explosion at Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, UK

[Lucy Hamilton]

Dan Stubbs how are ya doing since you joined up? Glad to see you still here.

Just killing time to see how long I can hang on.

I've never noticed you before but if Gracie likes you then you must be alright, so you should stay.

I met him in his intro thread, Lucy. Seems like a nice enough guy. Too many noobs bail. Glad he stayed.

I hope he stays.

Dan Stubbs

 

[skye]

Why can't FOX speak English?

It WAS Islamic Terrorism!

 

[Pogo]

Why can't FOX speak English?

It WAS Islamic Terrorism!

Could be that even Fox won't run on speculation before facts are confirmed?

Again -- just a guess. But hey, what a concept.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Dafuck does "strapping on explosives" have to do with religion? Hm?

It has nothing to do with a religion, a cult might be involved however we will find out more later.

It is a religious act based on a twisted view of Islam.

To ignore that is just dumb. Just like the nuts who attack planned parenthood based on their view of how they perceive God's word about life.

ALL RELIGIONS are a poison to the earth imo but Islam is by far the most evil.

It's not a "twisted view" of Islam, it is Islam pure and simple. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were appalled by the Muslim terrorist pirates they had to deal with because they claimed they had a right to raid ships, and that right was given to them by the Quran.

And don't Americans think they have the right to invade any country they like? "Oh, this leader's sitting on top of lots of oil, and he killed a few people, so let's invade and pretend we're the world's police, but over there, that African country has no oil and is massacring its people, **** it, we don't want to get involved, we're not the world's police you know"

Then why haven't we invaded every oil rich nation?

Because some of them do what the US want them to do. Others, like Venezuela, the US has tried to get rid of the leaders through coup d'etats, simply because they know they wouldn't win in the jungle.

There are 12 OPEC countries. (Sorry, there are 13, Gabon came from somewhere and is back in OPEC as of last year)

The US likes its OPEC members to pump out oil.

Number one in oil pumping is Saudi Arabia. Friend of the US (in front of the US's face).

The country that produces the least is Gabon, but then they're a small country with the smallest proven oil reserves (eight times less than the next country).

Anyway, in 1999 Hugo Chavez had a plan, he got OPEC countries leaders together to control oil prices, that's what they do, they're a cartel. The US didn't like this. OPEC coming together means that oil prices rise and the US imports even now at least half of all the oil needed. That means the US suffers.

So a coup d'etat against Chavez so they could get some US friendly leader pumping oil out again. The US spent quite a bit of money getting this going, and it failed.

So what next? Well, Iraq. The initial invasion saw a drop in oil production, but now Iraq is a fully functioning puppet of the US, it's the second largest oil producer in OPEC. It's also the 4th largest in the world.

As you can see Iraq was willing to drop oil prices from around 2001 onwards, meaning the US wanted to change this situation.

Libya also saw a drop from around 2000 in oil production for a short time. The Iraq War changed that.

Iran also dropped oil prices around this time. The US hasn't invaded Iran because the US doesn't think it could win in the manner it would need to, and because Iraq was still a mess at the end of Bush's era, and Obama wasn't going to invade. Sanctions then.

So, four OPEC countries didn't like the US in 2000, one had a Coup d'etat against its leader ultimately fail, one was invaded, one was bombed and the leader deposed and the other has seen hefty sanctions against it.

Hmm....

 

[koshergrl]

 

[Pogo]

I hear they are confirming a suicide bomber

And I wonder who would strap on explosives? Hindu's?

Dafuck does "strapping on explosives" have to do with religion? Hm?

Oh go to hell Pogo, I mean really, please just go away.

Hey it's my gig here --- expose the fallacies. Pose questions that cannot be answered without admitting the poster only got there through fallacy.

Don't like it? Then stop posting ******* fallacies and start posting rational thought.

Tall order.

Oh and by the way ---- Google "Manchester bombing" and notice what comes up big on the sidebar --- a big bombing there in 1996. Responsibility attributed to the Provisional Irish Republican Army.

Member all that buzz demanding to know what religion the IRA followed, and pinning the act on the religion instead of the politics?

Yeah I don't either.

Again --- don't like having your simplistic fallacies exposed? Don't commit them in the first place.

You mean communists? The Official IRA were marxists...

No, I mean whatever their "religion" was.

IRA bombs --- nobody brings up "religion".

An unknown bombs --- "nuke a billion people".

Humans are pretty fucked up, huh?

 

[Pogo]

Why did Ariana Grande lick a doughnut and declare 'I hate America'?

I had previously never even heard of this Ariana Grande person.

Nor had I, and we're both into music even though I'm a thousand years older.

I thought it was a size of coffee at Starbucks.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Islamic scum already celebrating......Europe has submitted scum celebrates.....

Islamic State supporters celebrate Manchester attack online, no official claim

Didn't Americans celebrate the invasion of Iraq, and chaos that ensued?

 

[Markle]

WOW! Is it true that they were not checking people going into the show?!

Not true.

Concert goers interviewed have said they were closely checked prior to entering the venue. One said they had a backpack which they had to open and discard several water bottles and the pack was checked thoroughly.

Quite easily that was the reason the bomber did not make it into the venue itself but detonated the bomb in the ticket area.

 

[Gracie]

To put it bluntly..it is not safe to go to very large gatherings any more. Boston Marathon, concerts, etc. And packing heat does no good if some schmuck detonates himself.

LET THEM IN!! LET THEM IN!

 

[ConservativeAmerica]

Where does the original report of balloons popping rank among the all-time silliest "nothing to see here, folks" Islamic extremism coverups? Could it be #1?

 

[WEATHER53]

To put it bluntly..it is not safe to go to very large gatherings any more. Boston Marathon, concerts, etc. And packing heat does no good if some schmuck detonates himself.

LET THEM IN!! LET THEM IN!

But. But. But. They don't all blow themselves up

 

[theHawk]

Islamic scum already celebrating......Europe has submitted scum celebrates.....

Islamic State supporters celebrate Manchester attack online, no official claim

Didn't Americans celebrate the invasion of Iraq, and chaos that ensued?

No, Americans did not "celebrate" going to war in Iraq.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Why did Ariana Grande lick a doughnut and declare 'I hate America'?

I had previously never even heard of this Ariana Grande person.

I have

And now I totally know she is a freaking moron.

I was meaning to comment earlier but I got distracted with Pogo

I was last in Manchester last year to visit a friend who lives in a place named Didsbury just outside the city centre.

That Manchester Arena in the auto is about ten minutes from a bar we went to on a very, very, very, very long street called Deansgate.

Deansgate - Wikipedia

They don't search people going into bars or theatres or whatever, as in a patting down search, if you have a bag they look in it and thats it. What I mean is many of these suicide bombers have the suicide belt or suicide vest and they're slim and not noticing under peoples clothing, not bulk and so if you don't perform a patting down search you wouldn't know from a group of say 100 people by looking at them which one had the suicide bomb.

So I can see how easy it would be for these POS to just walk into say a bar or a theatre and blow themselves up.

 

[Pogo]

I have the solution:

Nuke Mecca and demolish the dome of the rock.

Dafuk does "Mecca" have to do with this?

Nobody can answer that.
.

I can, it's the birth of Islam.

Uh HUH. Islam was birthed in Manchester, was it?

Again -- I posed the question what religion -- any religion --- has to do with this event.
That question has zero answer.

When you have zero answer --- you don't have the right question. Premise fails.

How did you get Manchester out of Mecca?

Your just trolling on a tread about little girls getting killed and maned, your sick I'm done with you.

Umm... what?

Who the **** are you again?

 

[Pogo]

Again -- I posed the question what religion -- any religion --- has to do with this event.
That question has zero answer.

When you have zero answer --- you don't have the right question. Premise fails.

Okay, Pogo, let's take a look at the available evidence:

1) It was a suicide bombing. They found the remains of the bomb vest and bomber where the explosion occurred.
2) It targeted children, mainly tweens and teen girls. Which consisted a majority of the audience in attendance.
3) It was most likely a response to Trump's speech urging the Islamic faith to drive out the radical element in Saudi Arabia yesterday.

Considering those three things, it smells of radical Islam, seeing as radical Islam treats women as pure garbage, and the the preferred tactics the extremists use is suicide bombing, and Trump himself has made it clear he wishes to eradicate terrorism.

Three plausible points. As is the suggestion that the timing is to coincide with Rump's travels.

But none of those factors points to a religion. Some point to a radical political group that operates in the name of religion, but then so did the aforementioned Eric Rudolph, Bobby Joe Rogers et al --- and nobody called for "nuking the Vatican".

Okay, not a fair comparison --- we actually found out the identities of those Christian perps, whereas in this case we have nothing.

And yet --- on the basis of that nothing --- we've got armchair wags here who would "nuke Mecca" and wipe all mosques off the earth, on the basis of absolutely nothing but their own paranoia.

"I'm paranoid, and therefore you billion people must die".

Now THAT's terrorism. And it's fucked up thinking.

Hilarious how the left always come running in to defend their Islamofascist masters.

Link?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Again -- I posed the question what religion -- any religion --- has to do with this event.
That question has zero answer.

When you have zero answer --- you don't have the right question. Premise fails.

Okay, Pogo, let's take a look at the available evidence:

1) It was a suicide bombing. They found the remains of the bomb vest and bomber where the explosion occurred.
2) It targeted children, mainly tweens and teen girls. Which consisted a majority of the audience in attendance.
3) It was most likely a response to Trump's speech urging the Islamic faith to drive out the radical element in Saudi Arabia yesterday.

Considering those three things, it smells of radical Islam, seeing as radical Islam treats women as pure garbage, and the the preferred tactics the extremists use is suicide bombing, and Trump himself has made it clear he wishes to eradicate terrorism.

Three plausible points. As is the suggestion that the timing is to coincide with Rump's travels.

But none of those factors points to a religion. Some point to a radical political group that operates in the name of religion, but then so did the aforementioned Eric Rudolph, Bobby Joe Rogers et al --- and nobody called for "nuking the Vatican".

Okay, not a fair comparison --- we actually found out the identities of those Christian perps, whereas in this case we have nothing.

And yet --- on the basis of that nothing --- we've got armchair wags here who would "nuke Mecca" and wipe all mosques off the earth, on the basis of absolutely nothing but their own paranoia.

"I'm paranoid, and therefore you billion people must die".

Now THAT's terrorism. And it's fucked up thinking.

Hilarious how the left always come running in to defend their Islamofascist masters.

Link?

You are doing that wrong you're supposed to go:

 

[Pogo]

Again -- I posed the question what religion -- any religion --- has to do with this event.
That question has zero answer.

When you have zero answer --- you don't have the right question. Premise fails.

Okay, Pogo, let's take a look at the available evidence:

1) It was a suicide bombing. They found the remains of the bomb vest and bomber where the explosion occurred.
2) It targeted children, mainly tweens and teen girls. Which consisted a majority of the audience in attendance.
3) It was most likely a response to Trump's speech urging the Islamic faith to drive out the radical element in Saudi Arabia yesterday.

Considering those three things, it smells of radical Islam, seeing as radical Islam treats women as pure garbage, and the the preferred tactics the extremists use is suicide bombing, and Trump himself has made it clear he wishes to eradicate terrorism.

Three plausible points. As is the suggestion that the timing is to coincide with Rump's travels.

But none of those factors points to a religion. Some point to a radical political group that operates in the name of religion, but then so did the aforementioned Eric Rudolph, Bobby Joe Rogers et al --- and nobody called for "nuking the Vatican".

Okay, not a fair comparison --- we actually found out the identities of those Christian perps, whereas in this case we have nothing.

And yet --- on the basis of that nothing --- we've got armchair wags here who would "nuke Mecca" and wipe all mosques off the earth, on the basis of absolutely nothing but their own paranoia.

"I'm paranoid, and therefore you billion people must die".

Now THAT's terrorism. And it's fucked up thinking.

Hilarious how the left always come running in to defend their Islamofascist masters.

Link?

You are doing that wrong you're supposed to go:

Bah, too many keystrokes. I'm only allotted six trillion a day.

 

[Godboy]

It has nothing to do with a religion, a cult might be involved however we will find out more later.

It is a religious act based on a twisted view of Islam.

To ignore that is just dumb. Just like the nuts who attack planned parenthood based on their view of how they perceive God's word about life.

ALL RELIGIONS are a poison to the earth imo but Islam is by far the most evil.

It's not a "twisted view" of Islam, it is Islam pure and simple. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were appalled by the Muslim terrorist pirates they had to deal with because they claimed they had a right to raid ships, and that right was given to them by the Quran.

And don't Americans think they have the right to invade any country they like? "Oh, this leader's sitting on top of lots of oil, and he killed a few people, so let's invade and pretend we're the world's police, but over there, that African country has no oil and is massacring its people, **** it, we don't want to get involved, we're not the world's police you know"

Then why haven't we invaded every oil rich nation?

Because Canada's bigger than us?

Just a guess.

What a terrible guess. Why are you always wrong? Even a broken watch is right twice every day.

 

[theHawk]

It has nothing to do with a religion, a cult might be involved however we will find out more later.

It is a religious act based on a twisted view of Islam.

To ignore that is just dumb. Just like the nuts who attack planned parenthood based on their view of how they perceive God's word about life.

ALL RELIGIONS are a poison to the earth imo but Islam is by far the most evil.

It's not a "twisted view" of Islam, it is Islam pure and simple. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were appalled by the Muslim terrorist pirates they had to deal with because they claimed they had a right to raid ships, and that right was given to them by the Quran.

And don't Americans think they have the right to invade any country they like? "Oh, this leader's sitting on top of lots of oil, and he killed a few people, so let's invade and pretend we're the world's police, but over there, that African country has no oil and is massacring its people, **** it, we don't want to get involved, we're not the world's police you know"

Then why haven't we invaded every oil rich nation?

Because some of them do what the US want them to do. Others, like Venezuela, the US has tried to get rid of the leaders through coup d'etats, simply because they know they wouldn't win in the jungle.

There are 12 OPEC countries. (Sorry, there are 13, Gabon came from somewhere and is back in OPEC as of last year)

The US likes its OPEC members to pump out oil.

Number one in oil pumping is Saudi Arabia. Friend of the US (in front of the US's face).

The country that produces the least is Gabon, but then they're a small country with the smallest proven oil reserves (eight times less than the next country).

Anyway, in 1999 Hugo Chavez had a plan, he got OPEC countries leaders together to control oil prices, that's what they do, they're a cartel. The US didn't like this. OPEC coming together means that oil prices rise and the US imports even now at least half of all the oil needed. That means the US suffers.

So a coup d'etat against Chavez so they could get some US friendly leader pumping oil out again. The US spent quite a bit of money getting this going, and it failed.

So what next? Well, Iraq. The initial invasion saw a drop in oil production, but now Iraq is a fully functioning puppet of the US, it's the second largest oil producer in OPEC. It's also the 4th largest in the world.

As you can see Iraq was willing to drop oil prices from around 2001 onwards, meaning the US wanted to change this situation.

Libya also saw a drop from around 2000 in oil production for a short time. The Iraq War changed that.

Iran also dropped oil prices around this time. The US hasn't invaded Iran because the US doesn't think it could win in the manner it would need to, and because Iraq was still a mess at the end of Bush's era, and Obama wasn't going to invade. Sanctions then.

So, four OPEC countries didn't like the US in 2000, one had a Coup d'etat against its leader ultimately fail, one was invaded, one was bombed and the leader deposed and the other has seen hefty sanctions against it.

Hmm....

So Chavez had a plot to wage economic war against the US, and you're outraged we may have taken a response to that. He was a far left loon that took his Presidency and made it into a dictatorship. And here you are taking his side. You lefties have always been admirers and cheerleaders for socialist and communist dictatorships and leaders: Chavez, Castro, Che Guevara, Mao, and more.