explosion at Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, UK

[Tilly]

He's is not to waste his time with bigots. I don't blame him

One talks about Taqqiyah, the other keeps calling me a bigot and he is the bigot. You guys are sick minded.
Muslims in the west are doctors, engineers, nurses, policemen, FBI agents, chefs, basketball players, singers, baseball players, politicians, congressmen.....you name it. Couple of nutjobs do a hate crime and you talking about eradicating everyone. Why we don't say the same about whites committing all the mass shootings? Why don't we label all catholics as rapists? Why don't we label all evangelicals as uneducated and racists?
Simply because idiots adhere to every group, and we shouldn't put all in the same basket.

Just because a Muslim's a doctor, it doesn't mean he won't try to cut his daughter's head off with a sword if she wants to marry a non-Muslim.

Exactly, and we've had Muslim doctor terrorists in the UK. And, in contrast to to the spin that Islamic terrorists are mostly poor and uneducated, well that hasn't been the case either.

 

[Pogo]

"It means doing/saying the right thing even when it might not be popular."

What is the right thing? Is it deflecting away from the innocent children and teenagers who have been blown to pieces and the multitude of children and teenagers who have life threatening injuries?

Is that the right thing to do? Deflect.

The right thing to do, here, is honest argument. I'm seeing a whole lot of dishonest, including yours, and that's entirely what I've been posting about.

And yet you seem to be obsessed with trying to force me to post about details of the news story instead. Why is that?

I ain't the ******* BBC and I'm not in Manchester. I don't know any more about those details than those who actually are there do, so it would be pretentious to just make stuff up, although it certainly hasn't stopped armchair wags here, but again --- that's dishonest.

But talking of "deflection" --- why are you so bent on getting me to address something else? Is my exposure of dishonest argument here inconvenient?

And why would that be? Hm?

Get this through your kopf -- *YOU* do not dictate what *I* post about. Got that? YOU YOURSELF already noted I have not been posting about the incident's details. Not three hours before this post. So I couldn't have "omitted" something I never ventured into in the first place.

To be in complete denial that any of this has no connection to a specific religion Islam, when it's being committed in the name of Islam

"It means having the guts to stand up and say 'this is wrong' even if you're the only voice saying so.

Do you have those guts? You used to."

I still have the guts ogo and it is wrong to strap a suicide vest on and walk into a music venue or a theatre and blow up innocent people, it's also wrong to get in a vehicle and mow down innocent people.

Nobody anywhere disagrees with that Oosie. We're all on the same page there.
But it's glaringly apparent where you stopped short and ran out the door.

--- which means the answer must be "no, you don't".

Pogo you have posted in this thread since the other night, not one of your many posts has mentioned the innocent children and teenagers who were blown to pieces and the huge amount of those who survived but have life threatening injuries and still could die.

True. Many other posts have reported on that, such as Dalia's right above. There's nothing to debate about it. I've been following it on the news. There isn't anything I can add, not being there.

So what I've addressed that DOES need desperately to be addressed, is the mob-mentality hatestorm generated by absurd fallacies. As I've noted to others, everything I've posted here has been about that abject logical failure. That's exactly why the emotional nutballs who try to paint me as "apologist", or "defending a religion" or having "pet constituent", immediately get challenged to prove it, and inevitably fail.

Because it doesn't exist. If it did --- they could quote it.

I don't know why they pull those lies out of their asses --- I would guess they're so enslaved to their own hate that they can't read.

But you've had time to post multiple posts all deflecting away from the Islamist waste of human skin who in the name of his RELIGION Islam assembled and then strapped a suicide vest to himself and walked into a music venue and blew himself up in the name of his RELIGION Islam and committed this grotesque atrocity on these innocent children and teenagers.

I don't know that that's true, but assuming it is, it doesn't equate to a causation---- see the Klan bombing post above for an example. THAT -- the false causation Composition Fallacy --- is what I've actually been posting about while the emotional basket cases go

Terrible, you have lost your moral compass like all the other Leftist Islamist Apologists.

Not at all. I'm demanding the same trait here that I applauded you for when you got here --- honesty. It's about 90 percent of what I do on this site. "Nuke Mecca" is not honest. Neither is "you're an apologist with pet ******* constituents". That's naught more than the bleating of the butthurt who have been called out for their dishonesty .

So my posts here have nothing to do with "Islam" or "the left" or "terrorists" or their victims. They have entirely to do with USMB posters. The dishonest ones.

"I've been following it on the news. There isn't anything I can add, not being there."

The majority of people are not there, you don't have to be there. So you're saying that unless you're there you cannot condemn the Islamic Terrorist attack that has blown up children and teenagers?

Don't you DARE put words in my mouth. Holy SHIT talk about dishonesty....

 

[Scamp]

He's is not to waste his time with bigots. I don't blame him

One talks about Taqqiyah, the other keeps calling me a bigot and he is the bigot. You guys are sick minded.
Muslims in the west are doctors, engineers, nurses, policemen, FBI agents, chefs, basketball players, singers, baseball players, politicians, congressmen.....you name it. Couple of nutjobs do a hate crime and you talking about eradicating everyone. Why we don't say the same about whites committing all the mass shootings? Why don't we label all catholics as rapists? Why don't we label all evangelicals as uneducated and racists?
Simply because idiots adhere to every group, and we shouldn't put all in the same basket.

Just because a Muslim's a doctor, it doesn't mean he won't try to cut his daughter's head off with a sword if she wants to marry a non-Muslim.

Exactly, and we've had Muslim doctor terrorists in the UK. And, in contrast to to the spin that Islamic terrorists are mostly poor and uneducated, well that hasn't been the case either.

Likewise, we have had a Muslim doctor in the US army shoot up his army base. Fort Hood.

 

[Pogo]

And yet ------ nobody started jumping up and down blaming "Christians", did they.

Why is that?

What year was that again when the 16th Street Baptist Church was bombed?

In case hadn't noticed, it was Democrats who bombed a Christian church and that was over half a century ago.

In case "hadn't noticed" there were no political parties involved in that bombing --- once again it was the Klan.

And the date is irrelevant. The Klan, who never claimed to be Democrats or Republicans or Fascists or anything else political --- in fact went out of their way to avoid such identities --- DID identify themselves as "Christian". And yet nobody heard of the 16th Street bombing and started blaming the religion they claimed to be representing with their terrorism.

And why didn't they do that? Because everybody outside the Klan knew that claim was a bullshit crutch using religion to justify what they did. Because when assessed honestly, that doesn't make the religion responsible.

 

[Pogo]

We don't fear them, we hate because they want to slaughter our peoples, what are we supposed to do tell them we love them?

Hate leads to more hate. Hate can be driven by fear. And when you repay hate with hate, usually that hate comes in the form of violent expression. Reacting out of fear can lead to violence as well. Hence terrorism, hence your calling for Islam to be exterminated from the face of the Earth.

I thought we learned this lesson in the past, via the Nazis, that trying to exterminate an ethnicity or religion is an atrocity, a crime against humanity, not a benefit to anyone. And you think eradicating Islam will be beneficial to us now?

Were the Nazis stopped with love?

Were the Nazis --- whose leader claimed in Mein Kampf to be "finishing the work of the Lord" --- stopped with bullshit association fallacies by nuking the Vatican?

 

[Pogo]

Obama gave Nukes to his butt-buddies in Iran

Link?

I'm no longer surprised considering the source...

You're being obtuse. Dishonest.

Nope. I'm demonstrating that the poster pulled a fake point out of his ass.

But Obama conceded a nuke program to that criminal gang in Iran and you know it.

Just say it. You don't have a link, because you pulled it out of your proctologist's orifice.

 

[Pogo]

Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists, they are getting their philosophy from The Qur'an as preached by Mohammed and as preached in turn his words from the Imans in the Mosques.

Then you are advocating for religious genocide. Genocide is wrong. Period.

Religion is not a race.

Definition of RELIGION

race

Nobody claimed "religion is a race" Quit making shit up.

This is the pitfall of dishonesty --- it starts to seep into everything..

 

[Marion Morrison]

Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists, they are getting their philosophy from The Qur'an as preached by Mohammed and as preached in turn his words from the Imans in the Mosques.

Then you are advocating for religious genocide. Genocide is wrong. Period.

Religion is not a race.

Definition of RELIGION

race

Nobody claimed "religion is a race" Quit making shit up.

This is the pitfall of dishonesty --- it starts to seep into everything..

Thus claims the vertex of dishonesty and spin.

 

[Pogo]

Where I live there were no protest,to join. We are too busy , unlike you sitting on your ass spreading hatred.
It's very simple We Muslims we don't consider terrorists Muslims same goes for Christian extremists they don't represent christians.

Because we Muslims we don't consider terrorist's Muslims, they don't represent us....why we have to be singled out. We don't see you marching when white supremacists commit hate crimes or mass shootings.

There are 200 million Muslims in the world, why don't we ever see mega marches in all Western capital cities of say 150,000 Muslims marching in every city with banners stating "NOT IN OUR NAME" whenever their fellow Muslims blow people up and/or mow people down with vehicles?

Why don't we ever see any mega marches across the world of hundreds of thousands of Muslims after every atrocity? And DON'T bring Christians or ANY other religion into this, the question is Muslims and Islam.

Could it be because perhaps the majority of Muslims while not wanting to actually be a suicide attacker are though sympathetic to the cause of the suicide attackers who are killing OUR peoples?

Hey idiot I said NOT to bring OTHER situations into this, it's about Muslims and Islam.

Idiots like you might get away with pulling your deflection crap on others, but you don't get away with it with me.

Either answer the ******* question, and no the response you gave is pure bullshit like all your other comments in this thread, so either get on the steets with your Muslims friends after after Muslim atrocity on OUR peoples and march and hold banners saying "NOT IN OUR NAME" or just STFU and get called a terrorist sympathiser.

Our most recent scumbag pos Muslim terrorist child murderer was raised a muslim and was indeed a devout Muslim. Stamping your little trotters and denying that won't change a thing. But it does show you are yet another example of a Muslim who will say whatever it takes to spin for your 'religion' of hatred.

People who blow themselves up to kill others obviously are doing so because of their religion. They feel superior to those they seek to kill, and they feel their actions will place them in a special place with their god that is reserved only for the holiest of warriors.
Stupid dumbfucks like Pogo and his apologist brethren continue to be what the Islamists would call a "useful stooge".

I gave you TWO DAYS to come up with any evidence at all of my "apologism" or even posting about "Islam".

You came up with absolutely nothing.
Zero.
Nada.
Bupkis.
Sweet Fanny Adams.
Nothing. Blank............ empty ......... space. The void.

That makes you a lying dishonest HACK and summarily dismissed. There's no honest argument with dishonest hacks who just pull it out of their ass.

 

[Ame®icano]

I've heard those fatuous arguments. More chance of being hit by a car than blown up by a terrorist.

Yeah, it's all about chances.

I would like to hear would our leftists friends rather be hit by the car or blown by a terrorist.

 

[Pogo]

Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists, they are getting their philosophy from The Qur'an as preached by Mohammed and as preached in turn his words from the Imans in the Mosques.

Then you are advocating for religious genocide. Genocide is wrong. Period.

Actually no. Islam is a (fake) religion, an ideology. You can't genocide ideas. You seem to be putting words in Lucy's mouth here.

No, I'm not.

Lucy's words, not mine, and I quote:

"Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists"

Yes ISLAM (ideas) Muslims (people). See the difference?

No. When you want to exterminate the people who hold those so called "ideas" that is what I define as genocide. When you kill all of them, the idea dies with them.

That is what I base my reasoning off of. For an idea to exist it must be formed in the mind of an individual.

Even if Islam were an "idea" it would still be wrong to exterminate each and every last one of them who holds it. To kill the idea you have to kill the people who support it. And you have to do a thorough job, or the idea will persist.

In this case you would need to systematically wipe out nearly 1.3 billion Muslims.

This is not something I will stand for. Not now, not ever. So, for this topic, we will have to agree to disagree.

This is one of the few liberal positions I have, and if that upsets people, so be it. I practice free thought for a reason.

Basically they want to wipe out a billion-plus people, who have no connection whatsoever with this or any other terrorist act, solely on the basis of their own intellectual sloth that's too god damned lazy to bother with contexts and causations. They're the Blanket-Statements-R-Us knuckledraggers determined to avoid thought at any cost. Even the cost of a billion lives.

Basically they're saying "I can't be bothered to comprehend this, therefore you billion people have to die, because my thinking about it is just too much work".

 

[Pogo]

No, I'm not.

Lucy's words, not mine, and I quote:

"Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists"

Yes ISLAM (ideas) Muslims (people). See the difference?

No. When you want to exterminate the people who hold those so called "ideas" that is what I define as genocide. When you kill all of them, the idea dies with them.

That is what I base my reasoning off of. For an idea to exist it must be formed in the mind of an individual.

Even if Islam were an "idea" it would still be wrong to exterminate each and every last one of them who holds it. To kill the idea you have to kill the people who support it. And you have to do a thorough job, or the idea will persist.

In this case you would need to systematically wipe out nearly 1.3 billion Muslims.

This is not something I will stand for.

Then Where in that post did Lucy say genocide Muslims?

Surely you aren't serious:

"Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists, they are getting their philosophy from The Qur'an as preached by Mohammed and as preached in turn his words from the Imans in the Mosques."

And by what method would one go about exterminating Islam? Oppression? Genocide? What would be the most effective method?

Those are questions you should be asking of the person who wrote them.
However, Lucy STILL DID NOT SAY GENOCIDE MUSLIMS, did she now?

She couldn't say that --- "Genocide" is not a verb.

But she did advocate killing them all.

 

[Pogo]

A Muslim extremist kills someone - he's representative of all Muslims.
Christian extremist kills someone - he's a nutter and not representative.

Try to get this passed your bigotry. Moslems committing acts of terrorism, represent the Islamic doctrine - the teachings of Muhammad. Christians killing people don't represent the Christian doctrine nor the teachings of Jesus.

You just reiterated what Coyote said.

You're oblivious to your own fallacy at the same time you're presenting it.

That's pretty fucked up.

 

[Pogo]

No. When you want to exterminate the people who hold those so called "ideas" that is what I define as genocide. When you kill all of them, the idea dies with them.

That is what I base my reasoning off of. For an idea to exist it must be formed in the mind of an individual.

Even if Islam were an "idea" it would still be wrong to exterminate each and every last one of them who holds it. To kill the idea you have to kill the people who support it. And you have to do a thorough job, or the idea will persist.

In this case you would need to systematically wipe out nearly 1.3 billion Muslims.

This is not something I will stand for.

Then Where in that post did Lucy say genocide Muslims?

I never did.

No, you didn't. But how can you exterminate a religion without exterminating it's followers? What has happened throughout history to those persecuted for their faith? Catholicism and Protestantism? And all the bloody wars? They banned priests and the trappings of faith and still the people worshipped in secret.

"But how can you exterminate a religion without exterminating it's followers?"

This is a complex issue with many facets for which at this moment I have no conclusion.

Not complex at all. Look at all the religions of history that died out. The Greeks, Romans, Egyptians... their religions died out when their followers died or were converted to another faith like Christianity, or the host civilization completely collapsed or was conquered.

Simply put, you would have to kill every last believer of Islam to exterminate Islam itself.

Zackly. As the Christian Church did with the Templars. Burned 'em at the stake (while alive).

Short of that you have something along the lines of the Alhambra Decree that drove Jews out of Iberia when Ferdinand and Isabella decided their forced conversion to Christianism wasn't enough. So they expelled them but they certainly didn't wipe out Judaism.

Interestingly those Jews had been attracted there and thrived by the prior Muslim rulers who saw them as kindred "People of the Book".

 

[Mac1958]

Here's a nice little collection, from the first few pages of this thread alone, of how the Regressive Left will always spin, deflect and attack after a jihadist atrocity. One thread out so many, and so many examples.

And remember, these comments were made before the bodies of the innocent, slaughtered children were even cold:

Whelp -- you had it right the first time. Ain't no religion with blowing shit up as a sacrament. Unless of course you can show us the same video of "aaaaand it's Christians" when Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kazinsky or the IRA did their thing. Yeah, didn't think so.

What's the IRA up to these days?

it's such a shame Trump cancelled Obama's planned op to invade ISIS HQ, Raqqa
oh well, there goes another 'promise'........uuuge surprise!

It wasn't personal when the US managed to royally **** up Iraq getting potentially 1 million people killed?

No, I have an opinion, instead of someone like you who tries to shut people down with idiotic attacks. You don't have to like what I say, but you aren't going to get away with nonsense like that.
The US went to Iraq and caused chaos, they made a political vacuum that got potentially 1 million people killed. Perhaps 20-30 people get killed in Manchester and someone this is much worse than the US going and getting 1 million people killed. Sorry, my math isn't so good, but I'm thinking 1 million is much higher than 30.
Yes, 30 is a tragedy, but had Bush no invaded Iraq, then 1 million people in Iraq and 30 people in Manchester, and people in Brussels, Paris, Boston, San Bernadino etc etc would NOT BE DEAD.

Pop quiz: Name the religions of Bobby Joe Rogers, Ted Kaczynsky and Eric Rudolph.

Spoiler: Check answer here

Irrelevant

Dafuk does "Mecca" have to do with this? Nobody can answer that. Was anyone calling for "nuke the Vatican" after the Atlanta Olympics bombing? help ---- same thing.

Yuh huh. Member how Christianism was a world-domination plan masquerading as a religion" because Eric Rudolph was Catholic? Nor do I. Having it both ways --- priceless. Ignorant hacks.

Was England on trumps ban list ?

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm just glad I don't live among bigots like you. Life is good.

Delusional much? Justifying the killing of girls? Are you stable or you like to lie and believe yourself?

I do condemn all killings, I'm against all atrocities commuted by individuals, groups or states.
Is my English clear so far?
But we also need to recognize that Isis, AL qaeda flourished due to the chaos created in the Arab world by the west intervention.
Got it, or I can explain it in another language or manner?

Muslims don't owe me a thing but this guy claims he is peaceful then justifies the killing of 22 innocent kids, I am challenging his BS, I also will continue to call his BS.

There you go again justifying. Man, you are predictable you so called man of "peace". Lol!

I don't justify killing people. Like I said not one post did you flat out condemn the killings without adding a but. Not one and you have the nerve to call someone else a bigot? Give me a break, you have no credibility. I will flat out condemn any pretend Christian that kills an abortionist. I will flat out condemn anyone pretend Christian that causes the death of another living human. You add a but, see the difference?

His "but" does not refer to religion. It refers to "ISIS" (I call them DAESH), which is a radial political movement. He's making the distinction that you're refusing to make, because you're dishonest enough to traffic in Association Fallacies. As exemplified in your own example above ---

"I will flat out condemn any pretend Christian that kills an abortionist. I will flat out condemn anyone pretend Christian that causes the death of another living human."​

Sure, but you don't then try to plunk the blame on Christianity FOR those radicals. When it's your own backyard they become "pretend Christians". When "we" do it they're "outliers" -- when "they" do it they're faithfully executing the tenets of their religon.

That's having it both ways, and that's a Double Standard, and that's dishonest.

Issa's making the same distinction I've been making throughout this thread -- that Double Standard. Said this many times before, saying it again --- if you want to base your arguments on Association Fallacies then at least be consistent with it.

You honestly think that those terrorists are Muslims? Seriously? They aren't Muslims, Muslims are peaceable, the terrorists are not! They call themselves Muslim but they aren't.

Hell, I could wire my house and put in a new electrical outlet, that doesn't make me an electrician.

You can call yourself smart but it doesn't change the fact you aren't.

You are a strange duck.

 

[Pogo]

Then Where in that post did Lucy say genocide Muslims?

Surely you aren't serious:

"Islam itself needs exterminating, if you don't take Islam down then it'll keep breeding new generations of Islamist Terrorists, they are getting their philosophy from The Qur'an as preached by Mohammed and as preached in turn his words from the Imans in the Mosques."

And by what method would one go about exterminating Islam? Oppression? Genocide? What would be the most effective method?

Those are questions you should be asking of the person who wrote them.
However, Lucy STILL DID NOT SAY GENOCIDE MUSLIMS, did she now?

How do you exterminate a religion without exterminating its followers? Can you answer me that? You seem to think this is so cut and dry. It's not, really.

Like I said, you need to ask the person who said that. I'm simply asking you to stop insisting someone suggested committing a genocide against Muslims BECAUSE THEY DID NOT.

Then what does the word "exterminate" mean then? What suggestion does that infer? How do you exterminate a religion?

You appear to be acting as Lucy's advocate here, so you seem to be as suitable to answer the questions as she is.

Oh you know ---- if your house is infested with termites and you call the exterminator, they send over a philosopher who sits down with the insects and convinces them to give up termiting and go become butterflies instead. But they would never actually KILL the termites, oh no.

Ah, the smell of self-delusion in the morning....

 

[Pogo]

Here's a nice little collection, from the first few pages of this thread alone, of how the Regressive Left will always spin, deflect and attack after a jihadist atrocity. One thread out so many, and so many examples.

And remember, these comments were made before the bodies of the innocent, slaughtered children were even cold:

Whelp -- you had it right the first time. Ain't no religion with blowing shit up as a sacrament. Unless of course you can show us the same video of "aaaaand it's Christians" when Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kazinsky or the IRA did their thing. Yeah, didn't think so.

What's the IRA up to these days?

it's such a shame Trump cancelled Obama's planned op to invade ISIS HQ, Raqqa
oh well, there goes another 'promise'........uuuge surprise!

It wasn't personal when the US managed to royally **** up Iraq getting potentially 1 million people killed?

No, I have an opinion, instead of someone like you who tries to shut people down with idiotic attacks. You don't have to like what I say, but you aren't going to get away with nonsense like that.
The US went to Iraq and caused chaos, they made a political vacuum that got potentially 1 million people killed. Perhaps 20-30 people get killed in Manchester and someone this is much worse than the US going and getting 1 million people killed. Sorry, my math isn't so good, but I'm thinking 1 million is much higher than 30.
Yes, 30 is a tragedy, but had Bush no invaded Iraq, then 1 million people in Iraq and 30 people in Manchester, and people in Brussels, Paris, Boston, San Bernadino etc etc would NOT BE DEAD.

Pop quiz: Name the religions of Bobby Joe Rogers, Ted Kaczynsky and Eric Rudolph.

Spoiler: Check answer here

Irrelevant

Dafuk does "Mecca" have to do with this? Nobody can answer that. Was anyone calling for "nuke the Vatican" after the Atlanta Olympics bombing? help ---- same thing.

Yuh huh. Member how Christianism was a world-domination plan masquerading as a religion" because Eric Rudolph was Catholic? Nor do I. Having it both ways --- priceless. Ignorant hacks.

Was England on trumps ban list ?

Can't speak for others but the quotes from me are, as I've already noted, entirely about logic. Specifically, calling out the fallacies rampant in this thread, which started not only before the proverbial bodies were cold but right there in the beginning.

To wit:

Can it be the religion of piss saying hello again?

To wit:

To wit:

Another love-letter from the Religion of Peace ( PeanutButterAndJelly Be Upon Him )...???

To wit:

Now now. We are talking about an Arianna I Hate America concert. Muslims would never bomb that donut licking american hating cvnt.

To wit:

Liberals will defend Islam till the death! Literally!

To wit:

Hospitals are reporting that the people's wounds are consistent with nail bomb attack.

Common Islamo tactic to lace the nails with rat poison should the victim survive the initial blast.

----- ALL of which were posted not only before I got here over a hundred posts in but also posted way before ANY details about the perp, including his name, were known at all.

--- along with several other posts not listed that superficially appeared as satire "it's the Amish"... "it's the Knights Templar" ... "it's the Hare Krishnas"... while simultaneously trying to sell the premise that "it's religion". Which is why I called out the dishonesty.

Member how you tried to twist my posts into --- what was your term --- "pet constituent religion", and then I challenged you to come up with any evidence at all of that, and had nothing, so you did a video dump to try to deflect it and then ran away? I sure do.

 

[Mac1958]

Here's a nice little collection, from the first few pages of this thread alone, of how the Regressive Left will always spin, deflect and attack after a jihadist atrocity. One thread out so many, and so many examples.

And remember, these comments were made before the bodies of the innocent, slaughtered children were even cold:

Whelp -- you had it right the first time. Ain't no religion with blowing shit up as a sacrament. Unless of course you can show us the same video of "aaaaand it's Christians" when Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kazinsky or the IRA did their thing. Yeah, didn't think so.

What's the IRA up to these days?

it's such a shame Trump cancelled Obama's planned op to invade ISIS HQ, Raqqa
oh well, there goes another 'promise'........uuuge surprise!

It wasn't personal when the US managed to royally **** up Iraq getting potentially 1 million people killed?

No, I have an opinion, instead of someone like you who tries to shut people down with idiotic attacks. You don't have to like what I say, but you aren't going to get away with nonsense like that.
The US went to Iraq and caused chaos, they made a political vacuum that got potentially 1 million people killed. Perhaps 20-30 people get killed in Manchester and someone this is much worse than the US going and getting 1 million people killed. Sorry, my math isn't so good, but I'm thinking 1 million is much higher than 30.
Yes, 30 is a tragedy, but had Bush no invaded Iraq, then 1 million people in Iraq and 30 people in Manchester, and people in Brussels, Paris, Boston, San Bernadino etc etc would NOT BE DEAD.

Pop quiz: Name the religions of Bobby Joe Rogers, Ted Kaczynsky and Eric Rudolph.

Spoiler: Check answer here

Irrelevant

Dafuk does "Mecca" have to do with this? Nobody can answer that. Was anyone calling for "nuke the Vatican" after the Atlanta Olympics bombing? help ---- same thing.

Yuh huh. Member how Christianism was a world-domination plan masquerading as a religion" because Eric Rudolph was Catholic? Nor do I. Having it both ways --- priceless. Ignorant hacks.

Was England on trumps ban list ?

Can't speak for others but the quotes from me are, as I've already noted, entirely about logic. Specifically, calling out the fallacies rampant in this thread, which started not only before the proverbial bodies were cold but right there in the beginning.

Member how you tried to twist my posts into --- what was your term --- "pet constituent religion", and then I challenged you to come up with any evidence at all of that, and had nothing, so you did a video dump to try to deflect it and then ran away? I sure do.

The neat thing about the quote function is that I just quote people directly and then point at it.

You people are what you people are. All I have to do is quote you and say, "see?"

I'm on the side of people like the brave & honest liberal below, who spends his days fighting people like the Regressive Left and the jihadists.

You're just another Regressive.
.

 

[Eloy]

And that's exactly why they use the mosques as cover.

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Swiss police raid ‘ISIS-linked’ mosque, arrest imam & alleged radicals

Lawyer Says Ahmad Wais Afzali, Imam Arrested in Terrorism Case, Was Aiding F.B.I.

CNN.com - FBI charges Florida professor with terrorist activities - Feb. 20, 2003






I don't believe there are many repeat incidents in the links.

There a clear-cut pattern there. One of supporting terrorism and flouting lawlessness.

So, we go against the very foundations of our nation and start singling out a faith and their worshipers? Isn't that...dare I say it...what the Nazis did to the Jews?

I'm confused here. Don't conservatives pride themselves on defending the right to free practice of religion?

This is wrong.

You should be confused. We prohibit the practice of religion when that practice is killing little girls thst went to a concert. We don't allow human sacrifice.

Muslims can sit in a basenent and imagine killing people to practice their religion, they just can't actually do it.

That's funny. Most Muslims I knew didn't adhere to such a twisted version of Islam.

Your attitude is stereotypical and emotional. You get angry when someone tries to pin a mass murder on a Christian and therefore all Christians. But oh hey, it's okay for you to blame more than a billion people for the acts of one radical.

I can't begin to tell you how hypocritical that is. Sigh.

Sometimes I can't tell a liberal or conservative apart. Same stereotypical attitudes about different religions. Overly ruled by emotion and hardly grounded in fact.

Hate is fueled by fear and ignorance a lot of the time. Fear of the other. And when most of your knowledge of the other comes from an echo chamber - it's not surprising. Why is anti-semitism so rife in the ME? Social media echo chambers feed it. Why is Islamophobia so rife in this country? Same reason. Eric Rudolph is labeled as representative of "Christian Fundies" and that's sold as truth in the echo chambers. Much easier then trying to unravel what is in reality complex problems with no clear cut villians and individuals using religion as a weapon.

"Hate is fueled by fear and ignorance a lot of the time."

We don't fear them, we hate because they want to slaughter our peoples, what are we supposed to do tell them we love them?

We are not ignorant, we are fully aware of the situation.

The Leftists are the ones who are afraid and also who are ignorant, it partly manifests in the pathological altruism they display.

Only dopes do not fear the threat of terrorism.