Explaining Socialism to a Republican

[dblack]

I honestly believe the public got what it deserved. I think most of the nightmares inflicted on us by government, is largely because the idiotic public demanded it, and then cried when they get what they demanded.

The majority who supported it got what they deserved. The problem is, the rest of us got what they deserved as well.

 

[bripat9643]

The idea that you can have a fair referee who has a stake in the outcome is beyond ludicrous. That's one of the inherent fallacies of government.

The whole idea of constitutionally limited government is to prevent it from having a stake in the outcome.

Unfortunately it hasn't worked. Presidents have a vested interest in increasing the power of government. Congress has a vested interest in increasing the power of government. The Supreme Court has a vested interest in increasing the power of government.

How does the Constitution prevent government from increasing its own power?

Only by the people's will to hold them to it's stated limits. That's what's been lost.

Such consistency of will power has never been demonstrated, and it never will be. Government can always bribe a sufficient number of the populace to get a majority to approve what it wants. Once seniors get on the dole, they are never going to vote to repeal it.

Furthermore, it seldom even matters what people want. Did the people want Obamacare? All the polls said "no," but we got it anyway because the quislings in the Supreme Court sold us out, despite the clear unconstitutionality of forcing private citizens to purchase a commercial product.

There are so many ways that government can outmaneuver the voters that you just have to laugh at the naiveté of anyone who proposes reforming government by voting for better politicians. When politicians have to choose between doing the right thing and incurring the wrath bureaucrats, government employee unions and the Praetorian media, they are always got to choose the later.

My only quibble is that yeah, the polls said no, but the only poll that counts is at the ballot box. Romney had Romney care, and yet the republicans did in fact vote for the guy.

So both candidates offered gov-care solutions, and both got voted for by the public.

So the fact is, we did want it. And we got it. Yeah, AFTER we voted for a gov-care candidate, THEN we had polls saying we didn't want it.

I honestly believe the public got what it deserved. I think most of the nightmares inflicted on us by government, is largely because the idiotic public demanded it, and then cried when they get what they demanded.

Bullshit. I wasn't given a choice other than Romney to vote for, so that means I voted for Obamacare? A choice between the lesser of two evils is not a choice, and that's the only choice democracy ever gives you. It's a choice between two boot-licking establishment goose-steppers. The parties carefully control who you are allowed to vote for, and both parties are creatures of the Washington establishment. They are both parties of statism and big government.

Don't tell me I voted for this shit sandwich. That's positively insulting. Furthermore, it says voting is even more futile than what I claimed since we're obviously all a bunch of brainwashed drones who vote how the people in control want us to vote.

 

[percysunshine]

Socialism at work in the world today; Venezuela...

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/30/w...as-plunging-oil-prices-hurt-economy.html?_r=0

Socialists love to starve their own people. One assumes it is kind of a hobby for them.

 

[daws101]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I wish I could explain reality to a liberal Dumbocrap. But, that's impossible.

Clearly. Especially when you don't have a grasp of reality yourself.

Ah, but you dishonest and simplistic boob, I do.

The tough part is explaining a moderately difficult construct, like "reality," to self deceiving, delusional, dishonest utter assholes such as you.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

 

[LogikAndReazon]

European socialists are much more, sophisticated, nuanced, and caring.....

Those critical thinkers.....lmfao

 

[Andylusion]

The whole idea of constitutionally limited government is to prevent it from having a stake in the outcome.

Unfortunately it hasn't worked. Presidents have a vested interest in increasing the power of government. Congress has a vested interest in increasing the power of government. The Supreme Court has a vested interest in increasing the power of government.

How does the Constitution prevent government from increasing its own power?

Only by the people's will to hold them to it's stated limits. That's what's been lost.

Such consistency of will power has never been demonstrated, and it never will be. Government can always bribe a sufficient number of the populace to get a majority to approve what it wants. Once seniors get on the dole, they are never going to vote to repeal it.

Furthermore, it seldom even matters what people want. Did the people want Obamacare? All the polls said "no," but we got it anyway because the quislings in the Supreme Court sold us out, despite the clear unconstitutionality of forcing private citizens to purchase a commercial product.

There are so many ways that government can outmaneuver the voters that you just have to laugh at the naiveté of anyone who proposes reforming government by voting for better politicians. When politicians have to choose between doing the right thing and incurring the wrath bureaucrats, government employee unions and the Praetorian media, they are always got to choose the later.

My only quibble is that yeah, the polls said no, but the only poll that counts is at the ballot box. Romney had Romney care, and yet the republicans did in fact vote for the guy.

So both candidates offered gov-care solutions, and both got voted for by the public.

So the fact is, we did want it. And we got it. Yeah, AFTER we voted for a gov-care candidate, THEN we had polls saying we didn't want it.

I honestly believe the public got what it deserved. I think most of the nightmares inflicted on us by government, is largely because the idiotic public demanded it, and then cried when they get what they demanded.

Bullshit. I wasn't given a choice other than Romney to vote for, so that means I voted for Obamacare? A choice between the lesser of two evils is not a choice, and that's the only choice democracy ever gives you. It's a choice between two boot-licking establishment goose-steppers. The parties carefully control who you are allowed to vote for, and both parties are creatures of the Washington establishment. They are both parties of statism and big government.

Don't tell me I voted for this shit sandwich. That's positively insulting. Furthermore, it says voting is even more futile than what I claimed since we're obviously all a bunch of brainwashed drones who vote how the people in control want us to vote.

But you are in effect, limiting yourself.

No one said you had no choice but to vote for Romney. You choose. I didn't vote for Romney. I voted for Goode.

Yes, if you sit there and say "I only have two options", then even if that's not true, it is for you.

It wasn't for me.

It reminds me of Arnold and McClintock in California. Everyone said, over and over, that McClintock was the better candidate, but they voted for Arnold anyway. Why? Because they didn't think McClintock could win?

If you only vote for the candidate you think will win, then honestly, you deserve exactly what you get.

Everyone complains about who is running, but then mindlessly says "Well I have to vote for Romney, because um.... well.... it was the only choice".

Haven't seen an election yet in which there were only two choices. The only think limiting you to two choices, is between your ears.

 

[Andylusion]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

How so?

 

[bripat9643]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

Meaningless babble.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

Meaningless babble.

Yep. It is. dawp1.01 specializes in that kind of worthless drek.

 

[danielpalos]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

 

[danielpalos]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

Yes, it does. And, not Only that, but simply claiming what you do, is an appeal to ignorance without any valid argument in support.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

Yes, it does. And, not Only that, but simply claiming what you do, is an appeal to ignorance without any valid argument in support.

No, it doesn't. And YOUR utterly empty claims are the appeal to ignorance. A specialty of yours. There is not a speck of factual truth or logical validity in your "argument."

Learn to cope with your futility.

 

[danielpalos]

love threads like these....conservatives claim they are for prosperity and peace but when shown how much of the American ideal is socialist, they get all fascist and medieval..

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

Yes, it does. And, not Only that, but simply claiming what you do, is an appeal to ignorance without any valid argument in support.

No, it doesn't. And YOUR utterly empty claims are the appeal to ignorance. A specialty of yours. There is not a speck of factual truth or logical validity in your "argument."

Learn to cope with your futility.

Learn to cope with having no Thing but fallacy for your Cause.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I like threads like this too where we draw out the whack-a-doo assholes like you who make idiotic claims such as an American ideal being "socialism."

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

Yes, it does. And, not Only that, but simply claiming what you do, is an appeal to ignorance without any valid argument in support.

No, it doesn't. And YOUR utterly empty claims are the appeal to ignorance. A specialty of yours. There is not a speck of factual truth or logical validity in your "argument."

Learn to cope with your futility.

Learn to cope with having no Thing but fallacy for your Cause.

A snappy come back. Not.

Face facts.

You are simply one of life's shallow thinking virtually brain dead losers.

You can't think and clearly you don't.

In the meanwhile, you are unable to even comprehend what the term "social contract" actually denotes and connotes. But your ramblings on any topic which include that concept do offer one thing: Unintended jocularity. You are a laughingstock.

Fact.

 

[danielpalos]

Dude, it is the cognitive dissonance of the right who are a bunch of communists and don't know, and even had to practice their communism in Cuba, to prove it.

Some on the left are actively trying to be better poets, and know it.

Socialism starts with a Social Contract like our federal and State Constitutions.

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

Yes, it does. And, not Only that, but simply claiming what you do, is an appeal to ignorance without any valid argument in support.

No, it doesn't. And YOUR utterly empty claims are the appeal to ignorance. A specialty of yours. There is not a speck of factual truth or logical validity in your "argument."

Learn to cope with your futility.

Learn to cope with having no Thing but fallacy for your Cause.

A snappy come back. Not.

Face facts.

You are simply one of life's shallow thinking virtually brain dead losers.

You can't think and clearly you don't.

In the meanwhile, you are unable to even comprehend what the term "social contract" actually denotes and connotes. But your ramblings on any topic which include that concept do offer one thing: Unintended jocularity. You are a laughingstock.

Fact.

Maybe for you, but You Sir, are full of fallacy.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism must start with a social Contract to the extent we are not Angels or Gods.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

I TOLD you you should stay away from the brown acid.

Socialism doesn't involve a social contract, by the way.

Yes, it does. And, not Only that, but simply claiming what you do, is an appeal to ignorance without any valid argument in support.

No, it doesn't. And YOUR utterly empty claims are the appeal to ignorance. A specialty of yours. There is not a speck of factual truth or logical validity in your "argument."

Learn to cope with your futility.

Learn to cope with having no Thing but fallacy for your Cause.

A snappy come back. Not.

Face facts.

You are simply one of life's shallow thinking virtually brain dead losers.

You can't think and clearly you don't.

In the meanwhile, you are unable to even comprehend what the term "social contract" actually denotes and connotes. But your ramblings on any topic which include that concept do offer one thing: Unintended jocularity. You are a laughingstock.

Fact.

Maybe for you, but You Sir, are full of fallacy.

No facts are not specific to individuals. If the sun is shining outside, that's not just for me. If it's cloudy, that's not just for me either.

Your assertions have been false. Probably intentionally so.

Your logic is all but non existent. That you likely cannot help. You aren't very intelligent, after all.

And an idiot such as you accusing anybody else of engaging in fallacy is just plain hilarious.