FactChecking the First Debate

[longknife]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

 

[OnePercenter]

You forget that Trump isn't trying to win.

 

[toxicmedia]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Did you know that in most English language dictionaries.....the definition of the word "lie" includes creating false or misleading impressions?

 

[Weatherman2020]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

I think Ford is pulling a government con job. Ask for a 50% larger budget, get 25% and it's a 25% cut. Ford could have hired a lot of people in America with that plant but there is not a net loss company wide.

 

[longknife]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

You mean these?

 

[The Irish Ram]

He failed to engage Hillary on almost every point of contention. Lying to the families of the dead in Benghazi, The Libya mess. The Syrian mess, The Iran mess. The health issues, pay to play, bringing blacks to heel. Paying her female employees less than their male counterparts. NAFTA, the Muslim Brotherhood/Egypt mess, pneumonia for a year. No press conferences, Sir Hillary namesake, raising taxes, selling American land to Putin, bringing as many Muslims as she can here,regardless of their intentions once they get here. Most Americans would like to go to a mall or nightclub without being murdered by her migrants. He needs to step it up. It's a Clinton, the ammo is extensive.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

You mean these?

So Ford is moving an empty building to another nation?
Please continue, this is interesting.

 

[Weatherman2020]

He failed to engage Hillary on almost every point of contention. Lying to the families of the dead in Benghazi, The Libya mess. The Syrian mess, The Iran mess. The health issues, pay to play, bringing blacks to heel. Paying her female employees less than their male counterparts. NAFTA, the Muslim Brotherhood/Egypt mess, pneumonia for a year. No press conferences, Sir Hillary namesake, raising taxes, selling American land to Putin, bringing as many Muslims as she can here,regardless of their intentions once they get here. Most Americans would like to go to a mall or nightclub without being murdered by her migrants. He needs to step it up. It's a Clinton, the ammo is extensive.

I have always believed he got in it to help Clinton. It's just gone further than anyone dreamed.

 

[longknife]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

You mean these?

So Ford is moving an empty building to another nation?
Please continue, this is interesting.

You post was:

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

Well, these are photos of two manufacturing facilities with zero people in them! Hard to understand?

 

[Weatherman2020]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

You mean these?

So Ford is moving an empty building to another nation?
Please continue, this is interesting.

You post was:

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

Well, these are photos of two manufacturing facilities with zero people in them! Hard to understand?

You misunderstand. Ford claims moving a facility offshore will not cause jobs to be lost. That's impossible. All manufacturing requiring employees.

And as an unimportant point - your photos are of former manufacturing facilities.

 

[Zander]

He sucked, and he still won.

He used the first debate as a mock debate.

hiLIARy shot her wad.

He's just starting.

She's done.

 

[candycorn]

This ought to stir up a lot of debate in itself.



Clinton wrongly said that the only tax returns that anyone has seen from Trump “showed he didn’t pay any federal income tax.” Trump paid federal taxes in three out of five years in the 1970s.

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

Trump left the false impression that the Obama administration failed to disclose the full amount paid to Iran in January to settle a long outstanding claim.

Clinton said Trump thinks “climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.” Trump denied it. In 2012, he tweeted that the Chinese had created global warming but later said he was joking.

Trump claimed without evidence that the Clinton campaign in 2008 was pushing “very hard” the false story that President Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii.

Trump claimed “the record shows” he was opposed to the Iraq War before it started, but there is no record of that.

Trump said “murders are up” in New York City since ending stop-and-frisk policies, while Clinton said “crime, including murders” is down. Both are correct.

Clinton claimed she had said she “hoped” the Trans-Pacific Partnership would be a “good deal,” when she originally supported it. But at the time, Clinton said it “sets the gold standard.”

Clinton said “independent experts” concluded that Trump’s plans would cause a loss of 3.5 million jobs while hers would create 10 million jobs. But Trump has released a new tax plan since that report, and the projected job creation under Clinton is 3.2 million more than what would be added under current law.

Clinton said Trump’s businesses had filed for bankruptcy six times; he said it was four. Clinton is right.



Much, much more commentary and analyses @ FactChecking the First Debate

Trump was right in saying that Ford is moving its small-car division overseas, but wrong in claiming that as a result, thousands of jobs are leaving Michigan and Ohio. Ford’s CEO insists not a single job will be lost in the U.S.

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

You mean these?

So Ford is moving an empty building to another nation?
Please continue, this is interesting.

You post was:

I've been in manufacturing for over 40 years. I never heard of a manufacturing facility with zero people in it.

Well, these are photos of two manufacturing facilities with zero people in them! Hard to understand?

You misunderstand. Ford claims moving a facility offshore will not cause jobs to be lost. That's impossible. All manufacturing requiring employees.

And as an unimportant point - your photos are of former manufacturing facilities.

Its hard for him to see the screen when longknife is foaming at the mouth.