smear Lott and you won't be the last….

Response to Malkin's Op-ed

people who say he gave them his info. easily

John Lott's website

David Friedman defends lott against various critics...

My_Comments_on_the_Lott_Controversy.html

zhou, donahue used the wrong numbers when they attempted to criticize lott...and then refused to admit their error....

Did John Lott Provide Bad Data to the NRC? A Note on Aneja, Donohue, and Zhang · Econ Journal Watch : Guns, crime, shall-issue, right-to-carry, NRC


Mother jones attack against Lottt…

John Lott's Website: Mother Jones joins the list of left wingers trying to discredit me and the Crime Prevention Research Center

So NO, you you don't refute Lott was paid by the gun makers, he couldn't back up his "study", he couldn't name a SINGLE student involved in the study OR that he falsely set up a sock puppet account to cheer-lead for himself

Thanks anyways Bubs

Okay asshole….when you log back on……please provide the link to evidence that Lott received any money from the NRA or any other gun group.

 

[2aguy]

Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

I've never heard of anyone not backing up such a large study. It obviously was never done.

Here you go asshole……

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/surveysupport.html

2) Statements by others documenting the loss of my computer hard disk in July 1997

From: Dan Kahan
Date: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:49:32 AM US/Eastern
To: letters@washpost.com
Cc: John Lott
Subject: Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts"

Dear Editor:
A column appearing in the Post yesterday (Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts") implies that economist John Lott made up the claim that a computer malfunction destroyed data from his research on gun control. At the time Lott was engaged in this research, we were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School.

I clearly recall John relating the computer data-loss incident to me then -- many years before the current controversy about his work arose.


Just so you know, I'm not relating this information to you because I support Lott's position on guns (I don't).

I'm relating it to you because I think journalists -- even the ones you employ to write political gossip columns like this one -- should live up to their professional obligation to check out the facts before they make claims harmful to an individual's reputation.
Yours,
Dan M. Kahan

*****************************************************************
Dan M. Kahan
Professor of Law
Yale Law School
PO Box 208215
New Haven, CT 06520 (regular mail)
127 Wall Street
New Haven, CT 06511 (courier)
(203) 432-8832
(815) 366-1458 (fax)

So he didn't see the study, just heard Lott claim it was lost...

And here you go moron……..

From: Floydzudd@aol.com
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 246 PM US/Eastern
To: letters@washpost.com
Subject: Article about John Lott in today's Post

Dear Editor:

The Washington Post unfairly casts doubt about whether John Lott suffered a hard disk crash on his computer in 1997 ( A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts, February 11). I was co-authoring a paper with him at the time and I was affected by some data that were lost. We lost a very large data set that had been used to estimate the wage premium paid to workers exposed to long-term latent hazards in the workplace. The loss prevented us from performing additional research and significantly delayed publication.

Sincerely,

Richard L Manning, PhD
203 Putnam Road
New Canaan, CT 06840

From: Lawrence Kenny
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 258 PM US/Eastern
To: jlott@aei.org
Subject: Wash Post letter

John:
This is what I sent to the Washington Post.

John Lott and I worked together on a project examining the impact on government spending of women being granted voting privileges. Some of this research, utilizing older census data, was published in the Journal of Political Economy in December 1999.But the publication of other research utilizing recent survey data was set back when the basic data was lost in 1997 when John's hard disk crashed. Thus, assertions that John fabricated the story of his disk crashing are incorrect.

Lawrence W. Kenny
Professor of Economics
University of Florida

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Karpoff
To: letters@washpost.com
Subject: John Lott

Dear Editor,

A column the Post published this week implies that John Lott fabricated a story that a computer crash destroyed some data related to his gun research. I have collaborated with Lott on two research projects -- neither related to guns -- and remember him talking about the crash several years ago. The crash indirectly affected one of our projects, as Lott had to divert much time to re-create his lost databases. I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!

During our collaborations, John Lott has been an exemplar of integrity in academic research. It is not always easy to work with John, as we sometimes have disagreed over how best to conduct our tests and write up our results. But always, Lott has been honest, insightful, and willing to consider arguments and accept data that do not agree with his prior beliefs. He is an excellent social scientist.

It is time to put to bed any rumors that question Lott's credibility or seriousness as a researcher. Give him credit for taking unpopular positions, sticking to those positions in the face of vitriolic personal attacks, and sharing his data and exposing his research to scrutiny more openly than his opponents. You -- and I -- might not like like all of his conclusions. But that makes him all the more important to engage seriously in policy debates.

Sincerely,
Jonathan M. Karpoff

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

 

[2aguy]

Sorry…..you need to actually research the topic….I was around here when Lott released his first research into guns. He was an actual professor of economics at the University of Chicago….he noticed that each side in the gun debate cherry picked different locations to push their points on gun control. So, as someone who was neutral but believed gun control would be a good idea, he decided to actually do research that wasn't biased.

How did he do that….he took crime data from every county in the United States and followed the implementation of concealed carry laws…..and that is when he discovered that they lowered the crime rate…..and damaged his career by publishing the research.

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

And here Lott actually answers that issue….moron…..


Response to Malkin's Op-ed



Last fall, Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren volunteered to investigate the claimed existence of Lott's 1997 telephone survey of 2,424 people. "I thought it would be exceedingly simple to establish" that the research had been done, Lindgren wrote in his report.


Unfortunately, Malkin fails to mention that Lindgren is not an unbiased observer since I had written a journal article in Journal of Law & Politics critiquing some of his work months before he "volunteered to investigate" these claims.

It was not simple. Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash.


2) As to the “claim” that I lost my data in a computer crash on July 3, 1997, I have offered Malkin the statements from nine academics (statements attached), four of whom I was co-authoring papers with at the time and who remember quite vividly also losing the data that we had on various projects. David Mustard at the University of Georgia spent considerable time during 1997 helping me replace gun crime data. Other academics worked with me to replace data on our other projects. Just so it is clear, this computer crash basically cost me all my data on all my projects up to that point in time, including all the data and word files for my book, More Guns, Less Crime, and numerous papers that were under review at journals. The next couple of years were hell trying to replace things and the data for this survey which ended up being one sentence in the book, was not of particular importance. However, all the data was replaced, including not only the large county level data, the state level data, as well as the survey data, when the survey was redone.

He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records.


* Unlike many academics, I have never asked for government support for my research. Nothing different or unusual was done in this case. While we still have the tax forms that we filed that show we made large expenditures on research assistants that year, my wife keeps our financial documents for the three years required by the IRS. I have provided my tax records from that year to several professors. Among them is a tax expert, Professor Joe Olson, at Hamline University in Minnesota, and he can verify this information. I have checked with the bank that we had an account with, but they only keep records five years back. Since wild claims have been made about the costs of the survey, some notion of its scope would be useful. The survey was structured so that over 90 percent of those questioned would only have to answer three short questions and those were usually completed in under 30 seconds. Less than one percent of those surveyed would actually answer as many as seven questions and even in that case the survey only took about two minutes. The appendix in The Bias Against Guns provides a description of the survey when it was replicated.

What kind of idiot wouldn't back up that kind of data? I call BS.

It was 97, they didn't have the cloud back then….you assholes…if only you questioned your left wing idols the same way you wouldn't be left wing anymore…...

Did they have paper back then? Cause any moron would at least keep a paper copy. But last I checked they did have disks to save on back then. Sorry explanation is bull.

And of course left wing researchers are just as big assholes as left wingers anywhere else…………….

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Karpoff
To: letters@washpost.com
Subject: John Lott

Dear Editor,

A column the Post published this week implies that John Lott fabricated a story that a computer crash destroyed some data related to his gun research. I have collaborated with Lott on two research projects -- neither related to guns -- and remember him talking about the crash several years ago. The crash indirectly affected one of our projects, as Lott had to divert much time to re-create his lost databases. I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!

During our collaborations, John Lott has been an exemplar of integrity in academic research. It is not always easy to work with John, as we sometimes have disagreed over how best to conduct our tests and write up our results. But always, Lott has been honest, insightful, and willing to consider arguments and accept data that do not agree with his prior beliefs. He is an excellent social scientist.

It is time to put to bed any rumors that question Lott's credibility or seriousness as a researcher. Give him credit for taking unpopular positions, sticking to those positions in the face of vitriolic personal attacks, and sharing his data and exposing his research to scrutiny more openly than his opponents. You -- and I -- might not like like all of his conclusions. But that makes him all the more important to engage seriously in policy debates.

Sincerely,
Jonathan M. Karpoff

I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!

 

[2aguy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

Sorry….you have to link to something like that…which anti gun extremist site gave you that data? We have shown them to be wrong so is this a new one or one we have already proven to be biased and shoddy?

 

[Correll]

Yep, the Chi Boys are KNOWN to be neutral in the economics department *shaking head*


Lott was formerly employed at various academic institutions including the University of Chicago, Yale University, the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, and the University of Maryland, College Park, and at the American Enterprise Institute conservative think tank.



Milton Friedman said that "John Lott has few equals as a perceptive analyst of controversial public policy issues."


Newsweek referred to Lott as "The Gun Crowd's Guru."


Charges that gun makers or the NRA have paid for Lott's research
In 1996 when Lott's research first received media attention,.. "The Associated Press reports that Prof. Lott's fellowship at the University of Chicago is funded by the Olin Foundation, which is 'associated with the Olin Corporation,' one of the nation's largest gun manufacturers. Maybe that's a coincidence, too. But it's also a fact.


Disputed survey


Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash



Mary Rosh persona

In response to the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a sock puppet to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Mary Rosh persona. Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".


lmaorog



John Lott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place, but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash

And here Lott actually answers that issue….moron…..


Response to Malkin's Op-ed



Last fall, Northwestern University law professor James Lindgren volunteered to investigate the claimed existence of Lott's 1997 telephone survey of 2,424 people. "I thought it would be exceedingly simple to establish" that the research had been done, Lindgren wrote in his report.


Unfortunately, Malkin fails to mention that Lindgren is not an unbiased observer since I had written a journal article in Journal of Law & Politics critiquing some of his work months before he "volunteered to investigate" these claims.

It was not simple. Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash.


2) As to the “claim” that I lost my data in a computer crash on July 3, 1997, I have offered Malkin the statements from nine academics (statements attached), four of whom I was co-authoring papers with at the time and who remember quite vividly also losing the data that we had on various projects. David Mustard at the University of Georgia spent considerable time during 1997 helping me replace gun crime data. Other academics worked with me to replace data on our other projects. Just so it is clear, this computer crash basically cost me all my data on all my projects up to that point in time, including all the data and word files for my book, More Guns, Less Crime, and numerous papers that were under review at journals. The next couple of years were hell trying to replace things and the data for this survey which ended up being one sentence in the book, was not of particular importance. However, all the data was replaced, including not only the large county level data, the state level data, as well as the survey data, when the survey was redone.

He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records.


* Unlike many academics, I have never asked for government support for my research. Nothing different or unusual was done in this case. While we still have the tax forms that we filed that show we made large expenditures on research assistants that year, my wife keeps our financial documents for the three years required by the IRS. I have provided my tax records from that year to several professors. Among them is a tax expert, Professor Joe Olson, at Hamline University in Minnesota, and he can verify this information. I have checked with the bank that we had an account with, but they only keep records five years back. Since wild claims have been made about the costs of the survey, some notion of its scope would be useful. The survey was structured so that over 90 percent of those questioned would only have to answer three short questions and those were usually completed in under 30 seconds. Less than one percent of those surveyed would actually answer as many as seven questions and even in that case the survey only took about two minutes. The appendix in The Bias Against Guns provides a description of the survey when it was replicated.

What kind of idiot wouldn't back up that kind of data? I call BS.

It was 97, they didn't have the cloud back then….you assholes…if only you questioned your left wing idols the same way you wouldn't be left wing anymore…...

Did they have paper back then? Cause any moron would at least keep a paper copy. But last I checked they did have disks to save on back then. Sorry explanation is bull.

And of course left wing researchers are just as big assholes as left wingers anywhere else…………….

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Karpoff
To: letters@washpost.com
Subject: John Lott

Dear Editor,

A column the Post published this week implies that John Lott fabricated a story that a computer crash destroyed some data related to his gun research. I have collaborated with Lott on two research projects -- neither related to guns -- and remember him talking about the crash several years ago. The crash indirectly affected one of our projects, as Lott had to divert much time to re-create his lost databases. I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!

During our collaborations, John Lott has been an exemplar of integrity in academic research. It is not always easy to work with John, as we sometimes have disagreed over how best to conduct our tests and write up our results. But always, Lott has been honest, insightful, and willing to consider arguments and accept data that do not agree with his prior beliefs. He is an excellent social scientist.

It is time to put to bed any rumors that question Lott's credibility or seriousness as a researcher. Give him credit for taking unpopular positions, sticking to those positions in the face of vitriolic personal attacks, and sharing his data and exposing his research to scrutiny more openly than his opponents. You -- and I -- might not like like all of his conclusions. But that makes him all the more important to engage seriously in policy debates.

Sincerely,
Jonathan M. Karpoff

I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!

Agreed, what assholes!

 

[2aguy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And Chicago, Baltimore, L.A. Oakland, D.C. all have the strictest gun control in the country….and the highest gun murder rates for cities….blue cities in red states where they don't take crime seriously raise the gun murder rate…so again..your link….because one of the studies included suicides in the total……which doesn't count…so you can see why your link is important…..right?

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

Sorry….you have to link to something like that…which anti gun extremist site gave you that data? We have shown them to be wrong so is this a new one or one we have already proven to be biased and shoddy?

Study Shows ‘More Guns, More Crime’: States With Lax Gun Laws Have More Gun Violence

 

[2aguy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And 24 of the 25 most violent cities in the U.S. have been run by democrats for decades….like Chicago…where they have strict gun control laws compared to the rest of the state…and they drive up Illinois gun murder rate…

So please…link to the study….

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And Chicago, Baltimore, L.A. Oakland, D.C. all have the strictest gun control in the country….and the highest gun murder rates for cities….blue cities in red states where they don't take crime seriously raise the gun murder rate…so again..your link….because one of the studies included suicides in the total……which doesn't count…so you can see why your link is important…..right?

Frankly, any attempt to link crime and murder rates with gun ownership or permits issued is moronic either way. There is no direct correlation. Too many other factors affect the crime rate.

 

[2aguy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

Sorry….you have to link to something like that…which anti gun extremist site gave you that data? We have shown them to be wrong so is this a new one or one we have already proven to be biased and shoddy?

Study Shows ‘More Guns, More Crime’: States With Lax Gun Laws Have More Gun Violence

Yeah….I thought so…never, ever trust the Violence Policy Center…they lie……I have to go, but you can find their shoddy work revealed in other threads…..I'll try to respond later….

 

[2aguy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And Chicago, Baltimore, L.A. Oakland, D.C. all have the strictest gun control in the country….and the highest gun murder rates for cities….blue cities in red states where they don't take crime seriously raise the gun murder rate…so again..your link….because one of the studies included suicides in the total……which doesn't count…so you can see why your link is important…..right?

Frankly, any attempt to link crime and murder rates with gun ownership or permits issued is moronic either way. There is no direct correlation. Too many other factors affect the crime rate.

Police do the most to lower the crime rate…..but if 5% or more of a population have concealed carry permits it lowers the crime rate…Florida and Minnesota have just been in the news about their low crime rate and they have reached that threshold…now I have to go...

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And 24 of the 25 most violent cities in the U.S. have been run by democrats for decades….like Chicago…where they have strict gun control laws compared to the rest of the state…and they drive up Illinois gun murder rate…

So please…link to the study….

More guns, more crime: New research debunks a central thesis of the gun rights movement

The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths

https://img.nationaljournal.com/media/media/2015/08/31/syg.png?i10c=img.resize(width:1480)

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And Chicago, Baltimore, L.A. Oakland, D.C. all have the strictest gun control in the country….and the highest gun murder rates for cities….blue cities in red states where they don't take crime seriously raise the gun murder rate…so again..your link….because one of the studies included suicides in the total……which doesn't count…so you can see why your link is important…..right?

Frankly, any attempt to link crime and murder rates with gun ownership or permits issued is moronic either way. There is no direct correlation. Too many other factors affect the crime rate.

Police do the most to lower the crime rate…..but if 5% or more of a population have concealed carry permits it lowers the crime rate…Florida and Minnesota have just been in the news about their low crime rate and they have reached that threshold…now I have to go...

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

Sorry….you have to link to something like that…which anti gun extremist site gave you that data? We have shown them to be wrong so is this a new one or one we have already proven to be biased and shoddy?

Study Shows ‘More Guns, More Crime’: States With Lax Gun Laws Have More Gun Violence

Yeah….I thought so…never, ever trust the Violence Policy Center…they lie……I have to go, but you can find their shoddy work revealed in other threads…..I'll try to respond later….

Don't bother. I know that any source that does not agree with you is bad.

 

[Brain357]

Wow. I have NEVER heard of a study being attacked by demanding the names of students who worked the study.

I've never heard of anyone not backing up such a large study. It obviously was never done.

Here you go asshole……

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/surveysupport.html

2) Statements by others documenting the loss of my computer hard disk in July 1997

From: Dan Kahan
Date: Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:49:32 AM US/Eastern
To: letters@washpost.com
Cc: John Lott
Subject: Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts"

Dear Editor:
A column appearing in the Post yesterday (Feb. 11, "A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts") implies that economist John Lott made up the claim that a computer malfunction destroyed data from his research on gun control. At the time Lott was engaged in this research, we were colleagues at the University of Chicago Law School.

I clearly recall John relating the computer data-loss incident to me then -- many years before the current controversy about his work arose.


Just so you know, I'm not relating this information to you because I support Lott's position on guns (I don't).

I'm relating it to you because I think journalists -- even the ones you employ to write political gossip columns like this one -- should live up to their professional obligation to check out the facts before they make claims harmful to an individual's reputation.
Yours,
Dan M. Kahan

*****************************************************************
Dan M. Kahan
Professor of Law
Yale Law School
PO Box 208215
New Haven, CT 06520 (regular mail)
127 Wall Street
New Haven, CT 06511 (courier)
(203) 432-8832
(815) 366-1458 (fax)

So he didn't see the study, just heard Lott claim it was lost...

And here you go moron……..

From: Floydzudd@aol.com
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 246 PM US/Eastern
To: letters@washpost.com
Subject: Article about John Lott in today's Post

Dear Editor:

The Washington Post unfairly casts doubt about whether John Lott suffered a hard disk crash on his computer in 1997 ( A Fabricated Fan and Many Doubts, February 11). I was co-authoring a paper with him at the time and I was affected by some data that were lost. We lost a very large data set that had been used to estimate the wage premium paid to workers exposed to long-term latent hazards in the workplace. The loss prevented us from performing additional research and significantly delayed publication.

Sincerely,

Richard L Manning, PhD
203 Putnam Road
New Canaan, CT 06840

From: Lawrence Kenny
Date: Tue Feb 11, 2003 258 PM US/Eastern
To: jlott@aei.org
Subject: Wash Post letter

John:
This is what I sent to the Washington Post.

John Lott and I worked together on a project examining the impact on government spending of women being granted voting privileges. Some of this research, utilizing older census data, was published in the Journal of Political Economy in December 1999.But the publication of other research utilizing recent survey data was set back when the basic data was lost in 1997 when John's hard disk crashed. Thus, assertions that John fabricated the story of his disk crashing are incorrect.

Lawrence W. Kenny
Professor of Economics
University of Florida

Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:55:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Jonathan Karpoff
To: letters@washpost.com
Subject: John Lott

Dear Editor,

A column the Post published this week implies that John Lott fabricated a story that a computer crash destroyed some data related to his gun research. I have collaborated with Lott on two research projects -- neither related to guns -- and remember him talking about the crash several years ago. The crash indirectly affected one of our projects, as Lott had to divert much time to re-create his lost databases. I recall him telling me how some of his philosophical opponents refused to help him by returning a copy of some of his data, despite the fact that the only reason they had the data in the first place was that Lott had given the data to them!

During our collaborations, John Lott has been an exemplar of integrity in academic research. It is not always easy to work with John, as we sometimes have disagreed over how best to conduct our tests and write up our results. But always, Lott has been honest, insightful, and willing to consider arguments and accept data that do not agree with his prior beliefs. He is an excellent social scientist.

It is time to put to bed any rumors that question Lott's credibility or seriousness as a researcher. Give him credit for taking unpopular positions, sticking to those positions in the face of vitriolic personal attacks, and sharing his data and exposing his research to scrutiny more openly than his opponents. You -- and I -- might not like like all of his conclusions. But that makes him all the more important to engage seriously in policy debates.

Sincerely,
Jonathan M. Karpoff

More people who don't know if a survey was ever done. Only a moron wouldn't back up a study.

 

[Brain357]

Yes…..as the gun murder rate in the country goes down, Florida is issuing more concealed carry permits….

Florida Concealed Carry Permits Reach 1.5 Million, Adding 20,000 Each Month | Concealed Nation

" Seven of the 10 states with the most firearm deaths in 2013 have enacted stand your ground laws. In keeping with a state's culture, Roman explained, many states with these laws likely also have laws that make it easier to possess firearms and buy ammunition.

In fact, none of the states with the most gun violence require permits to purchase rifles, shotguns, or handguns. Gun owners are also not required to register their weapons in any of these states. Meanwhile, many of the states with the least gun violence require a permit or other form of identification to buy a gun."

More guns = more crime.

And Chicago, Baltimore, L.A. Oakland, D.C. all have the strictest gun control in the country….and the highest gun murder rates for cities….blue cities in red states where they don't take crime seriously raise the gun murder rate…so again..your link….because one of the studies included suicides in the total……which doesn't count…so you can see why your link is important…..right?

Frankly, any attempt to link crime and murder rates with gun ownership or permits issued is moronic either way. There is no direct correlation. Too many other factors affect the crime rate.

Police do the most to lower the crime rate…..but if 5% or more of a population have concealed carry permits it lowers the crime rate…Florida and Minnesota have just been in the news about their low crime rate and they have reached that threshold…now I have to go...

Again the imaginary 5%. Where is the study??