It's easy for you to prove if you are right.
List the Muslim organizations whose stated goal is the extermination of all non-Muslims, and then list the numbers of their memberships, verifiable by some reasonable measure,
and then we'll add them up and see how many 'millions' we come up with.
NY, I am not a kind of guy who believes every member of a group should be condemned by the actions of a few...that would be Liberals...in regards to Conservatives and Republicans.
I will add this to the conversation to 'spice up' the discussion, though:
Obama has declared Islam is peaceful, tolerant, etc...that Islamic Extremists are as safe as tourists who come to the United States, that valid citizen concern for our safety after repeated terrorist attacks and the allowed deaths of Americans is cowardice, fear of 'widows and orphans'...that there is nothing to fear from Islam...
Do Christians believe in the bible?
- YES
Are they truly Christians if they pick and choose what parts of the Bible they like, that they are willing to believe and follow, ignoring the rest?
- NO
Then do Muslims - believers of Islam - believe in the Quran...the Hadith?
- YES
Are true followers of Islam allowed to pick and choose what to believe, to ignore whatever they want in the Quran...in the Hadith?
- NO
FOUND IN THE QURAN:
Quran (2:191-193) -
"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest]
is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah]
and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the
Noble Quran)
- The verse prior to this (190) refers to
"fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The
historical context of this passage is
not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were
not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.
Quran (2:216) -
"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
- Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into
raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (4:74) -
"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
- The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.
Quran (4:89) -
"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
- Those who reject the teachings of Islam are content to be on the same level as Islam….Followers of Islam should not be willing to be ‘on the same level’ as other religions but should eliminate those other religions by slaying those other believers.
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
- No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
From the Hadith:
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally."
Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us."
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"
- The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 484: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
- Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.
ARGUMENT:
There are parts of the Old Testament in the Bible like this that no longer apply either:
-- Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
