FBI Seizes Maricopa AZ Election Records

[martybegan]

Was 2024 election clean? Did Trump win legitimately?

How about in 2016? Was the election clean and Trump won the election legitimately?

I believe so for both 2016 and 2024.


2020 has some weird metrics and of course all that mail in voting, making it different from 2024 and 2016.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I believe so for both 2016 and 2024.


2020 has some weird metrics and of course all that mail in voting, making it different from 2024 and 2016.

Yet it was the same people in charge of the elections with the same processes, and the same lost legal cases.

 

[martybegan]

Yet it was the same people in charge of the elections with the same processes, and the same lost legal cases.

The thing is the States that I have my doubts about weren't as close in 2024 and 2016 vs 2020, and again, the COVID created swarm of changes to ballot rules and regulations.

The people in charge didn't want to upset the apple cart if they weren't in on it, and if they were in on it, well, that's self explanatory.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The thing is the States that I have my doubts about weren't as close in 2024 and 2016 vs 2020, and again, the COVID created swarm of changes to ballot rules and regulations.

Yes, because Covid.

 

[Care4all]

I believe so for both 2016 and 2024.


2020 has some weird metrics and of course all that mail in voting, making it different from 2024 and 2016.

2024 had high mail in voting too!

All polling from early 2020 showed Biden winning....that's why Trump was already prepping his followers in June of 2020 with his brainwashing tactic of repetitiveness, that the election would be stolen from him, if he didn't win....

...and that's why Trump early on tried to get President Zelensky with his perfect phone call, to get Zelensky to falsely claim Biden and son were being investigated there in the Ukraine so he could use it in his campaign to try to make up for his lost ground to Biden in the campaign.

I don't know why you guys can't see these things that are clear as day?

Trump is not stupid when it comes to his ability to judge and foresee what it will take to falsely convince his followers, to believe him and his lies.

I think it's time to ask yourself, why you let him manipulate you like that...? You're such a smart younger man....

 

[martybegan]

Yes, because Covid.

Which was the cover for the things I am concerned about.

 

[martybegan]

2024 had high mail in voting too!

All polling from early 2020 showed Biden winning....that's why Trump was already prepping his followers in June of 2020 with his brainwashing tactic of repetitiveness, that the election would be stolen from him, if he didn't win....

...and that's why Trump early on tried to get President Zelensky with his perfect phone call, to get Zelensky to falsely claim Biden and son were being investigated there in the Ukraine so he could use it in his campaign to try to make up for his lost ground to Biden in the campaign.

I don't know why you guys can't see these things that are clear as day?

Trump is not stupid when it comes to his ability to judge and foresee what it will take to falsely convince his followers, to believe him and his lies.

I think it's time to ask yourself, why you let him manipulate you like that...? You're such a smart younger man....

2016 showed Hillary winning, and 2024 showed the race a lot closer than it was, so the polling doesn't impress me.

I don't know why you don't think people that claim Trump is "the end of democracy" wouldn't cheat to prevent him from winning.

 

[candycorn]

2016 showed Hillary winning, and 2024 showed the race a lot closer than it was, so the polling doesn't impress me.

I don't know why you don't think people that claim Trump is "the end of democracy" wouldn't cheat to prevent him from winning.

You never explained how the democrats rigged it all in 2020 but somehow lost seats in Congress and a lot of state legislatures. It would seem as though the cheating would yield wins, not losses...

One such loss by the democrats (it was a GOP hold) was in the CA-25th district.

Are you telling me that the sophisticated voter fraud scheme in California was so inept that they couldn’t just flip this one seat by 0.05%?

There was no sizable voter fraud in CA or anywhere else.

Again, there were something like 8,000 losers on election night. Why aren’t any of the other losers still whining about voter fraud?

Your
Blob
Lost

Get over it.

 

[martybegan]

You never explained how the democrats rigged it all in 2020 but somehow lost seats in Congress and a lot of state legislatures. It would seem as though the cheating would yield wins, not losses...

One such loss by the democrats (it was a GOP hold) was in the CA-25th district.

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Are you telling me that the sophisticated voter fraud scheme in California was so inept that they couldn’t just flip this one seat by 0.05%?

There was no sizable voter fraud in CA or anywhere else.

Again, there were something like 8,000 losers on election night. Why aren’t any of the other losers still whining about voter fraud?

Your
Blob
Lost

Get over it.

Because the cheating only has to be in certain areas to skew the EC to achieve the result results they wanted?

C'mon, try harder than that.

 

[candycorn]

Because the cheating only has to be in certain areas to skew the EC to achieve the result results they wanted?

Yeah...that is a brainless analysis.

For one thing; presidential programs mean little if the Congress doesn’t go along with you.

For another thing; since rigging one election on the ballot is already a felony, there is no downside to rigging multiple elections on a ballot.

For a third reason; the state elections on the same ballots shifted the nation to the right further. Of course this meant cutting social services, expanding white nationalism, etc... Rigging those elections would free up federal dollars for other initiatives. But somehow they were not rigged?

So you’re 0 for 3 there pal.

Still you didn’t answer why the borderline less than 1% margin districts were held on by Republicans if there was such widespread voter fraud.

C'mon, try harder than that.

No need. I blew you out of the water in one post.

 

[martybegan]

Yeah...that is a brainless analysis.

For one thing; presidential programs mean little if the Congress doesn’t go along with you.

For another thing; since rigging one election on the ballot is already a felony, there is no downside to rigging multiple elections on a ballot.

For a third reason; the state elections on the same ballots shifted the nation to the right further. Of course this meant cutting social services, expanding white nationalism, etc... Rigging those elections would free up federal dollars for other initiatives. But somehow they were not rigged?

So you’re 0 for 3 there pal.

Still you didn’t answer why the borderline less than 1% margin districts were held on by Republicans if there was such widespread voter fraud.


No need. I blew you out of the water in one post.

Who cares if things were close in California? Those EV's were long spoken for. What matters is what happened in the blue areas of Swing States.

None of your responses mean anything.

 

[candycorn]

Who cares if things were close in California?

When you have a less than 10 vote margin in the House, you don’t care where the seats are as long as they vote with your majority.

Those EV's were long spoken for. What matters is what happened in the blue areas of Swing States.

Again...your analysis is completely brainless since you need to get Congress to go along with you.

None of your responses mean anything.

You refuse to acknowledge facts such as 51 votes in the Senate and 218 in the House to pass bills.

Those are mandatory to implementing a presidential agenda.

Just saying (as you are) they don’t matter is pure idiocy.

 

[martybegan]

When you have a less than 10 vote margin in the House, you don’t care where the seats are as long as they vote with your majority.

Again...your analysis is completely brainless since you need to get Congress to go along with you.

You refuse to acknowledge facts such as 51 votes in the Senate and 218 in the House to pass bills.

Those are mandatory to implementing a presidential agenda.

Just saying (as you are) they don’t matter is pure idiocy.

You are deflecting from my point. The goal, if the cheat was on, was to stop Trump from winning again, they didn't give a rat's ass about congress, because they knew they would have RINOs to work with.

The overall goal was to stop Trump. Then follow up with the lawfare that backfired on you idiots spectacularly and got him elected again in 2024.

The people in question wouldn't care about getting their agenda, they cared about getting rid of Trump. (and they got some of their agenda, like massive illegal immigration, Tranny idiocy, and massive NGO funding anyway)

 

[konradv]

FBI secretly seizes election records from Arizona’s largest county as voting probe expands

A grand jury subpoena comes after the Arizona Senate raised concerns dating to 2020, and the FBI learned of congressional report from 2024.

justthenews.com

This is excellent news, if true. Several counties were key in giving the 2020 election to Biden.

More Trump/MAGA fascism.

 

[candycorn]

You are deflecting from my point.

No, I’m destroying your hilarious point. Its been pretty easy too.

The goal, if the cheat was on, was to stop Trump from winning again, they didn't give a rat's ass about congress, because they knew they would have RINOs to work with.

Again, that point is completely brainless; especially given the paper thin margins it took to pass the ACA (to just name one bill), BBB, etc...

The people in question wouldn't care about getting their agenda, they cared about getting rid of Trump.

You’ve gone from just being stupid to being moronic at this point.

Again, its a felony to rig one race 1,000 times (to just name a number--you guys will never tell us how many ballots were dumped); rigging 20 races on the same 1000 ballots would not increase the penalty much.

Thus...your analysis remains brainless.

 

[22lcidw]

When you have a less than 10 vote margin in the House, you don’t care where the seats are as long as they vote with your majority.

Again...your analysis is completely brainless since you need to get Congress to go along with you.

You refuse to acknowledge facts such as 51 votes in the Senate and 218 in the House to pass bills.

Those are mandatory to implementing a presidential agenda.

Just saying (as you are) they don’t matter is pure idiocy.

And the men and women who have left office in the Republican Party after elected to office in the House with a small advantage as it was, can go phuk themselves.

 

[martybegan]

No, I’m destroying your hilarious point. Its been pretty easy too.

Again, that point is completely brainless; especially given the paper thin margins it took to pass the ACA (to just name one bill), BBB, etc...



You’ve gone from just being stupid to being moronic at this point.

Again, its a felony to rig one race 1,000 times (to just name a number--you guys will never tell us how many ballots were dumped); rigging 20 races on the same 1000 ballots would not increase the penalty much.

Thus...your analysis remains brainless.

You haven't destroyed anything. Your credibility on this board was already burnt to a crisp.

People like you simply can't be trusted in this issue because you are OK with it because you got what you wanted.

 

[candycorn]

You haven't destroyed anything. Your credibility on this board was already burnt to a crisp.

Oh darn really?

LOL

People like you simply can't be trusted in this issue because you are OK with it because you got what you wanted.

In one sense yes....as all of the audits, re-counts, and examinations have proven, it got us a free and fair election.

The only reason you’re bitching about it is because you’re in a cult and your supreme leader can’t be defeated. So you’ve concocted this 6 year campaign of non-sense. You haven’t won a single court case, haven’t reversed one out come, and have only made a fool of yourself.

 

[Lockback]

Oh darn really?

LOL

In one sense yes....as all of the audits, re-counts, and examinations have proven, it got us a free and fair election.

The only reason you’re bitching about it is because you’re in a cult and your supreme leader can’t be defeated. So you’ve concocted this 6 year campaign of non-sense. You haven’t won a single court case, haven’t reversed one out come, and have only made a fool of yourself.

"Look, even I know that's total bullshit."

 

[martybegan]

Oh darn really?

LOL

In one sense yes....as all of the audits, re-counts, and examinations have proven, it got us a free and fair election.

The only reason you’re bitching about it is because you’re in a cult and your supreme leader can’t be defeated. So you’ve concocted this 6 year campaign of non-sense. You haven’t won a single court case, haven’t reversed one out come, and have only made a fool of yourself.

I have my doubts.

Actually if you guys did cheat in 2020 it was all for naught, because that loss added to the lawfare got us a far Trumpier Trump in 2024.