First Day in Heaven

[alang1216]

I'm guessing they might not agree. I'm not well educated on Mormonism, what makes their view not Christian?

Mormons don’t accept Jesus as the son of God sent for our redemption. Mormonism is a counterfeit corruption created by a single man who wanted power and multiple wives.

Mormons "believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved..." Wasn't that your criteria for salvation?

 

[Weatherman2020]

I'm guessing they might not agree. I'm not well educated on Mormonism, what makes their view not Christian?

Mormons don’t accept Jesus as the son of God sent for our redemption. Mormonism is a counterfeit corruption created by a single man who wanted power and multiple wives.

Mormons "believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved..." Wasn't that your criteria for salvation?

Mormons are works based on salvation, which is 180 from Christianity. Jesus is not the son of God, and the Book of Mormon overrides the Bible.

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

 

[Taz]

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All of us who have accepted Christ as our Savior will have this look.

This Friday the movie of the story behind the song opens in theaters.

Your all going to look like an amateurish painting?

 

[Weatherman2020]

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All of us who have accepted Christ as our Savior will have this look.

This Friday the movie of the story behind the song opens in theaters.

Your all going to look like an amateurish painting?

That really your best childish troll response?
You’re getting old.

 

[alang1216]

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

Every religion is a spin-off cult created by one man.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

Every religion is a spin-off cult created by one man.

No.

 

[alang1216]

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

Every religion is a spin-off cult created by one man.

No.

Which is not?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

Every religion is a spin-off cult created by one man.

No.

Which is not?

Bible is 40 authors who wrote 66 books. With the common theme of redemption from the first to last page.

 

[alang1216]

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

Every religion is a spin-off cult created by one man.

No.

Which is not?

Bible is 40 authors who wrote 66 books. With the common theme of redemption from the first to last page.

In a religion begun by one man, Abraham then radically changed by another man, Jesus.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Like I said earlier, it’s a spin-off cult created by one man.

Every religion is a spin-off cult created by one man.

No.

Which is not?

Bible is 40 authors who wrote 66 books. With the common theme of redemption from the first to last page.

In a religion begun by one man, Abraham then radically changed by another man, Jesus.

The authors are multiple. Unlike Mormonism and Islam which have single authors.

 

[alang1216]

The authors are multiple. Unlike Mormonism and Islam which have single authors.

And the significance of that is...

 

[rightwinger]

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All of us who have accepted Christ as our Savior will have this look.

This Friday the movie of the story behind the song opens in theaters.

With eight billion people......do you have to wait in line for a Jesus hug or do they give you an appointment?

Applying your 4 dimensional knowledge to Gods infinite dimensions shows you have a lot to learn.

Are you claiming there is more than one Jesus when you get to Heaven ?

You’re not growing in knowledge.

Do they have some kind of orientation when you get there and then you get to hug Jesus?

 

[Meriweather]

Thanks, you're very inclusive!

I'm not sure that is mainstream Christian teaching though: No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14: 6, NLT)

If inclusive means acknowledging Everlasting Covenants described in the Old Testament, then that's me. The New Testament also notes that with God all things are possible.

You forgot the previous verse. I am the way, the truth, and the life. The way is described in Deuteronomy as walking in the way God commanded.

The people were to pray they would walk in the Lord's way so that they might walk in God's truth. These disciplines were to be the way of life. Jesus made it his mission to walk in God's ways so that he walked in God's truth, to be that way of life. Christians believe Jesus was the embodiment of someone who walked in God's ways, in God's truth, and lived the life God planned for mankind. That's the only way one can come to the Father.

Had I, personally, tried that walk, that way, that life on my own, I would have failed. This is speaking only for myself. Others, particularly people of the Jewish faith, may feel they are walking the same walk Jesus walked--all without him. More power to them--the strong have no need of a physician.

Those Christian denominations that hold John 14:6 over the heads of others like a club have missed the entire point. The verse is an invitation to those who have lost the way, cannot find truth, and can only see a battle instead of a life. Jesus and the way he taught is an extended hand; he will help everyone, oftentimes even those who are completely unaware he is there.

 

[Meriweather]

Not in the Christian faith they don’t. And there’s no such thing as a good person. The best works are filthy rags.....

The Christian faith teaches that people are the salt of the earth. The verse from Isaiah is badly misinterpreted. Isaiah saw a people doing some pretty horrible things, but agreeing these things were good. We see those things in today's world. Abortion is said to be a good thing, as is euthanasia of the sick and elderly. Divorce is lauded as is open sexuality and promiscuity of all kinds.

 

[Votto]

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I thought Christian doctrine is that God elects so it doesn't matter what we do?

You thought wrong.

I'm not the only one apparently:

The ninth chapter of Romans also reiterates the elective purposes of God. There, in reference to His saving love for Jacob (and Jacob’s descendants) as opposed to Esau (and Esau’s lineage), God’s electing prerogative is clearly displayed. God chose Jacob over Esau, not on the basis of anything Jacob or Esau had done, but according to His own free and uninfluenced sovereign purpose. To those who might protest, “That is unfair!” Paul simply responds by asking, “Who are you, O man, who answers back to God?” (v. 20).

Many more Scriptures could be added to this survey. Yet as straightforward as the Word of God is, people continually have difficulty accepting the doctrine of election. The reason, again, is that they allow their preconceived notions of how God should act (based on a human definition of fairness) to override the truth of His sovereignty as laid out in the Scriptures.

Frankly, the only reason to believe in election is because it is found explicitly in God’s Word. No man and no committee of men originated this doctrine. It is like the doctrine of eternal punishment, in that it conflicts with the dictates of the carnal mind. It is repugnant to the sentiments of the unregenerate heart. And like the doctrine of the Holy Trinity and the miraculous birth of our Savior, the truth of election, because it has been revealed by God, must be embraced with simple and unquestioning faith. If you have a Bible and you believe it, you have no other option but to accept what it teaches.​

Let's cut to the chase.
How do you know you are not preselected?
You don't.
So we are back to free will.
You choose to accept Jesus or you choose to not to.
Your choice.

God knows what our choice will be, but that does not mean we do not have free will.

 

[alang1216]

Thanks, you're very inclusive!

I'm not sure that is mainstream Christian teaching though: No one can come to the Father except through me." (John 14: 6, NLT)

If inclusive means acknowledging Everlasting Covenants described in the Old Testament, then that's me. The New Testament also notes that with God all things are possible.

You forgot the previous verse. I am the way, the truth, and the life. The way is described in Deuteronomy as walking in the way God commanded.

The people were to pray they would walk in the Lord's way so that they might walk in God's truth. These disciplines were to be the way of life. Jesus made it his mission to walk in God's ways so that he walked in God's truth, to be that way of life. Christians believe Jesus was the embodiment of someone who walked in God's ways, in God's truth, and lived the life God planned for mankind. That's the only way one can come to the Father.

Had I, personally, tried that walk, that way, that life on my own, I would have failed. This is speaking only for myself. Others, particularly people of the Jewish faith, may feel they are walking the same walk Jesus walked--all without him. More power to them--the strong have no need of a physician.

Those Christian denominations that hold John 14:6 over the heads of others like a club have missed the entire point. The verse is an invitation to those who have lost the way, cannot find truth, and can only see a battle instead of a life. Jesus and the way he taught is an extended hand; he will help everyone, oftentimes even those who are completely unaware he is there.

Like most Christians I've talked with, you appear to interpret scripture the way you desire it to be. That is perfectly fine and doing so has built Christianity into the religion(s) it is. It has certainly produced some very loving people, like yourself (and some not so fine ones but you can't win them all).

I sometimes wonder what Jesus would make of it all if he could see what Christianity has become.

 

[Meriweather]

Like most Christians I've talked with, you appear to interpret scripture the way you desire it to be. That is perfectly fine and doing so has built Christianity into the religion(s) it is. It has certainly produced some very loving people, like yourself (and some not so fine ones but you can't win them all).

I sometimes wonder what Jesus would make of it all if he could see what Christianity has become.

It is not so much an interpretation of what I desire it to be, but rather a study of the history and cultures as close as possible to the time in which it was written. I go back to historical teachings and commentaries. For the Old Testament I go back as far as I can in Rabbinical commentaries.

Therefore I tend to skip over later Protestant commentaries where their interpretations often astonish me when compared to early Christian history. I'm sure they meant well, but a 1500s interpretation of what was written in the first and second centuries is amazing. What was done/still being done with Revelation is not only astonishing, it is sickening.

The other thing I do besides studying ancient history and cultures is to study modern science. I have no doubt in God, but I also think that modern science has taught me as much about God as the ancient stories. In either case, early lessons involving the Great Flood combined with what modern science tells us presents a broader picture for us than our ancestors had. Too many don't don't appreciate this.

I have had a great interest--and made LOTS of time through the years for in depth study. Realistically, we can't expect the majority of people to find this amount of time to devote to this type of study. On top of that, history is complicated--the more we pursue the past, the more we realize things then were as complicated then as they are now. Still, it has been a very interesting ride for me.

 

[alang1216]

The other thing I do besides studying ancient history and cultures is to study modern science. I have no doubt in God, but I also think that modern science has taught me as much about God as the ancient stories. In either case, early lessons involving the Great Flood combined with what modern science tells us presents a broader picture for us than our ancestors had. Too many don't don't appreciate this.

I think on my first day in heaven I'll ask God why he created a universe that appears to contradict everything I read in the Bible, starting with Genesis and the Great Flood.

 

[BreezeWood]

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All of us who have accepted Christ as our Savior will have this look.

This Friday the movie of the story behind the song opens in theaters.

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All of us who have accepted Christ as our Savior will have this look.

sorry, those are just forgeries in a book, without saving humanity what chance has anyone to accomplish admission to the Everlasting.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Ephesians 2:1-9

1As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.