- Jan 3, 2021
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again, you seem not to understand how thick this red line isAnd the entire Baltic Region can't afford Russia to march on Kiev because they know they would be next. If it Russia does invade any further into Ukraine get ready for one hell of a battle with a lot of countries sending in support and troops. Russia needs to weigh the results before they go too crazy.well, you seem not to understand how thick Russian red line in Ukraine is for the USIt might lead to a proxy war but not a direct war. We do need to build up Ukraine militarily. Make them able to run the Russians right out. Russia isn't that motivated for a direct confrontation with Ukraine. They have been doing a proxy war (and cheating at it) much like they did with Korea. And like they tried in Syria. With Russia tied up in Syria and worrying about Turkey, they still can put quite a bulk force on the Ukranian border. But if we heavily arm Ukraine, I don't think Russia has the stones to storm over the borders. And it wouldn't be the US that would directly lend a hand. There are plenty of Balkan Nations that would join in to keep Ukraine from falling. I also think we should do the same for Georgia.I would not be so sure about impossibility of direct encounter.There is still some question how well the improved Detection of the SU-35 fares against the F-35. But I would say that the F-35 should bet a slight nod in BVR. But you are back on the one one one. And that's not how it's going to go down. It will still be determined on who sees who first. And both will be datalinked to other Aircraft. I do see the SU-35 as the most formidable of all the Russian Fighters though. Even the F-22 may have some problems with it. And the most likely missile used by the SU will be the R-77M which is just as good as the Aim120D. If the F-35 screws up and plays the other guys game, the SU-35 shouldn't get the chance to use his R-73M which is short ranged. But it's not going to be a one on one encounter and there is going to be a lot of missiles flying by both sides. Long range tilts to the F-35 and short range goes to the SU-35 but you have to go through long range to get to short range.Duel situation? One F-35A with four AIM-120D vs one Su-35 with four R-37M somewhere over neutral waters, both know where is his enemy? Ok. F-35 has almost no chances - Su-35 has longer and stronger arms.Actually, if you are going against an F-15 with a Mig-35, go for short range and get thePeople don't realize thatIt reminds me of how Russian military say that Su-30 can beat all F-s with one finger except maybe F-22 and F-35, which have certain chances at long distances but will be done in dog fight in minutes...It still has a 70% sortie rate, one of the best in USAF. It's replacement is for the same reason the B-21 is going to replace the B-1; Cost. To be specific, the RandD for the B-1 and the F-35 to "Invent" many systems that cost hundreds of billions by itself. That means the next gen will not have to spend that again.super lame duck
it costs a billion, maintainance costs another billion an hour, it requires a month of maintainance works after an hour of flight..
in a week of war allF-35 will stay on ground
This doesn't take away the capability of the F-35. It still means that if you go against it in combat you are going to die quickly. But the next gen will just do it cheaper and better. In a dogfight (guns only) the F-35A isn't a great threat but when he fires up his BVR the only bird that might defeat it is the F-22. That is the only deficit of the F-35A. It was originally supposed to be able to equal the F-16 in a Dogfight (guns only). And that was (and still is) a tall order. To date, only the Superbug can fly with the F-16 in a gun only fight and hold it's own out of all the production Fighters.
The problem with the F-35 isn't it's sortie generation it's the fact it was short changed to make the F-35B. USAF has it's own needs. And the new Fighter will meet those specific needs.
i. e. until there's no real experience fighting capability is still unclear, but financial figures are already a fact...
1) In fighter combat, dog fighting is strictly a last resort. Every pilot avoids it at all costs.
2) Success in dog fighting actually has little to do with what the aircraft can do but how skilled the pilot is.
Eagle into a gun fight. Same goes for the SU series. The last thing you want to do is play long range missile toss with the F-15. But if you are facing the F-16 or especially the F-18 don't get in a gun fight with them, you'll lose. Outside of something like the A-10 or the SU-25, all the fighters can choose to fight or not to fight.
Our F-15 Pilots used a technique when something got too close that could out turn and burn them. They time it right and hit the burners and went straight up. There isn't a missile that can follow that flight path. All the bogey knows is, the F-15 is 10 miles away and locking him up with his long ranged weapons using BVR. Of course the Baddie will experience sucking dirt fast and doing some fast and hard turning. That is if he's lucky enough to see the F-15 in time.
Light Weight Fighters can turn and burn better than heavy fighters. But the heavy fighter has the advantage in BVR. It really doesn't matter than much what fighter you are using (Gen 4 or 5). NEVER fight the bad guy at his own game. You fight your own fight. And if you can't, do something similar to the F-15 disengaging and do your own version UP!!!!!
One military scenario I saw was 5 against 5. The long range, zero F-35s were lost and 3 SU-35s were lost. Then short range, 2 F-35s were lost while the remaining SU-35s were lost. In reality, the 2 remaining SU-35s would have disengaged. Since then, information on the SU-35 has come out saying it would do a bit better. But I don't see the US and the Russian versions ever seeing combat against each other and you can't really consider less capable exports of both. BTW, Guns were never even considered. The F-35 would disengage long before it became a gun fight.
Ukraine seems to be going to start advance against republics of Donetsk and Lugansk in Eastern Ukraine, having been inspired by Armenia-Azerbaijan war. Of course, with full US approval and encouragement.
So, never say never, this ear msy lead to direct US-Russia war, I hope it will be wuthout use of nukes.
there are 400 000 Russian citizens in these 2 republics and Ukraine is moving troops and heavy arms to the border right in this very moment, i. e. in coming weeks or even days Ukraine may start an offensive, which Russia cannot but stop whatever it takes.
And after Russian troops take Kiev - then we may return to this conversation, if direct war between USA and Russia is impossible
A lot of this will determine how well trained the Russian regular soldier is. He's not trained well at all. His Air Power is but much of his ground power is nearing shambles. Everyone thinks that every Russian Soldier is equiv to a Spitnaz. When in reality, the real low ranks are mistreated by the NCO ranks who are underpaid and require "Tribute" from the lower ranks. The Ukrainians are motivated, the Russians are less than motivated. I'll bet on the motivated troop every time.
and US masters which give orders to Ukraine seem not to understand it too, otherwise they would not be provoking war there now.