Federal Lab Corrupts Science --- Closed by Insp. General.

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This story ain't EVER gonna hit the mainstream media. Because not too many care when a Govt science labs goes rogue and starts manipulating tests, papers, reports to present results in a POLITICALLY favorable light.
This lab was a USGS Geophysical lab in Colorado. Many USERS of the data complained as far back as 2008 that these publications and results were totally unreliable. Papers were retracted, research was rejected and ended and FINALLY the OIG recommended the total closure of this lab just recently.

The "products" of this lab were vitally linked to current high interest Enviro areas like coal combustion, uranium in the environment, toxins in the Everglades, etc.. So since science incorporates citations and past data -- this cancer of scientific integrity will reverberate thru the literature for decades..

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf

The recent scientific integrity incident has had numerous real and potential
adverse impacts on customers, products, and the organizational integrity of
USGS, as these pertain to coal and water quality research and assessments. We
noted, among those impacts, that one research paper that was ready for publishing
had to be retracted; certain scientists stopped preparation of scientific papers; the
lab’s data manipulation issues negatively impacted the reputation of numerous
researchers; and the loss of scientific integrity potentially may damage the stature
of USGS, both nationally and internationally. The results of USGS’ internal
inquiry are consistent with our own findings.
Products Affected
In conducting research and assessment projects, scientists rely on the accuracy of
information provided by ERP’s laboratories. Since ERP data is used to support
both scientific decision-making and understanding, inaccurate data has significant
scientific consequences. The affected coal and water quality related work
products from this scientific integrity incident included the following:
• Twenty-four research and assessment projects that have national and
global interest were potentially affected by erroneous information. A list
of each project is contained in Appendix 2. These affected projects
represented about $108 million in funding from FY 2008 through 2014.
ERP officials stated that they were in the process of assessing the impacts
on each project for determining future actions. Among the projects—
o toxic trace metals analysis of water in the greater Everglades
ecosystem in Florida;

o assessment of uranium in the environment in and around Grand
Canyon National Park in Arizona for possible groundwater restoration;

o analysis of coal combustion byproducts relating to the nationwide
Geochemistry of Solid Fuels project; and

o analysis of metals released into waters associated with coalbed natural
gas production activities in Alaska.

• At least seven reports have been delayed and, to date, one report has been
retracted. The retracted report was on air quality studies relating to feed
coals in South African boilers as part of a United Nations Environmental
Program study.
ERP’s publications serve an important role in understanding domestic and
international energy resources, and can directly influence energy-related decisions
and strategies of its diverse stakeholders, who include universities, the public, and
Government agencies.


Several customers worked for other organizations,
including the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the State geological
survey offices of Pennsylvania and Wyoming, and Southern Illinois University.
We interviewed 16 customers, nearly all of whom expressed disappointment,
anger, and/or distrust of the lab. Many stated in very strong terms they would not
use the lab if it reopened. These individuals also cited—
• reduced confidence of collaborators in USGS-generated data, as well as
providing fuel for critics of USGS;
• Bureau embarrassment, especially since similar issues have occurred twice
in the same laboratory;
• upset in the Organic Section because of the perceived connection between
the Inorganic and Organic Sections;
• undermining of public trust, as well as that of other scientific
organizations;
• impact on morale of scientists, in spite of reassurances after the first
incident that such a situation would not occur again; and
• personal impact on post-doctoral researchers working for USGS.

A bit of Congressional Review on this OIG Report is in the following link. Start at 47:22
Oversight Hearing on the Administration’s Response to Findings of Unethical and Criminal Conduct at the Department of the Interior

Just confirms the feelings that are almost NO NUMBERS coming out of the Capitol that can truly be trusted. Whether it's ObamaCare numbers, employment numbers, or even the average annual temperature of the US in 1947.

And when the media does not pick this important stuff up ---- it hinders VOTER judgement of how broken the oversight and bureaucratic management really is..




 
Much of the media helps keep it hidden, purposely, in my opinion
This story ain't EVER gonna hit the mainstream media. Because not too many care when a Govt science labs goes rogue and starts manipulating tests, papers, reports to present results in a POLITICALLY favorable light.
This lab was a USGS Geophysical lab in Colorado. Many USERS of the data complained as far back as 2008 that these publications and results were totally unreliable. Papers were retracted, research was rejected and ended and FINALLY the OIG recommended the total closure of this lab just recently.

The "products" of this lab were vitally linked to current high interest Enviro areas like coal combustion, uranium in the environment, toxins in the Everglades, etc.. So since science incorporates citations and past data -- this cancer of scientific integrity will reverberate thru the literature for decades..

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf

The recent scientific integrity incident has had numerous real and potential
adverse impacts on customers, products, and the organizational integrity of
USGS, as these pertain to coal and water quality research and assessments. We
noted, among those impacts, that one research paper that was ready for publishing
had to be retracted; certain scientists stopped preparation of scientific papers; the
lab’s data manipulation issues negatively impacted the reputation of numerous
researchers; and the loss of scientific integrity potentially may damage the stature
of USGS, both nationally and internationally. The results of USGS’ internal
inquiry are consistent with our own findings.
Products Affected
In conducting research and assessment projects, scientists rely on the accuracy of
information provided by ERP’s laboratories. Since ERP data is used to support
both scientific decision-making and understanding, inaccurate data has significant
scientific consequences. The affected coal and water quality related work
products from this scientific integrity incident included the following:
• Twenty-four research and assessment projects that have national and
global interest were potentially affected by erroneous information. A list
of each project is contained in Appendix 2. These affected projects
represented about $108 million in funding from FY 2008 through 2014.
ERP officials stated that they were in the process of assessing the impacts
on each project for determining future actions. Among the projects—
o toxic trace metals analysis of water in the greater Everglades
ecosystem in Florida;

o assessment of uranium in the environment in and around Grand
Canyon National Park in Arizona for possible groundwater restoration;

o analysis of coal combustion byproducts relating to the nationwide
Geochemistry of Solid Fuels project; and

o analysis of metals released into waters associated with coalbed natural
gas production activities in Alaska.

• At least seven reports have been delayed and, to date, one report has been
retracted. The retracted report was on air quality studies relating to feed
coals in South African boilers as part of a United Nations Environmental
Program study.
ERP’s publications serve an important role in understanding domestic and
international energy resources, and can directly influence energy-related decisions
and strategies of its diverse stakeholders, who include universities, the public, and
Government agencies.


Several customers worked for other organizations,
including the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the State geological
survey offices of Pennsylvania and Wyoming, and Southern Illinois University.
We interviewed 16 customers, nearly all of whom expressed disappointment,
anger, and/or distrust of the lab. Many stated in very strong terms they would not
use the lab if it reopened. These individuals also cited—
• reduced confidence of collaborators in USGS-generated data, as well as
providing fuel for critics of USGS;
• Bureau embarrassment, especially since similar issues have occurred twice
in the same laboratory;
• upset in the Organic Section because of the perceived connection between
the Inorganic and Organic Sections;
• undermining of public trust, as well as that of other scientific
organizations;
• impact on morale of scientists, in spite of reassurances after the first
incident that such a situation would not occur again; and
• personal impact on post-doctoral researchers working for USGS.

A bit of Congressional Review on this OIG Report is in the following link. Start at 47:22
Oversight Hearing on the Administration’s Response to Findings of Unethical and Criminal Conduct at the Department of the Interior

Just confirms the feelings that are almost NO NUMBERS coming out of the Capitol that can truly be trusted. Whether it's ObamaCare numbers, employment numbers, or even the average annual temperature of the US in 1947.

And when the media does not pick this important stuff up ---- it hinders VOTER judgement of how broken the oversight and bureaucratic management really is..
 
Much of the media helps keep it hidden, purposely, in my opinion
This story ain't EVER gonna hit the mainstream media. Because not too many care when a Govt science labs goes rogue and starts manipulating tests, papers, reports to present results in a POLITICALLY favorable light.
This lab was a USGS Geophysical lab in Colorado. Many USERS of the data complained as far back as 2008 that these publications and results were totally unreliable. Papers were retracted, research was rejected and ended and FINALLY the OIG recommended the total closure of this lab just recently.

The "products" of this lab were vitally linked to current high interest Enviro areas like coal combustion, uranium in the environment, toxins in the Everglades, etc.. So since science incorporates citations and past data -- this cancer of scientific integrity will reverberate thru the literature for decades..

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf

The recent scientific integrity incident has had numerous real and potential
adverse impacts on customers, products, and the organizational integrity of
USGS, as these pertain to coal and water quality research and assessments. We
noted, among those impacts, that one research paper that was ready for publishing
had to be retracted; certain scientists stopped preparation of scientific papers; the
lab’s data manipulation issues negatively impacted the reputation of numerous
researchers; and the loss of scientific integrity potentially may damage the stature
of USGS, both nationally and internationally. The results of USGS’ internal
inquiry are consistent with our own findings.
Products Affected
In conducting research and assessment projects, scientists rely on the accuracy of
information provided by ERP’s laboratories. Since ERP data is used to support
both scientific decision-making and understanding, inaccurate data has significant
scientific consequences. The affected coal and water quality related work
products from this scientific integrity incident included the following:
• Twenty-four research and assessment projects that have national and
global interest were potentially affected by erroneous information. A list
of each project is contained in Appendix 2. These affected projects
represented about $108 million in funding from FY 2008 through 2014.
ERP officials stated that they were in the process of assessing the impacts
on each project for determining future actions. Among the projects—
o toxic trace metals analysis of water in the greater Everglades
ecosystem in Florida;

o assessment of uranium in the environment in and around Grand
Canyon National Park in Arizona for possible groundwater restoration;

o analysis of coal combustion byproducts relating to the nationwide
Geochemistry of Solid Fuels project; and

o analysis of metals released into waters associated with coalbed natural
gas production activities in Alaska.

• At least seven reports have been delayed and, to date, one report has been
retracted. The retracted report was on air quality studies relating to feed
coals in South African boilers as part of a United Nations Environmental
Program study.
ERP’s publications serve an important role in understanding domestic and
international energy resources, and can directly influence energy-related decisions
and strategies of its diverse stakeholders, who include universities, the public, and
Government agencies.


Several customers worked for other organizations,
including the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the State geological
survey offices of Pennsylvania and Wyoming, and Southern Illinois University.
We interviewed 16 customers, nearly all of whom expressed disappointment,
anger, and/or distrust of the lab. Many stated in very strong terms they would not
use the lab if it reopened. These individuals also cited—
• reduced confidence of collaborators in USGS-generated data, as well as
providing fuel for critics of USGS;
• Bureau embarrassment, especially since similar issues have occurred twice
in the same laboratory;
• upset in the Organic Section because of the perceived connection between
the Inorganic and Organic Sections;
• undermining of public trust, as well as that of other scientific
organizations;
• impact on morale of scientists, in spite of reassurances after the first
incident that such a situation would not occur again; and
• personal impact on post-doctoral researchers working for USGS.

A bit of Congressional Review on this OIG Report is in the following link. Start at 47:22
Oversight Hearing on the Administration’s Response to Findings of Unethical and Criminal Conduct at the Department of the Interior

Just confirms the feelings that are almost NO NUMBERS coming out of the Capitol that can truly be trusted. Whether it's ObamaCare numbers, employment numbers, or even the average annual temperature of the US in 1947.

And when the media does not pick this important stuff up ---- it hinders VOTER judgement of how broken the oversight and bureaucratic management really is..

You bet they do.. God Bless the Office of the Inspector General.. It's the ONLY oversight on the minions of morons in the agencies. Without them --- we'd be doomed. Because Congress sure as hell ain't got the knowledge or the patience to monitor their runaway creations..
 
Reaction to the facts by the left will be this.....

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Or this.....

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Oh, but someone use the wrong PREFERRED pronoun and they are all.....

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Or

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This story ain't EVER gonna hit the mainstream media. Because not too many care when a Govt science labs goes rogue and starts manipulating tests, papers, reports to present results in a POLITICALLY favorable light.
This lab was a USGS Geophysical lab in Colorado. Many USERS of the data complained as far back as 2008 that these publications and results were totally unreliable. Papers were retracted, research was rejected and ended and FINALLY the OIG recommended the total closure of this lab just recently.

The "products" of this lab were vitally linked to current high interest Enviro areas like coal combustion, uranium in the environment, toxins in the Everglades, etc.. So since science incorporates citations and past data -- this cancer of scientific integrity will reverberate thru the literature for decades..

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf

The recent scientific integrity incident has had numerous real and potential
adverse impacts on customers, products, and the organizational integrity of
USGS, as these pertain to coal and water quality research and assessments. We
noted, among those impacts, that one research paper that was ready for publishing
had to be retracted; certain scientists stopped preparation of scientific papers; the
lab’s data manipulation issues negatively impacted the reputation of numerous
researchers; and the loss of scientific integrity potentially may damage the stature
of USGS, both nationally and internationally. The results of USGS’ internal
inquiry are consistent with our own findings.
Products Affected
In conducting research and assessment projects, scientists rely on the accuracy of
information provided by ERP’s laboratories. Since ERP data is used to support
both scientific decision-making and understanding, inaccurate data has significant
scientific consequences. The affected coal and water quality related work
products from this scientific integrity incident included the following:
• Twenty-four research and assessment projects that have national and
global interest were potentially affected by erroneous information. A list
of each project is contained in Appendix 2. These affected projects
represented about $108 million in funding from FY 2008 through 2014.
ERP officials stated that they were in the process of assessing the impacts
on each project for determining future actions. Among the projects—
o toxic trace metals analysis of water in the greater Everglades
ecosystem in Florida;

o assessment of uranium in the environment in and around Grand
Canyon National Park in Arizona for possible groundwater restoration;

o analysis of coal combustion byproducts relating to the nationwide
Geochemistry of Solid Fuels project; and

o analysis of metals released into waters associated with coalbed natural
gas production activities in Alaska.

• At least seven reports have been delayed and, to date, one report has been
retracted. The retracted report was on air quality studies relating to feed
coals in South African boilers as part of a United Nations Environmental
Program study.
ERP’s publications serve an important role in understanding domestic and
international energy resources, and can directly influence energy-related decisions
and strategies of its diverse stakeholders, who include universities, the public, and
Government agencies.


Several customers worked for other organizations,
including the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the State geological
survey offices of Pennsylvania and Wyoming, and Southern Illinois University.
We interviewed 16 customers, nearly all of whom expressed disappointment,
anger, and/or distrust of the lab. Many stated in very strong terms they would not
use the lab if it reopened. These individuals also cited—
• reduced confidence of collaborators in USGS-generated data, as well as
providing fuel for critics of USGS;
• Bureau embarrassment, especially since similar issues have occurred twice
in the same laboratory;
• upset in the Organic Section because of the perceived connection between
the Inorganic and Organic Sections;
• undermining of public trust, as well as that of other scientific
organizations;
• impact on morale of scientists, in spite of reassurances after the first
incident that such a situation would not occur again; and
• personal impact on post-doctoral researchers working for USGS.

A bit of Congressional Review on this OIG Report is in the following link. Start at 47:22
Oversight Hearing on the Administration’s Response to Findings of Unethical and Criminal Conduct at the Department of the Interior

Just confirms the feelings that are almost NO NUMBERS coming out of the Capitol that can truly be trusted. Whether it's ObamaCare numbers, employment numbers, or even the average annual temperature of the US in 1947.

And when the media does not pick this important stuff up ---- it hinders VOTER judgement of how broken the oversight and bureaucratic management really is..

While it is never good when there is a corrupt environment within a given govt. agency, what you linked to does not confirm the "feeling" that no numbers can be trusted.

You have not debunked AGW with this story about a shitty lab. You have not cast doubt on the numbers regarding employment nor the ACA for anyone who isn't a crazed conspiracy theorist.

The fact that the media ignores this story is not proof that oversight is lacking. It is proof that the media goes where the juicy stuff is.
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?

No. It's not that hard. It happens all the time. There are scientists who have agendas.

But...it doesn't happen every time....and too many scientists in too many organizations have weighed in on AGW for it to have happened it that case. Sorry.
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?

No. It's not that hard. It happens all the time. There are scientists who have agendas.

But...it doesn't happen every time....and too many scientists in too many organizations have weighed in on AGW for it to have happened it that case. Sorry.
Sorry for what?
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?

No. It's not that hard. It happens all the time. There are scientists who have agendas.

But...it doesn't happen every time....and too many scientists in too many organizations have weighed in on AGW for it to have happened it that case. Sorry.
Sorry for what?

Sorry that you are Unwilling to accept that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists agree that we are experiencing AGW and that the existence of dishonest scientists in the world doesn't mean that AGW is a hoax.
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?

No. It's not that hard. It happens all the time. There are scientists who have agendas.

But...it doesn't happen every time....and too many scientists in too many organizations have weighed in on AGW for it to have happened it that case. Sorry.
Sorry for what?

Sorry that you are Unwilling to accept that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists agree that we are experiencing AGW and that the existence of dishonest scientists in the world doesn't mean that AGW is a hoax.
You really haven't read anything I have posted on AGW

Maybe you want to do that before you tell me what I do and don't believe.
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?

No. It's not that hard. It happens all the time. There are scientists who have agendas.

But...it doesn't happen every time....and too many scientists in too many organizations have weighed in on AGW for it to have happened it that case. Sorry.
Sorry for what?

Sorry that you are Unwilling to accept that the overwhelming majority of the world's scientists agree that we are experiencing AGW and that the existence of dishonest scientists in the world doesn't mean that AGW is a hoax.
You really haven't read anything I have posted on AGW

Maybe you want to do that before you tell me what I do and don't believe.

You are right. I am guilty of judging you without looking at what you have previously written on the subject.

The OP ended up being a thinly veiled attempt to deny the existence of AGW by casting doubt on the scientific community and federal oversight in general. I read your reply as a nod in favor of what the OP was saying.

I apologize if I have misrpresented your position on the issue.
 
This story ain't EVER gonna hit the mainstream media. Because not too many care when a Govt science labs goes rogue and starts manipulating tests, papers, reports to present results in a POLITICALLY favorable light.
This lab was a USGS Geophysical lab in Colorado. Many USERS of the data complained as far back as 2008 that these publications and results were totally unreliable. Papers were retracted, research was rejected and ended and FINALLY the OIG recommended the total closure of this lab just recently.

The "products" of this lab were vitally linked to current high interest Enviro areas like coal combustion, uranium in the environment, toxins in the Everglades, etc.. So since science incorporates citations and past data -- this cancer of scientific integrity will reverberate thru the literature for decades..

https://www.doioig.gov/sites/doioig.gov/files/2016EAU010Public.pdf

The recent scientific integrity incident has had numerous real and potential
adverse impacts on customers, products, and the organizational integrity of
USGS, as these pertain to coal and water quality research and assessments. We
noted, among those impacts, that one research paper that was ready for publishing
had to be retracted; certain scientists stopped preparation of scientific papers; the
lab’s data manipulation issues negatively impacted the reputation of numerous
researchers; and the loss of scientific integrity potentially may damage the stature
of USGS, both nationally and internationally. The results of USGS’ internal
inquiry are consistent with our own findings.
Products Affected
In conducting research and assessment projects, scientists rely on the accuracy of
information provided by ERP’s laboratories. Since ERP data is used to support
both scientific decision-making and understanding, inaccurate data has significant
scientific consequences. The affected coal and water quality related work
products from this scientific integrity incident included the following:
• Twenty-four research and assessment projects that have national and
global interest were potentially affected by erroneous information. A list
of each project is contained in Appendix 2. These affected projects
represented about $108 million in funding from FY 2008 through 2014.
ERP officials stated that they were in the process of assessing the impacts
on each project for determining future actions. Among the projects—
o toxic trace metals analysis of water in the greater Everglades
ecosystem in Florida;

o assessment of uranium in the environment in and around Grand
Canyon National Park in Arizona for possible groundwater restoration;

o analysis of coal combustion byproducts relating to the nationwide
Geochemistry of Solid Fuels project; and

o analysis of metals released into waters associated with coalbed natural
gas production activities in Alaska.

• At least seven reports have been delayed and, to date, one report has been
retracted. The retracted report was on air quality studies relating to feed
coals in South African boilers as part of a United Nations Environmental
Program study.
ERP’s publications serve an important role in understanding domestic and
international energy resources, and can directly influence energy-related decisions
and strategies of its diverse stakeholders, who include universities, the public, and
Government agencies.


Several customers worked for other organizations,
including the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the State geological
survey offices of Pennsylvania and Wyoming, and Southern Illinois University.
We interviewed 16 customers, nearly all of whom expressed disappointment,
anger, and/or distrust of the lab. Many stated in very strong terms they would not
use the lab if it reopened. These individuals also cited—
• reduced confidence of collaborators in USGS-generated data, as well as
providing fuel for critics of USGS;
• Bureau embarrassment, especially since similar issues have occurred twice
in the same laboratory;
• upset in the Organic Section because of the perceived connection between
the Inorganic and Organic Sections;
• undermining of public trust, as well as that of other scientific
organizations;
• impact on morale of scientists, in spite of reassurances after the first
incident that such a situation would not occur again; and
• personal impact on post-doctoral researchers working for USGS.

A bit of Congressional Review on this OIG Report is in the following link. Start at 47:22
Oversight Hearing on the Administration’s Response to Findings of Unethical and Criminal Conduct at the Department of the Interior

Just confirms the feelings that are almost NO NUMBERS coming out of the Capitol that can truly be trusted. Whether it's ObamaCare numbers, employment numbers, or even the average annual temperature of the US in 1947.

And when the media does not pick this important stuff up ---- it hinders VOTER judgement of how broken the oversight and bureaucratic management really is..

While it is never good when there is a corrupt environment within a given govt. agency, what you linked to does not confirm the "feeling" that no numbers can be trusted.

You have not debunked AGW with this story about a shitty lab. You have not cast doubt on the numbers regarding employment nor the ACA for anyone who isn't a crazed conspiracy theorist.

The fact that the media ignores this story is not proof that oversight is lacking. It is proof that the media goes where the juicy stuff is.

This lab didn't seem to have much to do with AGW at all. And I didn't bring it up.. But numbers are being cooked DAILY in those labs as well.. Very busy "adjusting" termpertures from the 30s and 40s DOWN so that more NEW records will be set today.

This is just a systemic illness in the way that "government science" and government bookkeeping are being corrupted to the point where the numbers are USELESS. You can mislead with numbers and statistics or you can downright LIE --- and evidently the OIGeneral will allow you to spin and mislead -- but not to fabricate, manipulate and lie.

How much public policy discussion and funding has been wasted because WE didn't have the true FACTS about energy and water and land contamination???
 
I don't understand why it's generally agreed that money can corrupt any enterprise but you people seem to think that scientists and their work cannot be.

Is it really so hard to think that labs universities and research groups that get millions in government funding will skew their numbers so as to keep the money rolling in?

What I KNOW and have observed, is that academics and industry that rely on government grants will almost ALWAYS skew their Abstracts or put a couple unproven assertions into their Conclusions. But in general, the science WITHIN the paper is straight up and passes integrity testing..

Draw your own conclusions if an entire AGENCY or government lab wants to chance pissing off their ONLY source of income..
 
Someone could ask

Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9 times the ice of the other, the Arctic?

and if you can figure out the answer, you just figured out what does cause climate change (position of land) and what doesn't (trace atmospheric gasses)....
 
Someone could ask

Why does one Earth polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9 times the ice of the other, the Arctic?

and if you can figure out the answer, you just figured out what does cause climate change (position of land) and what doesn't (trace atmospheric gasses)....
you had a thread on this already fuckchop

so stay on topic or bump your dead thread
 

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