F**ked Around and found out....Sucker Punch Gone Sideways

[Persuader]

He leaves and comes back with intent to kill first degree murder.

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072000050K9-1

That is up to a jury to decide....and you say 'without legal justification'.....I prefer just..... 'justification'....the guy who sneaked up behind the victim and tried to kill him with a lethal blow if he had lived would be guilty of attempted murder.

Thus I conclude anyone who attempts to murder me deserves to get shot to death.

 

[Batcat]

First of all the concept of self-defense----is under attack like never before in America....it seems lke what the state is doing or is trying to do is to convince people they should never under any circumstances use a gun....not even to defend your life.

The sad truth is that even if you adhere to all that the law says regarding self defense....some jury may still convict you.
That is why I gave up 'carrying' aka carrying as in carrying a gun.....I do carry a knife. If you must kill someone....a jury will be much more sympathetic if you do not use a gun.

At close range where most of these conflicts occur....a knife is very effective....especially if you know how to use one...some will say even more effective.

To all those who 'carry' and here in Florida that is a lot of people.....I say you should be very careful who you shoot....you should only shoot someone if you feel it is absolutely required.

If there is anyway possible for you to get out of the situation other than to shoot....that is what you should do.

Having to go before a jury is a gamble.....a big gamble these days.....most especially if you are white.

The gun phobia whipped up by the feds, the media and misguided whites is just so pervasive that if you have to go before a jury....it is a crap shoot irregardless of how justified you may have been.

I agree with your statement that “you should only shoot someone if you feel it is absolutely required.“

Not only are there often legal consequences that can bankrupt you but often there are psychological damages that can make your life miserable. Of course you could also spend time behind bars.

At close range I would fear a man proficient with a knife more than one with a firearm. If some fool gets within arms reach there is a fair chance I can take his gun away but an experienced knife fighter is more difficult to disarm.

I always have a knife with me usually a neck knife carried cross draw under my shirt and under my left arm. In Florida that is considered a concealed weapon but I have a Florida Concealed Weapons Permit that covers more than just guns (in Florida only). I carry a knife mainly as a tool and use it multiple times everyday.