First Gay Couple Receives Marriage License At Jailed Kentucky Clerk's Office

[JakeStarkey]

Kim Davis is a social conservative voted in by the electorate, who has no trouble with her being a Democrat. They are voting for her because of her social conservatism.

huh? No you don't get to blame conservatism on religious rooted hatred.

Of course I can blame social conservatism on religion: it is rooted in evangelicalism and fundamentalism.

 

[RKMBrown]

Kim Davis is a social conservative voted in by the electorate, who has no trouble with her being a Democrat. They are voting for her because of her social conservatism.

huh? No you don't get to blame conservatism on religious rooted hatred.

Of course I can blame social conservatism on religion: it is rooted in evangelicalism and fundamentalism.

You're conflating social conservatism with religion. While I would agree with the point that many religious wingnut bigoted jerks joined the republican party started pushing family values over conservatism.. That's just those people being bigots and jerks. You can be social conservative without being a religious bigot. Different issues.

 

[hunarcy]

It's your story, so I guess you can tell it as you choose, but the FACT is that she's a Democrat. No Republican County Clerk is in jail over this.

But a social conservative sits in jail despite her party affiliation.

No, a typical intolerant member of the party of slavery and Jim Crow sits in jail. Just proof that, despite the TALK from Democrats, their actions really haven't changed much from the 1800's.

She is a social conservative, who happens to be a member of the Democratic Party.

You say "happens" as if it's an accident that she's a Democrat. She CHOSE that Party and represents it as an elected official.

Yep, it happens that the social conservative is a democrat. There are lots of conservative democrats in the south.

But, to hear some left-leaning folks talk, Democrats are only liberal and everyone in the South is a Republican.

 

[hunarcy]

Most of the white non-racists stayed Democratic Party, yes.

Most of the white racists went Republican Party.

You know this.

I know that's your narrative, but you're...not correct. Ms. Davis is a typical Democrat. She said all the right things but her intolerance and hate has shown through.

You are a goof ball.

Who has pointed out that your claim that the racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party when the facts show they did not.

 

[hunarcy]

No, a typical intolerant member of the party of slavery and Jim Crow sits in jail. Just proof that, despite the TALK from Democrats, their actions really haven't changed much from the 1800's.

She is a social conservative, who happens to be a member of the Democratic Party.

She's an intolerant bigot who is a member of the Democratic Party and has been supported by other Democrats so she could represent them and their views.

Ya mean Democrats like Mike Huckabee and Li'l Ricky Santorum?

There's a difference between ideology and political party affiliation.

No, they are Republicans. She is a Democrat, elected by other Democrats to be the Clerk of that County. Guess that embarrasses you and you want to deflect. Don't blame you.
As far as ideology and political party affliation differences, apparently those differences don't manifest when talking about Republicans. How many of you tried to smear all Republicans with the views of Claire McCaskill's handpicked opponent, Todd Aikn?

Her party affiliation is immaterial to this case. She is displaying the attitudes of Social Conservatism. She certainly is knot displaying the attitudes of a Christian. Her party registration could be Whig for all that matters. She is a Social Conservative on the face of it, she may be a Fiscal Conservative as well. But she is not behaving under the aegis of any political party, so her party affiliation is a moot point.

Her party affiliation is material because she has run on her viewpoints and gotten elected by your fellow Democrats. So, she represents Democratic views.

 

[Nosmo King]

She is a social conservative, who happens to be a member of the Democratic Party.

She's an intolerant bigot who is a member of the Democratic Party and has been supported by other Democrats so she could represent them and their views.

Ya mean Democrats like Mike Huckabee and Li'l Ricky Santorum?

There's a difference between ideology and political party affiliation.

No, they are Republicans. She is a Democrat, elected by other Democrats to be the Clerk of that County. Guess that embarrasses you and you want to deflect. Don't blame you.
As far as ideology and political party affliation differences, apparently those differences don't manifest when talking about Republicans. How many of you tried to smear all Republicans with the views of Claire McCaskill's handpicked opponent, Todd Aikn?

Her party affiliation is immaterial to this case. She is displaying the attitudes of Social Conservatism. She certainly is knot displaying the attitudes of a Christian. Her party registration could be Whig for all that matters. She is a Social Conservative on the face of it, she may be a Fiscal Conservative as well. But she is not behaving under the aegis of any political party, so her party affiliation is a moot point.

Her party affiliation is material because she has run on her viewpoints and gotten elected by your fellow Democrats. So, she represents Democratic views.

Sure. You're right. Her views represent the basic tenets of the Democrat party. It has been the Republicans advocating marriage equality for years now.

And the overwhelming evidence suggest that you are living in Bizzaro World.

 

[JakeStarkey]

^ That
Despite the best effort of Democrats and Republicans, quite a few conservative Democrats still exist in the South, particularly the social conservative type.

But a social conservative sits in jail despite her party affiliation.

No, a typical intolerant member of the party of slavery and Jim Crow sits in jail. Just proof that, despite the TALK from Democrats, their actions really haven't changed much from the 1800's.

She is a social conservative, who happens to be a member of the Democratic Party.

You say "happens" as if it's an accident that she's a Democrat. She CHOSE that Party and represents it as an elected official.

Yep, it happens that the social conservative is a democrat. There are lots of conservative democrats in the south.

But, to hear some left-leaning folks talk, Democrats are only liberal and everyone in the South is a Republican.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Most of the white non-racists stayed Democratic Party, yes.

Most of the white racists went Republican Party.

You know this.

I know that's your narrative, but you're...not correct. Ms. Davis is a typical Democrat. She said all the right things but her intolerance and hate has shown through.

You are a goof ball.

Who has pointed out that your claim that the racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party when the facts show they did not.

You have made that claim, and will always remain wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

She is a social conservative, who happens to be a member of the Democratic Party.

She's an intolerant bigot who is a member of the Democratic Party and has been supported by other Democrats so she could represent them and their views.

Ya mean Democrats like Mike Huckabee and Li'l Ricky Santorum?

There's a difference between ideology and political party affiliation.

No, they are Republicans. She is a Democrat, elected by other Democrats to be the Clerk of that County. Guess that embarrasses you and you want to deflect. Don't blame you.
As far as ideology and political party affliation differences, apparently those differences don't manifest when talking about Republicans. How many of you tried to smear all Republicans with the views of Claire McCaskill's handpicked opponent, Todd Aikn?

Her party affiliation is immaterial to this case. She is displaying the attitudes of Social Conservatism. She certainly is knot displaying the attitudes of a Christian. Her party registration could be Whig for all that matters. She is a Social Conservative on the face of it, she may be a Fiscal Conservative as well. But she is not behaving under the aegis of any political party, so her party affiliation is a moot point.

Her party affiliation is material because she has run on her viewpoints and gotten elected by your fellow Democrats. So, she represents Democratic views.

In that counry, probably, particularly with the social conservatives of both parties.

 

[Valerie]

is there a reason why they had to actually JAIL her? why couldn't they just remove her from her position??

seems like jailing her is too much of a spectacle where she can seem like a martyr.....

 

[The Professor]

Money and anarchy always win in the end. Hallmarks of the Dem party

Utah doesn't force clerks to sign gay marriage licenses, but they have a state law that someone has to be on duty who is willing to do it.

Sounds like a "reasonable accommodation" to me This would have worked in the Kentucky case but the Clerk wouldn't allow anyone in her office to issue marriage licenses to gays.

 

[JakeStarkey]

is there a reason why they had to actually JAIL her? why couldn't they just remove her from her position??

seems like jailing her is too much of a spectacle where she can seem like a martyr.....

Valarie, she is elected, and under TN law, she can only be impeached and removed by the state legislature. She would not let the deputy clerks sign the certificates because her name is on them.

 

[Valerie]

isn't there a legal mechanism already in place for the state legislature to promptly place the county seal in the hands of someone ELSE who is not in contempt of court?

 

[The Professor]

It looks like even more trouble for Kim Davis:

“Meanwhile on Friday, the Rowan County Attorney’s Office said it referred an official misconduct charge against Davis to the Attorney General’s office. A release from the county attorney’s office says Kentucky Bar Association “Rules of the Supreme Court of Kentucky prohibit the Rowan County Attorney’s Office from prosecuting Davis” because they are involved in current litigation with Davis.

“The Morehead News notes KRS 522.020 and KRS 522.030 deal with official misconduct in the first and second degree, respectively. “A public servant is guilty of official misconduct in the first degree when, with intent to obtain or confer a benefit or to injure another person or to deprive another person of a benefit, knowingly commits an act relating to his office which constitutes an unauthorized exercise of his official functions or refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office or violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office,” according to KRS 522.020.

“Official misconduct in the first degree is a Class A misdemeanor and is punishable with imprisonment not to exceed 12 months and fines of $500. Official misconduct in the second degree is a Class B misdemeanor and carries a potential punishment of up to 90 days imprisonment and fines of $250. The charge must be tried in court before a designation of first or second degree is placed upon it."

Read more at ‘Official misconduct charge’ referred against marriage clerk

 

[Valerie]

the county should absolutely recognize the seal of the deputies and just send her home to wait for the official impeachment...



An attorney for jailed Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis said Friday that the marriage licenses issued by her deputies to several same-sex couples are invalid.

“They are not worth the paper they’re written on,” Mat Staver said outside the Carter County Detention Center, where Davis is being held on a contempt charge.


Speaking at an afternoon news conference in Grayson, about 35 miles from the Rowan County Courthouse, Staver said: “Our position and the position of the clerk of Rowan County is that those licenses are void.”

The licenses issued to same-sex couples Friday aren’t valid, Staver argued, because they were issued under the county clerk’s authority — but Davis hasn’t granted that authority.

Ky. clerk’s attorney: New marriage licenses ‘not worth the paper they’re written on’

 

[Valerie]

this nutjob actually thinks SHE is the decider...

 

[jillian]

The neanderthals always lose in the end

MOREHEAD, Ky., Sept 4 (Reuters) - The Kentucky clerk's office that had refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples in defiance of orders by a federal judge on Friday morning ended its resistance.

First Gay Couple Receives Marriage License At Jailed Kentucky Clerk's Office

Darned if the Democrat who was serving as County Clerk didn't end up in jail. I never thought it would come to that because Democrats usually take care of their own.

blah blah blah blah blah

 

[The Professor]

It looks like Kim Davis may be in jail until at least January:

"(Newser) – Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis' husband yesterday said of his jailed wife, "Until something gives, she'll be there." The AP today sheds some light on just how long that could be. US District Judge David Bunning has said he will keep Davis in jail until she agrees to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. Her attorneys say there's only one way she'd cave: if Kentucky state law is changed so that marriage licenses aren't given out under the county clerk's authority. But the state legislature isn't scheduled to meet until January, and Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear says he will not call a special session, which he views as a misuse of taxpayer dollars as the issue impacts just one elected official."

Why the Kentucky Clerk Could Be in Jail Until January

 

[RKMBrown]

Most of the white non-racists stayed Democratic Party, yes.

Most of the white racists went Republican Party.

You know this.

I know that's your narrative, but you're...not correct. Ms. Davis is a typical Democrat. She said all the right things but her intolerance and hate has shown through.

You are a goof ball.

Who has pointed out that your claim that the racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party when the facts show they did not.

Some did. Perry for example comes from a democrat family of KKKers. Perry switched to the republican party after he ran Gore's political campaign here in TX. Reagan did.. and brought family values and religion to the republican party. How many do you want me to list?

 

[hunarcy]

Most of the white non-racists stayed Democratic Party, yes.

Most of the white racists went Republican Party.

You know this.

I know that's your narrative, but you're...not correct. Ms. Davis is a typical Democrat. She said all the right things but her intolerance and hate has shown through.

You are a goof ball.

Who has pointed out that your claim that the racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party when the facts show they did not.

You have made that claim, and will always remain wrong.

Nope. I named a few who changed and a lot who didn't. Your denial is meaningless because the FACTS show you're wrong.