First North Korean Soldier Captured by Ukrainian Forces

[shockedcanadian]

Somebody tried to equate some feral North Korean fighting in Russia with 'WW III', which of course is just hysterical nonsense. What is going to be funny is when Trump has to respond militarily to these piece of shit gangsters and all these Party shills suddenly forget all about dressing up like Jane Fonda and decide their isolationist BS was wrong after all.

The 'main nation' is Russia, and Texas has a bigger economy and better national guard than the Russian Army's motley collection of drunks and convicts.

Hey, why not fear Mighty Guam starting WW III? That's almost as likely. Maybe Singapore? How about Monaco?

World.War III probably.isnt started by Russia though you clearly underestimate their military alliances.

 

[Picaro]

World.War III probably.isnt started by Russia though you clearly underestimate their military alliances.

Which ones worry you as Mighty Giant Super Powers? IRaq had the 4th largest military on the planet, and a fairly modern one. How long did it last in the field, and how many nukes did we have to drop on them? Russia can't even take Ukraine, with a population less than quarter its size now. What is there to 'underestimate', exactly?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Which ones worry you as Mighty Giant Super Powers? IRaq had the 4th largest military on the planet, and a fairly modern one. How long did it last in the field, and how many nukes did we have to drop on them? Russia can't even take Ukraine, with a population less than quarter its size now. What is there to 'underestimate', exactly?

You are not well.informed if you think a China/Russia military/economic alliance is good for the West.

 

[Kruska]

North Koreans don’t give a shit about fighting for Russia

I wouldn't be sure, since Russia has been their foremost political and military ally, and "soul-brother" since 1945 - therefore it all depends onto their El Supremos never-ending propaganda speeches, in regards to e.g. their mother-countries never-ending struggle for survival against those raping, plundering, imperialistic pigs from the USA - aka, thus fighting and dying in Russia/Ukraine for the sake of their own country.

 

[Picaro]

You are not well.informed if you think a China/Russia military/economic alliance is good for the West.

Says the uninformed guy who thinks they're giant super powers. If they were, we would already be dead, and you wouldn't here spreading hysterical rubbish.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Says the uninformed guy who thinks they're giant super powers. If they were, we would already be dead, and you wouldn't here spreading hysterical rubbish.

Russia has more nukes than America. Chinas navy is larger than Americas and they are operating in your backyard.

Wake up. This is serious business. Right now, China is actively viewing your cellphone texts and calls and have been for months. Not a great deal of reporting on it of late.

 

[rightwinger]

Russia has more nukes than America. Chinas navy is larger than Americas and they are operating in your backyard.

Wake up. This is serious business. Right now, China is actively viewing your cellphone texts and calls and have been for months. Not a great deal of reporting on it of late.

The US can deliver nukes with pinpoint precision.
Russian nukes are undependable

The US has the most powerful Navy in history

 

[shockedcanadian]

The US can deliver nukes with pinpoint precision.
Russian nukes are undependable

The US has the most powerful Navy in history

It's easy for you to say because you aren't on duty to handle a war on the seas.

I want America to have unquestionably the strongest military on earth. I want Americas allies to fund their militaries so that they can be a valuable asset with the U.S in any conflict. I want America and its allies to have the best intelligence available to be the most effective in any conflict.

Now, for years the West has disregarded the Chinese military and global influence. We can close our eyes and hope for the best and it may be that China isn't as strong as we believe they are. At the very least, the absolute minimum; China has greatly decreased the gap. At worst, especially on a PPP basis; China has surpassed or is peer equal, especially in regards to specific military conflict against Taiwan.

I'm not the Town Crier but I'm not the boot shiner who is going to be dishonest. G-d as my witness, I will speak the truth, we need to speak honestly, China is engaging in tactics that the West has never had to face in the past, not even when Mother Russia was the sole threat as they didn't have the broad economic power that China has.

 

[rightwinger]

At worst, especially on a PPP basis; China has surpassed or is peer equal, especially in regards to specific military conflict against Taiwan.

China can defend their own shores.
Unlike the US, they have no capability of projecting global power.

If they invaded Taiwan, Taiwan would kick their asses

 

[shockedcanadian]

China can defend their own shores.
Unlike the US, they have no capability of projecting global power.

If they invaded Taiwan, Taiwan would kick their asses

Taiwan might be able to hold out for awhile but the cost would be too high to imagine. China has the largest land-based missile arsenal in the world.

You can just imagine the damage that would due to Taiwan alone without any invading forces, which would of course be more difficult and time-intensive.

 

[rightwinger]

Taiwan might be able to hold out for awhile but the cost would be too high to imagine. China has the largest land-based missile arsenal in the world.

You can just imagine the damage that would due to Taiwan alone without any invading forces, which would of course be more difficult and time-intensive.

Shock and Awe
Taiwan has been building and stocking public air raid shelters for 75 years.

It would be like England in the Battle of Britain. Germany could bomb away but lacked the ability to invade

 

[Picaro]

Russia has more nukes than America. Chinas navy is larger than Americas and they are operating in your backyard.

Wake up. This is serious business. Right now, China is actively viewing your cellphone texts and calls and have been for months. Not a great deal of reporting on it of late.

You really think that thug will launch nukes? You must think they all work or something, and he is willing to wipe out his entire country on a gamble. He isn't, he's got billions stashed and he wants to live to spend it. Red China's military is is large, but shitty, and it's Navy is a joke. like I said, if they thought they could beat us we would already be dead. You've been reading too much silly propaganda rubbish.

 

[Picaro]

Russia has more nukes than America. Chinas navy is larger than Americas and they are operating in your backyard.

And the Soviet military dwarfed the German army in WW II; guess who was overrun and defeated, and had to be saved by tiny Britain and later by the U.S.? No way they could have won on their own. They couldn't even hold Moscow without British aid. It took them another year and half to be able launch a major offensive. Quality matters.

 

[JoeB131]

Russia has more nukes than America. Chinas navy is larger than Americas and they are operating in your backyard.

Wake up. This is serious business. Right now, China is actively viewing your cellphone texts and calls and have been for months. Not a great deal of reporting on it of late.

I can imagine the poor Chinaman who has been tasked with reading my cellphone texts. How bored that person would be.

Okay, lets get real.

Russia has more nukes. But they don't really have the delivery systems and we both have enough nukes to destroy the world several times over.

China has more ships, but the quality of their ships are nowhere near ours.

 

[rightwinger]

And the Soviet military dwarfed the German army in WW II; guess who was overrun and defeated, and had to be saved by tiny Britain and later by the U.S.? No way they could have won on their own. They couldn't even hold Moscow without British aid. It took them another year and half to be able launch a major offensive. Quality matters.

It was the Soviets who defeated the Nazis and drove them back to Berlin

 

[frigidweirdo]

I don't care about Polish or American troops in AFU or Korean troops in Russia's Forces.
I do care about the quality of discussion here. And when some USMB members repost here some stupid and obvious lie - ok, its not good for all of us.

Well, your post was rather vague, I'm not sure what you were going on about.

 

[Picaro]

It was the Soviets who defeated the Nazis and drove them back to Berlin

No, it wasn't; they were just a mob who used up a lot of German ammo. They were just the hired help after the Allies started sending them aid and saved them. Like I said, it was a year and half before they could break out at Kursk in summer 1943, and only after the Brits and Americans shipped them massive amounts of equipment and the bombing campaign in the West forced Hitler to strip the eastern front of aircraft and antiaircraft weapons. They were beaten even with the Germans stalled in the winter in 1941. As soon as Spring came they were toast without the early British shipments of tanks and engineers via Murmansk and Churchill convincing FDR to ship them stuff.

They had to launch 2 or three assaults to take positions held by old men and children even then.

 

[Picaro]

Re the Shah and the Tudeh:

We Wouldn't Be In This Mess With Iran If

Gee, I wonder where all these Ph.Ds in history and MYOB peacenicks were when their boi Oboingo was toppling the regimes in Egypt and Libya, and trying to overthrow Assad? Obama wasn't overthrowing ANYONE. He let the uprisings play out on their own and let the chips fall where they may. That's...

www.usmessageboard.com

Fun Fact: The CIA didn't have to do much at all, and spent around $500,000 to support the Shah; Mossyheadedayglo just wasn't the big popular guy the left wingers and conspiratardos portray him as. We spent far more on Tito, and nobody runs around blathering Tito was a 'CIA tool'.

Why the Shah Fell - Commentary

Lastly, the question of repression. There has been a great deal of violence in Iran since World War II. Two prime ministers have been assassinated (Ali Rasmara and Ali Mansur), and there have been attempts to kill others, as well as the Shah. The Iranian government under the Shah responded by mass arrests, by torture, and by executions. According to sources hostile to the regime, there were about 20,000 political prisoners in the early 1970’s; the Shah admitted to only 3,000. But even if the higher figure was correct, it was still proportionately smaller than in countries such as Cuba; and even if more death penalties were imposed in Iran than elsewhere, the number of actual killings was higher in neighboring Iraq, to give but one example. Yet there were no demonstrations in Western capitals in favor of human rights in Cuba or Iraq, and this, of course, is the decisive factor. The impression was created in the Western media that Iran was a more brutal dictatorship than others, whereas it was in fact only less effective.

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The anti-Shah movement gained momentum not at a time of increased repression, but on the contrary, at a time when the regime was trying to reform itself and to offer a greater degree of liberty, partly under pressure from outside. Was the collapse inevitable? Robert Graham concludes, at the end of a massive indictment of Iranian government incompetence and folly:

To cast the Shah as the villain is in one sense misleading. There is nothing to suggest that another leader or group of leaders in Iran would have done better or behaved much differently under the circumstances. It would be surprising if the same basic motivations did not apply: namely, preservation of personal power, a concern with prestige, a chauvinistic pride in seeking Iranian solutions, and a general impatience with detail. The Shah’s critics decry his authoritarianism, but there is scarcely a liberal tradition in Iranian history.1

Fred Halliday, the author of a study of Iran written from an extreme left-wing point of view, reaches conclusions which are not much different. Noting the internal division of the Iranian Left, its preoccupation with rhetoric, its tendency to look for ideological guidance from notions borrowed from abroad, the subservience of the Tudeh (Communist) party to the Soviet Union, Halliday expresses skepticism about the Left’s ability to administer power, let alone to produce a democratic alternative to the Shah.2

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Even the more literate left wingers think the Shah was better. lol

As usual, none of the assorted deviants and commies have a bad word to say about Soviet involvement in other countries.

DID THE SOVIETS PLAY A ROLE IN FOUNDING THE TUDEH PARTY IN IRAN?*

https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/docannexe/2207chaqueri-cmr-3-1999.pdf

"The evidence we have examined above clearly demonstrates that the Tudeh was a creation of the Soviet state, through the agency of its Red Army, thus demolishing the thesis that this organization was a genuine party established independently by the progressive elements who had been released from Reza Shah's jails on the morrow of Iran's occupation by the Allies.

 

[rightwinger]

No, it wasn't; they were just a mob who used up a lot of German ammo. They were just the hired help after the Allies started sending them aid and saved them. Like I said, it was a year and half before they could break out at Kursk in summer 1943, and only after the Brits and Americans shipped them massive amounts of equipment and the bombing campaign in the West forced Hitler to strip the eastern front of aircraft and antiaircraft weapons. They were beaten even with the Germans stalled in the winter in 1941. As soon as Spring came they were toast without the early British shipments of tanks and engineers via Murmansk and Churchill convincing FDR to ship them stuff.

They had to launch 2 or three assaults to take positions held by old men and children even then.

The Soviets broke Hitlers back at Stalingrad
Then drove them steadily back until they collapsed after Kursk.
It was the Soviets who inflicted the most damage on the Nazis and paid the biggest price

 

[Picaro]

The Soviets broke Hitlers back at Stalingrad
Then drove them steadily back until they collapsed after Kursk.
It was the Soviets who inflicted the most damage on the Nazis and paid the biggest price

Mostly rubbish that ignores most of the relevant stuff. They had nothing to launch drives with until long after Stalingrad. They had to build up with U.S. and British aid first. Hitler's no retreat orders allowed encirclement; no driving back was being conducted. And the German still inflicted heavy casualties on them, since they had little in the way of strategy, just human wave attacks. and attrition. The Allied bombings and invasion of Italy and Europe won the war; the supplying of arms to the Soviets was the only reason they were in the war after 1941. They were just the hired help.