Fertilization vs Conception

[Chuz Life]

I try to go to where the facts lead, no matter the consequences, always. That's just my intentional center on everything.

But this shit has me perplexed. I have to admit.

Here is the etymology of both words. Links are embedded in the images. Just click on them.

 

[Chuz Life]

I think both words are interchangeable, in context there's no difference ... are we splitting this poor hare for a reason? ...

Yes.

In an attempt to answer a request by another member for what a federal law might look like that I would like to see passed, I gave him a rough draft for a Bill that would establish that "Life (and personhood) begins at Conception."

When I pasted my draft into AI, it basically changed it to "fertilization." As I dig further, looking at the Etymology and all, I am in disbelief about what I am finding.

Words matter to me. I don't know if they matter as much to others. (don't really care) They matter to me.

 

[ReinyDays]

Yes.

... I gave him a rough draft for a Bill that would establish that "Life (and personhood) begins at Conception."

Then you'd outlaw fertility clinics? ... would you go as far as the Catholic Church and outlaw contraception (other than abstinence)? ...

Actual bills would contain a section of definitions ... "Missouri Revised Bylaw 162.005 - Definitions" ... "MRB 162.005(a) - Conception and fertilization have the same meaning of viable human life at all diploid stages" ... "MRB 162.010 - Democrats are not considered human life, see Fish and Wildlife regulations for hunting times and dates for vermin" ...

[These bylaws are made up fictions]

Easy ...

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ok, USMB, it is not often that I need help on my own research; however, today I am gob smacked with the idea of revisiting and possibly correcting my own understanding of the scientific difference between "fertilization" and "conception."

I have always been of the mindset that "fertilization" is basically when sperm are mixed with an egg, whether it "takes" or not. Whether any of the sperm actually "penetrates" the egg cell, or not.

My understanding of "conception" has always been that conception is when "fertilization" actually takes.

I think early biology classes first formed my thoughts on this. Specifically, when fish spawn. The female makes a nest and lays her eggs, and the male, later on, "fertilizes" them by depositing his sperm over them. Whether it takes or not. That's called fertilization.

According to AI and the sources that AI insists are credible, "conception" is the very same thing as "implantation."(when the blastocyst/ zygote attaches to the uterine wall.)

I curious about what other believe the definitions are and what the differences in reality - are - between "fertilization" and "conception."

Details matter.

 

[Cougarbear]

"Implantation" has a well defined scientific meaning, it refers to the maturation of the blastocyst from the morula during early development.

This is an informative read:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1934590923003314#:~:text=Introduction,function%20throughout%20the%20life%20course.

Their use of the word "fertilization" is perfectly clear in context.

I don't like the word "conception", it's not exactly a biological word. And it has multiple meanings which makes its usage vague. Some people define conception to precede fertilization, others define it as equivalent to fertilization.

Conception is simple. It's when the spark of life happens as the sperm fertilizes the egg. That is when the DNA is created. All of it. That's when the new life is a separate and distinct human being. It's DNA is different from the mother. Trying to confuse this from anything more than this is an attempt to justify when it's okay to kill the human.

 

[Chuz Life]

Then you'd outlaw fertility clinics? ... would you go as far as the Catholic Church and outlaw contraception (other than abstinence)? ...

No.

I don't think it can be reasonably argued that "preventing conception" is the same thing as terminating a life after conception has taken place.

As for IVF, I don't think it needs to be criminalized - so long as every human organism conceived is recognized and afforded the equal protection of our laws. No matter what stage of their life they are in.

So that would drastically change the way they operate from how they do now. But it's not impossible or unrealistic that they (IVF clinics) be legally required to respect the basic human rights of any human lives they create.

[These bylaws are made up fictions]

I have no response to that.