Explain this to me like I am 5 years old

[M14 Shooter]

Sure but those laws can’t violate the bill of rights. A state legislature can’t pass a law that suspends the 1st amendment any more than they can the 2n.

If a state can suspend or ignore the 2nd Amendment, why can't a state suspend or ignore the 13th, 15th, or 19th Amendments?

 

[Couchpotato]

States must make good laws
If they make bad laws, they must change them

They also have to be Constitutional regardless of your opinion of whether they are "good" or "bad".

 

[Couchpotato]

If a state can suspend or ignore the 2nd Amendment, why can't a state suspend or ignore the 13th, 15th, or 19th Amendments?

That's my point.

 

[rightwinger]

They also have to be Constitutional regardless of your opinion of whether they are "good" or "bad".

Good laws are good
Bad laws are bad

 

[M14 Shooter]

That's my point.

I know. I expanded.
It's the point of the entire topic.

 

[alang1216]

Bearing arms isn't illegal.

The U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) has ruled that legal limits on the Second Amendment are permissible under certain conditions. While the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, the Court has recognized that this right is not unlimited and can be subject to reasonable regulations.

Key Supreme Court Rulings:​

1. District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)
   • Details: This landmark case affirmed an individual's right to possess firearms, particularly in the home for self-defense. However, the Court also stated that the Second Amendment right is not absolute and is subject to certain limitations.
   • Ruling on Limits: The decision explicitly stated that "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
2. McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010)
   • Details: This case extended the ruling in Heller to the states, affirming that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment.
   • Ruling on Limits: Like in Heller, the Court acknowledged that reasonable regulations on gun ownership and use are constitutional.
3. New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen (2022)
   • Details: The Court ruled against New York's strict requirement for obtaining a concealed carry permit, stating that the state's "proper cause" requirement violated the Second Amendment. However, the decision reiterated that certain gun regulations, especially those based on historical precedent, are permissible.
   • Ruling on Limits: The ruling clarified that while the right to carry a firearm for self-defense is protected, states can still impose regulations, particularly those that align with historical traditions of firearm regulation in the U.S.

Summary:​

The Supreme Court has affirmed that while the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms, this right is not without limits. Legal restrictions, such as those concerning who can own firearms, where they can be carried, and how they can be sold, are generally considered constitutional, as long as they are reasonable and align with historical precedents.

 

[alang1216]

We absolutely do get to make that determination.

We? Do you have a Supreme Court justice in your pocket?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) has ruled that legal limits on the Second Amendment are permissible under certain conditions. While the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, the Court has recognized that this right is not unlimited and can be subject to reasonable regulations.

Noting in your ChatGPT post changes the fact you cannot present a sound argument as to how CA NY and HI do not violate the constitution by making it legally impossible to for me to exercise my right carry a gun while in those states.

 

[rightwinger]

Noting in your ChatGPT post changes the fact you cannot present a sound argument as to how CA NY and HI do not violate the constitution by making it legally impossible to for me to exercise my right carry a gun while in those states.

Guns kill people
States make laws to keep bad people from having guns
Families of people killed by guns are sad

 

[alang1216]

Noting in your ChatGPT post changes the fact you cannot present a sound argument as to how CA NY and HI do not violate the constitution by making it legally impossible to for me to exercise my right carry a gun while in those states.

Since you are a higher authority than SCOTUS I can offer no other arguments.

When you say 'carry a gun' what specifically do you mean:

• Take a rifle into the state to legally hunt there?
• Carry a gun in your car while driving through the state?
• Carry a gun concealed on your person while walking in the state?
• Carry a gun displayed openly on your person?
• Carry a gun anywhere in the state, including parks, schools and other gov't facilities, churches, private homes, and businesses

Gun defined as:

• Any weapon that is legal in any state in the country?
• Any weapon that is legal in your home state?
• Any weapon or accessory that is illegal in the state you want to enter?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Since you are a higher authority than SCOTUS I can offer no other arguments.

You can't offer ANY arguments -- thus, your continued avoidance.

 

[rightwinger]

You can't offer ANY arguments -- thus, your continued avoidance.

Guns kill people
Guns are bad

Don’t need any better argument than that

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

We? Do you have a Supreme Court justice in your pocket?

I'm a United States citizen. Of course I have the right to say what is and isn't constitutional.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The U.S. Supreme Court (SCOTUS) has ruled that legal limits on the Second Amendment are permissible under certain conditions. While the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, the Court has recognized that this right is not unlimited and can be subject to reasonable regulations.

Key Supreme Court Rulings:​

1. District of Columbia v. Heller (2008)
   • Details: This landmark case affirmed an individual's right to possess firearms, particularly in the home for self-defense. However, the Court also stated that the Second Amendment right is not absolute and is subject to certain limitations.
   • Ruling on Limits: The decision explicitly stated that "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."
2. McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010)
   • Details: This case extended the ruling in Heller to the states, affirming that the Second Amendment applies to state and local governments through the Fourteenth Amendment.
   • Ruling on Limits: Like in Heller, the Court acknowledged that reasonable regulations on gun ownership and use are constitutional.
3. New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen (2022)
   • Details: The Court ruled against New York's strict requirement for obtaining a concealed carry permit, stating that the state's "proper cause" requirement violated the Second Amendment. However, the decision reiterated that certain gun regulations, especially those based on historical precedent, are permissible.
   • Ruling on Limits: The ruling clarified that while the right to carry a firearm for self-defense is protected, states can still impose regulations, particularly those that align with historical traditions of firearm regulation in the U.S.

Summary:​

The Supreme Court has affirmed that while the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms, this right is not without limits. Legal restrictions, such as those concerning who can own firearms, where they can be carried, and how they can be sold, are generally considered constitutional, as long as they are reasonable and align with historical precedents.

But, the act of bearing arms isn't illegal.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

And can be twisted and perverted by right wing wackos. Just like your bibles.

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The only thing that's been twisted about the 2nd Amendment is the idiotic notion that it exists to regulate the militia.

 

[alang1216]

But, the act of bearing arms isn't illegal.

But it can be, depending the circumstances.

 

[alang1216]

I'm a United States citizen. Of course I have the right to say what is and isn't constitutional.

You can 'say' anything you want with the zero authority you have as a US citizen.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The US has 50 States
States can make rules about guns
Guns kill people
We don’t want bad men to have guns

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Don't want bad people to carry guns? Get the bad people off the street and in jail.

 

[rightwinger]

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Don't want bad people to carry guns? Get the bad people off the street and in jail.

What 5 year old understands what infringed means?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

And any state which makes it legally impossible for someone to exercise their right constitutionally protected to carry a gun infringes on that right, and thus, violates the constitution.
Like...oh... CA NY and HI.