Federal Judge Orders Trump and Musk To Quit Firing Federal Employees And That Previous Firings Should Be Rescinded

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Roberts about to shut all this down

Different case

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Please keep up with the thread. The post was offered as an example of activist judges being put in their places. It also answers just one of the cases where this has happened--a harbinger of more to come. Get used to it. BTW, no workers have been let go unlawfully. Federal employment is not a lifetime appointment.

Do you at least understand that there is a proper way to do things?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Nope.
The American People voted for President Trump in a overwhelming majority to conduct sweeping audits of the federal government.
This judge has no right to thwart or stop the will of The American People.

So are you claiming that you and the others who voted for Trump voted for him to trample all over the rights of the American people, including members of the federal workforce?

 

[Concerned American]

Do you at least understand that there is a proper way to do things?

When you are layed off or fired, there is no requirement to molly coddle you. You are an adult. People are dying in the world. Having to find a job in America is no great inconvenience. Buck up and be responsible.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

When you are layed off or fired, there is no requirement to molly coddle you. You are an adult. People are dying in the world. Having to find a job in America is no great inconvenience. Buck up and be responsible.

Is that your way of saying no, you don't understand that there is a proper way & improper way to do things?

 

[Mac-7]

I have more respect for your opinion than I do for 90% of those posting on this board because I thought you at some point indicated that you were/are a practicing attorney. Whether you are or not you seem pretty savvy when it comes to legal matters. So if these federal workers are not at-will employees why do you believe they have no grounds for their claims?

I disagree that they have no grounds for their claims but I'm always open to learning something new especially in an area in which I am not a professional.

Liberals think that the unelected administrative state, aka Deep State, is the 4th branch of government

And the most important branch

But you are wrong

 

[mikegriffith1]

Happened earlier tonight. --

A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Office of Personnel Management to rescind directives that initiated the mass firing of probationary workers across the government, ruling that the terminations were probably illegal, as a group of labor unions argued in court.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered OPM to rescind its previous directives to more than two dozen agencies, including the Department of Defense, the Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the National Science Foundation and others identified in a lawsuit. The ruling — a temporary restraint on the government that will be revisited in the coming weeks — is one of the biggest roadblocks so far to President Donald Trump’s effort to slash the federal workforce.

And this is a Federal judge's way of telling Trump and his incompetent, deranged government that it's full of #$*#$. --

“Congress has given the authority to hire and fire to the agencies themselves. The Department of Defense, for example, has statutory authority to hire and fire,” Alsup said from the bench as he handed down the ruling Thursday evening in federal court in San Francisco. “The Office of Personnel Management does not have any authority whatsoever, under any statute in the history of the universe, to hire and fire employees at another agency. They can hire and fire their own employees.”

FYI, the president has the constitutional and statutory authority to fire/lay off federal employees. OPM was acting under the president's direct order and authority. Plus, Trump told the heads of all the affected agencies to implement the layoffs. OPM was just the intermediary that Trump used initially.

BTW, are you aware that Bill Clinton laid off over 400,000 federal employees? Trump's workforce reduction will only total about 240,000, or 8% of the workforce, far less then Clinton's reduction.

 

[justoffal]

It’s a TRO from a judge that the unions judged- shop to find. I predict that either he rules the firings legal when both sides present cases, or he is overruled by the Ninth Circuit. Department heads have firing authority.

It's a pretty stupid ruling considering that Trump's appointees to head those departments are only going to do what he asks anyway. At most that will buy them a month. You can't stop the boss from firing someone because he's the boss.

 

[The Duke]

The judge's ruling is the only "news" I need.....and you lose.

Different case

Judges are not given Article II powers under The Constitution.
Especially not lower court judges that are appointed. Trump can do just about whatever the hell he wants in regards to The Executive Branch, Foreign Policy, and The Military.

 

[Modern Messiah]

So are you claiming that you and the others who voted for Trump voted for him to trample all over the rights of the American people, including members of the federal workforce?

You conclusions are incorrect from the start.
Your conclusions are consistently wrong because they are based on your arbitrary, indoctrinated hate of President Trump.
Try logic instead of raw emotion. Your conclusions will then have more validity.
President Trump and Elon Musk are not trampling anyone's rights.
These agencies are being audited. Nobody is above being audited.
When DOGE audited these agencies they found an unbelievable amount of corruption, grift, abuse, waste and fraud.
FACT!!!

 

[Modern Messiah]

Ayup. 1%

Put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

Nope.
Don't know why I have to keep repeating this to you leftists. I guess I have a soft spot for the low info crowd.
I'm an optimist not a pessimist. I truly want to believe that someday you will overcome your intellectual weaknesses.
Again,
312>226
Popular Vote by millions of votes
All swing states
Almost every county in USA swung Republican based on President Trump's popularity
Senate gained a majority based on President Trump's popularity
Congress gained a majority based on his popularity
He not only beat cornpop
He also beat cackles
It was a landslide victory and that equals MANDATE

 

[Modern Messiah]

Why do you repeat these lies?

49.8% of the vote is not an "overwhelming majority".

You keep clinging to you wild theories
Try to drop the mindless TDS for a moment and learn something.
President Trump won the Popular Vote by millions. That's right MILLIONS!!!
That is a majority.
That's right children, the word of the day is majority.
Go look up (majority) in a dictionary and then use it in a sentence.

 

[WorldWatcher]

No, shitforbrains. The Deep State is sabotaging the federal government.

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[Dr. Phosphorous]

I'm a "fascist" because I point out that you on the left are up to your usual tricks with lawfare, Doc? You judge shop so you can hamstring whatever policies Trump is trying to push. You lost the election because people are sick of the left's failed policies and want Trump to fix what you broke but you don't care.

Pointing out that Trump and Musk are breaking the law is not a "trick". And it's obvious that they are, as the judge stated in his ruling. This isn't even close.

Only caveman fascists think the way you do.

 

[westwall]

Pointing out that Trump and Musk are breaking the law is not a "trick". And it's obvious that they are, as the judge stated in his ruling. This isn't even close.

Only caveman fascists think the way you do.

What law are they breaking? Be specific.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Biden ignored them and you supported him so go piss up a rope you lying prick.

You keep lying about this every fucking time. I've already proven to you that Biden did not ignore any judicial rulings.

And even if I conceded the student loan bullshit to you (and I'm not), it doesn't compare to the horrible shit Trump is doing right now. Not even close.

 

[Zafira Cherry]

The firings have been coming from the imbecile Elon Musk at OPM, as the judge stated. --

“The Office of Personnel Management does not have any authority whatsoever, under any statute in the history of the universe, to hire and fire employees at another agency. They can hire and fire their own employees.”

OPM does not have this authority, under Federal law. Congress has assigned hiring and firing authority to all of the Federal agencies, not to freaking OPM.

good report. I am going to "follow" you. Keep it up

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

What law are they breaking? Be specific.

The judge already explained it. OPM and Musk do not have the power to fire Federal employees at other agencies outside of OPM. It's that simple. It violates Federal law.

You crying about it is not an argument.

 

[Concerned American]

Is that your way of saying no, you don't understand that there is a proper way & improper way to do things?

There is a legal way of doing things. That is being followed sorry if it hurts your feelings.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

FYI, the president has the constitutional and statutory authority to fire/lay off federal employees. OPM was acting under the president's direct order and authority. Plus, Trump told the heads of all the affected agencies to implement the layoffs. OPM was just the intermediary that Trump used initially.

Which is a violation of Federal law....as the judge explained.

Musk/OPM was firing Federal employees before most of Trump's cabinet secretaries had even been confirmed.

BTW, are you aware that Bill Clinton laid off over 400,000 federal employees? Trump's workforce reduction will only total about 240,000, or 8% of the workforce, far less then Clinton's reduction.

And Clinton did it legally. He took his time and competently determined where the most bloat was at in the Federal government.

Clinton didn't claim "fraud, waste abuse" on Day 1 with no evidence, like Musk does. He didn't fire people and gloat about it online, like Musk does. He didn't wave around a chainsaw at CPAC and gloat about it, like Musk does. Treating people with respect actually does matter....just not to fucked up MAGA cavemen like Trump and Musk.

This is what the right always does when they lose an argument -- compare apples to elephants.