Zone1 Feasibility of US-Canada Unification?

One pretty major problem...
75% - 80% of Canadians do not want to be American...

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I don't think the MAGA crowd get it... US has one of the highest income gaps, highest child poverty, lower life expectancy in the first world...
Canada has better education systema nd batter healthcare system... Which match their wishes...

Why would they want to come part a country where the highest killer of kids in gun violence...

 
Both nations are too big now. Communication and transportation across continental distance will be slower, more difficult, and more expensive without cheap oil and cheap electricity. With climate change, there will be some population movement northwards. Parts of former Canada may merge with parts of the former USA.
 
I am posting this is the Clean Debate Zone in order to avoid irrelevant emotional and illogical responses. I hope the mods will help out.

1. Economic Union. It seems that Canada's economy is so intertwined with the US economy that maintaining separate rules for each country is an unnecessary and counterproductive distinction.

They Canadians don't think so. They find their laws quite necessary and productive. US financial laws for example are so loose and so poorly crafted that the US financial industry has gone on long cycles of boom and bust with round after round of bank collapses.

Canada's financial industry in comparison is historically far more stable with very few such busts.

No one wants to be the 51st state.
2. Military Union. It seems that maintaining separate military establishments is inefficient and inequitable. By necessity, the US is forced to provide the same level of defense for Canada that it provides for its own States.

That's not true. Canada has its own military. The US military and Canadian military cooperate closely for common defense. The rate of active duty service is about double in the US than it is Canada. Which still put the Canadian active duty percentages at around .16% to the American .38 %

And again, national defense isn't what the US does. The US projects its power around the world far beyond what is necessary to protect its own sovereign borders. Or Canada's, for that matter.

The greatest defense either nation has are the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
3. Political Union. It seems that Canada could retain its identity and customs under the US State/Federal system, particularly if Constitutional Amendment addressed this issue.
Or they can retain their own identity and customs without the US. Canada gains nothing they don't already have and lose sovereignty.

Its a poor deal.

4. Other Issues. The idea of Canada becoming the largest state of the USA might create some unintended political consequences. With over 40 million residents, it would have an outsized influence on federal elections. In addition, Quebec would probably be opposed to any union that did not preserve the special privileges it now enjoys from the rest of Canada. (On the other hand, an isolated Quebec would quickly descend into third-world status.)

One possible scenario in which unification might become feasible would be for Canada to be represented by two or more States. The Province of Ontario has about 15 million people, and Quebec has about 9 million, so let's start with them as States. The Maritime Provinces have about 2.5 million, so they could decide to become part of Quebec, Maine and/or Greenland. On the West Coast, British Columbia could join up with Washington, Alaska or Hawaii. That leaves the Prairie Provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They are the heartland of Canada and could join up with their sister States across their southern borders. The Northern Territories could associate with Greenland, creating a solid wall of defense for North America.

I know this sounds outlandish, but maybe we could join in this intellectual exercise and leave our emotional outbursts at the door.

It seems unnecessary and a bad deal for Canada. They already have a great national defense. They have no one who can plausibly attack them due in large part to geographic serendipity. Their greatest threat, logistically, would be the US itself.

They would sacrifice soverienty, culture, a single payer healthcare system, economic stability, bodily autonomy, practical safety, in exchange for what that they don't already have?

Its a terrible deal for Canadians. Which might explain why there is so little support for it. No one wants to be 51st state.
 
Canada would fight and invoke NATO TO HELP.
You think NATO would try a reverse Reforger in the face of US naval and air power? All that would result is a lot of crashed European airlifters and ships. Lant Fleet alone has more combat power than all the other NATO nations combined. NATO forces are designed as a supplement to the US forces that are the backbone of NATO and always have been.
 
You think NATO would try a reverse Reforger in the face of US naval and air power? All that would result is a lot of crashed European airlifters and ships. Lant Fleet alone has more combat power than all the other NATO nations combined. NATO forces are designed as a supplement to the US forces that are the backbone of NATO and always have been.
You know you're the bad guy when you're day dreaming of conquering Canada.

Back 2024 we had a free trade agreement with Canada. We had specialized travel and commerce trading arrangements. We were both part of NORAD and NATO.

Trump tore all that up.
 
The American people will demand an impeachment if the US were ordered to invade Canada.
 
They don’t want to be independent they keep voting to be part of Canada.

French Canadian folks don’t just live in Quebec they live all across Canada.
And Populist Nationalist Constitutionalist Conservative Americans live all Across America too
 
This thread was started based on an irrational and emotional belief. There is no benefit to Canada in giving up their government to merge with us.
 
I am posting this is the Clean Debate Zone in order to avoid irrelevant emotional and illogical responses. I hope the mods will help out.

1. Economic Union. It seems that Canada's economy is so intertwined with the US economy that maintaining separate rules for each country is an unnecessary and counterproductive distinction.
Like the EU?

European states joined without giving up sovereignty and becoming a lager nation.
 
And Populist Nationalist Constitutionalist Conservative Americans live all Across America too
Send them back to France along with the Statue of Liberty? Many Americans dislike the Statue and what it stands for, and many Americans could never, ever get along with the Frogs

I am posting this is the Clean Debate Zone in order to avoid irrelevant emotional and illogical responses. I hope the mods will help out.

1. Economic Union. It seems that Canada's economy is so intertwined with the US economy that maintaining separate rules for each country is an unnecessary and counterproductive distinction.

2. Military Union. It seems that maintaining separate military establishments is inefficient and inequitable. By necessity, the US is forced to provide the same level of defense for Canada that it provides for its own States.

3. Political Union. It seems that Canada could retain its identity and customs under the US State/Federal system, particularly if Constitutional Amendment addressed this issue.

4. Other Issues. The idea of Canada becoming the largest state of the USA might create some unintended political consequences. With over 40 million residents, it would have an outsized influence on federal elections. In addition, Quebec would probably be opposed to any union that did not preserve the special privileges it now enjoys from the rest of Canada. (On the other hand, an isolated Quebec would quickly descend into third-world status.)

One possible scenario in which unification might become feasible would be for Canada to be represented by two or more States. The Province of Ontario has about 15 million people, and Quebec has about 9 million, so let's start with them as States. The Maritime Provinces have about 2.5 million, so they could decide to become part of Quebec, Maine and/or Greenland. On the West Coast, British Columbia could join up with Washington, Alaska or Hawaii. That leaves the Prairie Provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. They are the heartland of Canada and could join up with their sister States across their southern borders. The Northern Territories could associate with Greenland, creating a solid wall of defense for North America.

I know this sounds outlandish, but maybe we could join in this intellectual exercise and leave our emotional outbursts at the door.

Given that Canada is one of the top 5 nations in the world to live in and the USA doesn't even make the top 20, we'd have to be out of our minds to want to amalgamate with the fucked up mess that is the USA today.

The difference being that your economy is structured to benefit the wealthy, and impoverish the working and middle class, and our economy is structured to benefit the working and middle class.

The American economy has always relied upon a large pool of disenfranchised cheap labour, who will never have full participation in your democracy. Initially it was the slaves, then the "guest workers", and now, it's illegal immigrants.

Our economy has been built on a fair deal and opportunity for all Canadians. Our average incomes are similar, but working Canadians don't have to pay out thousands of dollars every year in for health insurance or co-pays.

The money in our schools is spent in the classrooms, on a non-politicized education system which is top of the world.
 
Given that Canada is one of the top 5 nations in the world to live in and the USA doesn't even make the top 20, we'd have to be out of our minds to want to amalgamate with the fucked up mess that is the USA today.

The difference being that your economy is structured to benefit the wealthy, and impoverish the working and middle class, and our economy is structured to benefit the working and middle class.

The American economy has always relied upon a large pool of disenfranchised cheap labour, who will never have full participation in your democracy. Initially it was the slaves, then the "guest workers", and now, it's illegal immigrants.

Our economy has been built on a fair deal and opportunity for all Canadians. Our average incomes are similar, but working Canadians don't have to pay out thousands of dollars every year in for health insurance or co-pays.

The money in our schools is spent in the classrooms, on a non-politicized education system which is top of the world.
That is why in last 40 Years 1/8th of the Populace of Canada moved to the US
 
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