Fact about d day.....thousands of Americans died because

[jc456]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

which ones are against the 2nd amendment and loss of freedom of speech? enlighten the class.

Ignore the idiot

I like to embarrass him. It's easy. It wasn't even on topic. had nothing to do with the thousands that perished on this day 75 years ago. He's not even grateful.

He's a kid with tourettes.

 

[Maxdeath]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

I think you are slightly confused on your numbers. I believe that slightly 7000 was the total number of planes involved some of those were fighters, some were troop transports, some were even gliders. I don't believe that the number you are quoting were all dropping bombs.

You still Continue to say that they missed. It is easy to claim that if you have never been in combat. If you do not understand what a bunker is. If you have never been shot at. My best guess is that a large percentage of what was targeted was hit. You pretending that they were all incompetent and you are the only one to see that is the greatest of egos.

 

[Camp]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

You can not back up any of the misinformation and nonsense you are posting. You have no clue what a heavy machine gun is. An MG-42 and MG-34 were crew operated machineguns and carried by platoon-sized units.

 

[deanrd]

I was wondering why Trump spoke in such a careful mono tone. So slow and deliberate. And why he was only looking at one spot and then another spot. And then they brought the camera out and I realized he was reading off the teleprompters.
Such an important speech and he was reading off the teleprompters.
Remember how they endlessly talked about Obama using teleprompters when he only used one occasionally? Or Hillary using a Teleprompter when she only used one occasionally? Trump uses teleprompters to keep him from embarrassing the country. And he still embarrasses the country. They hate him in Europe.

 

[Frannie]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

which ones are against the 2nd amendment and loss of freedom of speech? enlighten the class.

Ignore the idiot

I like to embarrass him. It's easy. It wasn't even on topic. had nothing to do with the thousands that perished on this day 75 years ago. He's not even grateful.

He's a kid with tourettes.

His hate will haunt him to the grave

 

[jc456]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

which ones are against the 2nd amendment and loss of freedom of speech? enlighten the class.

Ignore the idiot

I like to embarrass him. It's easy. It wasn't even on topic. had nothing to do with the thousands that perished on this day 75 years ago. He's not even grateful.

He's a kid with tourettes.

His hate will haunt him to the grave

he is unaware.

 

[SmokeALib]

Outright Nazis are running as Republicans, so don't worry about the Democratic left

What’s weird is that we have a republican president celebrating the defeat of Nazis overseas and yet Nazis are running for office in this country as Republicans. How can that be?

Nazis are leftists - just as yourself.

 

[Frannie]

7000 planes all missed their targets on the landing beaches......

Why should any German machine gun have survived 7000 planes attacking?

Who planned this Charlie Brown

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

You can not back up any of the misinformation and nonsense you are posting. You have no clue what a heavy machine gun is. An MG-42 and MG-34 were crew operated machineguns and carried by platoon-sized units.

I believe that the German heavy guns were set into concrete bunker emplacements. The Germans expected the attack remember

 

[SmokeALib]

I was wondering why Trump spoke in such a careful mono tone. So slow and deliberate. And why he was only looking at one spot and then another spot. And then they brought the camera out and I realized he was reading off the teleprompters.
Such an important speech and he was reading off the teleprompters.
Remember how they endlessly talked about Obama using teleprompters when he only used one occasionally? Or Hillary using a Teleprompter when she only used one occasionally? Trump uses teleprompters to keep him from embarrassing the country. And he still embarrasses the country. They hate him in Europe.

Wrong thread dickhead. Go take your worthless leftist traitor propaganda somewhere else.

 

[dannyboys]

[Q


Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

The US decided not to field a heavy tank in WWII. Instead they decided to combat enemy armor with artillery and air power and that proved successful. We inflicted heavy losses on German armor.

Our tanks were never designed to go tow to toe with German heavy tanks. Our tanks were designed to support infantry and they did a good job at that.

It takes a lot of logistics to keep a heavy tank operational. We chose not to go that route. The Germans never had more than 50% of their heavy tanks operational at one time. Sometimes it was as low as 20%.

We knew that we would have air superiority in the European campaign and knew that air power was going to be more effective than tank battles.

Good strategic decision.

Sounds good on paper, so why did we incur the heavy losses? Also, sometimes planes couldn't fly due to weather. Think the Bulge.

The bottom line is we could have done BOTH. We had that industrial might to do it. We chose to use men as cannon fodder instead. The only reason the allies won is far more men to EXPEND, and for more equipment to EXPEND, and the fuel and logistics to supply both.

Looking back it was a poor decision to sacrifice so many lives unnecessarily. Yes, strategically we eventually won, but at what cost?

So your grandchildren don't have to speak 'high german'!
And GOD help you if your heritage was not 'pure lain' Germanic!
(Excepting Adolph of course)
Ever been to a deli? Now imagine only eating schnitzel for the rest of your life.

 

[Camp]

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

You can not back up any of the misinformation and nonsense you are posting. You have no clue what a heavy machine gun is. An MG-42 and MG-34 were crew operated machineguns and carried by platoon-sized units.

I believe that the German heavy guns were set into concrete bunker emplacements. The Germans expected the attack remember

You are wrong and have no clue about what you are talking about. A crew operated heavy machinegun is transported by a crew of soldiers. Hence, mobile by design and operated by small squads numbering usually a handful of soldiers. Germans had thousands of them, not a dozen.

 

[task0778]

In the early hours of June 6, 1944, in the middle of the night, the 8th and 9th Air Force of the USAAF belonging to the 2nd Tactical Air Force, supported by British bombers and allies (and in particular French), are charged, within the framework of Operation Neptune, to silence all the important objectives identified in the months prior to D-Day by reconnaissance aircraft. Thus, 360 heavy bombers supported by 269 light bombers fly over convoys of warships and transport that are heading to the Normandy coast.

These devices attack the fortifications of the Atlantic Wall, despite the presence of many clouds, which handicap the identification of targets. 92 radar stations are bombed, from the tip of Barfleur to Le Havre, so that the allied armada is not noticed by the radio operators of the Kriegsmarine . 74 stations are destroyed by the aviation, the operation is rather a success.

But the bombing of some targets on the coast (artillery batteries, support batteries, fortified points), turns out to be a relatively difficult operation.

Indeed, the heavy cloud mass hinders the crews of the bombers. 67 bombers cancel their mission because of the bad weather, while the others try somehow to accomplish their mission.

The coast between Ouistreham in the east and Asnelles-sur-Mer in the west, all the beaches planned for the landing of Anglo-Canadian troops ( Sword Beach in the east, Juno Beach in the center and Gold Beach to the west), is bombed by Allied aircraft, and many targets are destroyed or damaged. Utah's US beach area is also heavily bombed, including Cotentin coastal artillery batteries in Azeville and Crisbecq.

But between Longues-sur-Mer in the east, and Grandcamp-Maisy in the west, the targets have not been reached, or very little, by the bombings. A beach of landing is located in this sector, it is about Omaha Beach, which must land at dawn the elements of the 1st and 29th American infantry divisions. According to the reports of the different air groups deployed to bomb this area, the presence of clouds complicated the task they were given, and it took only one or two seconds for the bombs to be dropped several kilometers away. their goals. Thus, coastal artillery batteries located near the localities of Longues-sur-Mer and Maisy are practically intact despite the bombing, as well as the 8 fortified points of the beach of Omaha Beach. The Allies do not know it yet,

Review of the bombings
Since May 1944, shelling on the northwestern quarter has increased, mainly targeting road and rail targets.

With the help of the destruction carried out by the French resistance, the Allies launched numerous raids over Normandy, which resulted in relatively small destruction for the resources committed. Some sites were crushed under the bombs, others did not have the slightest scratch. These disparities were felt in the hours following the bombardments, when the Allied troops landed in front of the Atlantic Wall, supposed to have been largely destroyed, but which in some places was still in perfect condition.

Aerial bombing in Normandy

It's easy to point fingers, but actual execution wasn't all that easy. It has been said that the US Navy wanted the Army Air Corps to wait until the bombers had reached the beaches before dropping any ordnance, for fear of bombing our own ships. Which meant a lot of bombs were dropped too far in-land and di no damage to the German artillery positions.

 

[SmokeALib]

Back then, we had a nation of patriots. Everybody rallied after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Politicians, corporations, even housewives got behind the war effort. We were producing weapons, transport, and ammo faster than we could ship it to Europe.
Would never happen today. Too many wimped out libstained leftist traitor democrats.

 

[Frannie]

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

You can not back up any of the misinformation and nonsense you are posting. You have no clue what a heavy machine gun is. An MG-42 and MG-34 were crew operated machineguns and carried by platoon-sized units.

I believe that the German heavy guns were set into concrete bunker emplacements. The Germans expected the attack remember

You are wrong and have no clue about what you are talking about. A crew operated heavy machinegun is transported by a crew of soldiers. Hence, mobile by design and operated by small squads numbering usually a handful of soldiers. Germans had thousands of them, not a dozen.

Duh grow up first kid

 

[Frannie]

Back then, we had a nation of patriots. Everybody rallied after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Politicians, corporations, even housewives got behind the war effort. We were producing weapons, transport, and ammo faster than we could ship it to Europe.
Would never happen today. Too many wimped out libstained leftist traitor democrats.

The only reason for that effort was that no one had a real job before the war

 

[Flash]

[Q


Then we put up medium tanks (M4's) designed for troop support against far superior armor so they could get slaughtered after the beach was secured. The only thing that eventually saved us was air supremacy as the Luftwaffe was gone. Little fuel, very few qualified pilots.

The US decided not to field a heavy tank in WWII. Instead they decided to combat enemy armor with artillery and air power and that proved successful. We inflicted heavy losses on German armor.

Our tanks were never designed to go tow to toe with German heavy tanks. Our tanks were designed to support infantry and they did a good job at that.

It takes a lot of logistics to keep a heavy tank operational. We chose not to go that route. The Germans never had more than 50% of their heavy tanks operational at one time. Sometimes it was as low as 20%.

We knew that we would have air superiority in the European campaign and knew that air power was going to be more effective than tank battles.

Good strategic decision.

Sounds good on paper, so why did we incur the heavy losses? Also, sometimes planes couldn't fly due to weather. Think the Bulge.

The bottom line is we could have done BOTH. We had that industrial might to do it. We chose to use men as cannon fodder instead. The only reason the allies won is far more men to EXPEND, and for more equipment to EXPEND, and the fuel and logistics to supply both.

Looking back it was a poor decision to sacrifice so many lives unnecessarily. Yes, strategically we eventually won, but at what cost?

The planners in WWII decided it was not cost effective to build a heavy tank in Heartland America and then ship it overseas and keep it running and supply fuel. It takes a lot of fuel and maintenance to keep the tanks running.

Instead they decided to build a medium tank to mostly support infantry and defeat the German heavy armor with artillery and air power. We even had special artillery that was designed as tank killers and it worked. We had airplanes that were equipped for anti tank sorties.

At the end of the war the Germans had very few heavy tanks remaining and we still had thousands of our medium tanks. We won! We made the right choice.

The biggest "tank battle" of the Western front had the counter Panzer attack at Normandy being defeated by American artillery.

The Germans couldn't even keep their heavy tanks running during the Battle of the Bulge. As soon as the weather cleared we kicked the shit out them with air power.

The Russians needed a tank to go toe to toe with the Krauts. We didn't.

There were some significant failures by the Allies in WWII. Market Garden and Hurtzen Forrest being the two biggies. Our anti tank strategy was not one of the failures.

 

[task0778]

I love con-servatives in 2019 who never served explainin' all about warfare in WWII....

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

You can not back up any of the misinformation and nonsense you are posting. You have no clue what a heavy machine gun is. An MG-42 and MG-34 were crew operated machineguns and carried by platoon-sized units.

I believe that the German heavy guns were set into concrete bunker emplacements. The Germans expected the attack remember

The Germans didn't expect the attack to be at Normandy, they thought the Allies would invade further up the coast. And part of the problem was that most the Allied tanks that were supposed to attack the German artillery never made it ashore

 

[Pilot1]

Again we just had more men to sacrifice, and more stuff to throw at them that were EXPENDABLE. That is the only reason we won, plus the Russians did a lot more heavy lifting than we give them credit for.

That was the part of the strategy we had the wealth, and manufacturing capability to AVOID. I guess lives are cheap. Talk to the Americans, British, and Canadians that had to fight using M4's and other crap we threw at the Germans. Yes, the Germans did not have the manufacturing capability to keep up, plus it was getting bombed daily along with their fuel supplies.

We had an unscathed, huge manufacturing complex. We could have provided better tanks to keep more tank crews alive, and more infantry alive. We CHOSE not to do so.

 

[Edgetho]

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

We had 7 (Seven) Battleships, 5 (five) Heavy Cruisers, 17 (Seventeen) Light Cruisers and 139 Destroyers and Destroyer Escorts off shore during that invasion.

They did a little better than the wing-wipers but not a whole, whole lot.

And I've personally been within a mile of an 8 inch shell from a Cruiser hitting. Trust me, you have no idea the power those Navy Guns have. unfuckingbelievable power

A big Battleship can chuck a 2,000 pound shell 20 miles every 9 seconds. Just one.

Another problem was, the Navy and the Army use different maps. The Army uses a 4-digit grid and the Navy uses a five digit grid. I wouldn't mess with trying to call in Navy guns when I was in the field. Army or Aircraft only.

I imagine they've changed it since then.

Just an FYI

 

[Frannie]

You have the answer of course how 7000 planes all missed a dozen heavy machine guns that were known to be there

Where did you get the ridiculous information that Normandy was defended by only a dozen heavy machine guns?

The fact is that the damage done to Allied troops was done by a relatively small number of heavy machine guns that were known to be there and if any of the god damned 7000 planes dropped bombs on that beach there would have been no resistance. They all fucking missed so thousands of boys dies needlessly

You can not back up any of the misinformation and nonsense you are posting. You have no clue what a heavy machine gun is. An MG-42 and MG-34 were crew operated machineguns and carried by platoon-sized units.

I believe that the German heavy guns were set into concrete bunker emplacements. The Germans expected the attack remember

The Germans didn't expect the attack to be at Normandy, they thought the Allies would invade further up the coast. And part of the problem was that most the Allied tanks that were supposed to attack the German artillery never made it ashore

The Germans expected the attack exactly where it was, the other places that were more logical were known to both sides, thus the most logical and best logistical location while better fortified would not actually be the most likely choice. Didn't matter anyway because since the Germans knew this and everywhere was defended