Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Marriage Equality

[JoeB131]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

As opposed to straight marriages, where 50% of them fail?

 

[mdk]

The only people that truly care about this issue are the die-hards and those with an ax grind. Most Americans have moved on, but that won't stop the self-righteous busybodies from whining about it and prognosticating doom.

 

[rightwinger]

Roy Moore knows this battle is lost, so at this point this is more about duping the last of followers to donate money to his foundation.

Creepy Roy is desperate for some relevance

 

[rightwinger]

This is sickening, disgusting and heart breaking ! There is something seriously wrong with people who think that they have the right to control the lives of other people in the name of their distorted and bastardized version of religious liberty.

Did you go full "Drama Queen" just a few years ago when Obama, Hillary, Biden, and the Democrat Party platform agreed with Moore?

I'll bet you didn't.

You can get out from under your bed now. Nobody is going to take your right to be buggered away from you.

The country evolved in its views on same sex marriage. In 2008, most supported some type of legal partnership. 12 years later, an overwhelming majority support gay marriage and it is an accepted part of society.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

This brief has nothing to do with Judge Moore's religious or moral beliefs. It was his LEGAL opinion, based upon what he sees as the intent of the writers of the 14th Amendment.

Bullshit! It was motivated by his bigotry which is rooted in his bizarre religious beliefs

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Did you go full "Drama Queen" just a few years ago when Obama, Hillary, Biden, and the Democrat Party platform agreed with Moore?

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If you think that the folks who wrote and ratified the 14th intended to invent the Institution of Gay Marriage, that's certainly a different opinion than that of Moore.

Of course they were not thinking about gay marriage. No one was at that time. But the 14th is widely views as having extended to bill of rights -as well as due process and equal protection under the law to actions by the states.

Only someone who is constrained by ridged, narrow thought patterns would thing that constitutional rights are restricted to those rights that are specifically enumerated of that can be traced to legislative intent.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

I don't suppose that you have some evidence of that?

 

[rightwinger]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

I don't suppose that you have some evidence of that?

Actually, I think Lesbian marriages would do better than marriages between gay men or heterosexual marriages.

Their main advantage is they don’t have men in the marriage and men have a tendency to prowl

 

[Polishprince]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

I don't suppose that you have some evidence of that?

Actually, I think Lesbian marriages would do better than marriages between gay men or heterosexual marriages.

Their main advantage is they don’t have men in the marriage and men have a tendency to prowl

That's interesting that you don't recognize males and females to be the same and to be equal.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

This is sickening, disgusting and heart breaking ! There is something seriously wrong with people who think that they have the right to control the lives of other people in the name of their distorted and bastardized version of religious liberty.

Same sex marriage has been the law of the land since June of 2015. Five years. Same sex couples have actually been getting married much longer than that in some states. Society has not been undermined and the institution of marriage has not been destroyed. In fact, in my estimation, is stronger when there is inclusion and the base is broadened.

Furthermore, it is not even an issue for the vast majority of Americans. These same sex couple have just become part of the social fabric and are an integral part of the community like everyone else. They work, they pay taxes, they volunteer, the maintain homes and establish families. And now they and their children can enjoy the same legal protections , financial advantages and social status as the rest of us take for granted.

And what will happen if Obergefell is overturned. No doubt some states- and we could pretty much name then- would halt such weddings. But it is unknown if they would, or could void the marriages that have taken place already. Straight people should consider how they would feel if their marriage was somehow annulled for some bogus religious reason- such as not being married in a church. They should think about how their lives would be upended by a cascade of legal and financial issues thrown at them.

It is clear to me that people like Davis and Moore have serious problems and suffer from something bordering on a religious psychosis. They have absolutely no compassion or empathy for the people who would be devastated by this.

I can think of no time in the history of this nation that a right was established and then revoked. It would truly be a dark day in America if such a thing were to happen . My only hope is that John Roberts, a conservative to be sure- but one who is also concerned about his legacy, and that of his court-would not let this happen.

Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Equal Marriage

"The Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing said.

www.newsweek.com

When Obergefell v. Hodges was decided in 2015, Moore ordered Alabama judges to ignore the ruling. Moore was suspended for that action.

Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2015 by the Supreme Court's decision in the Obergefell v. Hodges case in which justices found that the Fourteenth Amendment protects both opposite-sex and same-sex marriage.

"The Foundation has an interest in this case because it believes that religious liberty is the foremost gift of God," the briefing read, "and Kim Davis was deprived of her religious liberty because of this Court's decision in Obergefell."

"In addition, the Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing continued.

In my view, the government has the right, power and authority to define what it will and will not recognize as a "marriage" as it sees fit, at least for the purpose of immigration and naturalization (iaw Article 1, section 8 of the constitution)

Gay marriage is not a big issue for me, beyond that. I think the government has the right and even the responsibility of defining what it will and will not recognize as a marriage.

If you want me to support Gay marriage, polygamy or incestual "marriage?" The onus is on you to convince me for why I should expand the definition of traditional marriage to include them.

I have not desire and feel no obligation to convince you of anything. You do not matter. The fact is that the courts and the vast majority of the American people believe that gays should be allowed to marry.

As far as polygamy and incest go, that is just some Gish Gallop, red herring, slippery slop horseshit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

As far as what the government can and cannot do… the constitution- which you seem to have little understanding of- makes that determination along with the courts. Again you and your inane opinion does not matter

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

I don't suppose that you have some evidence of that?

Actually, I think Lesbian marriages would do better than marriages between gay men or heterosexual marriages.

Their main advantage is they don’t have men in the marriage and men have a tendency to prowl

That's interesting that you don't recognize males and females to be the same and to be equal.

Being the same, and being equal are two different things, son

 

[Chuz Life]

I have not desire and feel no obligation to convince you of anything. You do not matter. The fact is that the courts and the vast majority of the American people believe that gays should be allowed to marry.

Your choice of wording shows that (at least subliminally) you know that the government actually does have the right to define what it will and will not recognize as a marriage.

As far as polygamy and incest go, that is just some Gish Gallop, red herring, slippery slop horseshit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Yeah. Like you really don't agree that the government has the right to draw the line.

I know better.

As far as what the government can and cannot do… the constitution- which you seem to have little understanding of- makes that determination along with the courts. Again you and your inane opinion does not matter

Article 1, section 8.

Did you read it?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

This is sickening, disgusting and heart breaking ! There is something seriously wrong with people who think that they have the right to control the lives of other people in the name of their distorted and bastardized version of religious liberty.

Same sex marriage has been the law of the land since June of 2015. Five years. Same sex couples have actually been getting married much longer than that in some states. Society has not been undermined and the institution of marriage has not been destroyed. In fact, in my estimation, is stronger when there is inclusion and the base is broadened.

Furthermore, it is not even an issue for the vast majority of Americans. These same sex couple have just become part of the social fabric and are an integral part of the community like everyone else. They work, they pay taxes, they volunteer, the maintain homes and establish families. And now they and their children can enjoy the same legal protections , financial advantages and social status as the rest of us take for granted.

And what will happen if Obergefell is overturned. No doubt some states- and we could pretty much name then- would halt such weddings. But it is unknown if they would, or could void the marriages that have taken place already. Straight people should consider how they would feel if their marriage was somehow annulled for some bogus religious reason- such as not being married in a church. They should think about how their lives would be upended by a cascade of legal and financial issues thrown at them.

It is clear to me that people like Davis and Moore have serious problems and suffer from something bordering on a religious psychosis. They have absolutely no compassion or empathy for the people who would be devastated by this.

I can think of no time in the history of this nation that a right was established and then revoked. It would truly be a dark day in America if such a thing were to happen . My only hope is that John Roberts, a conservative to be sure- but one who is also concerned about his legacy, and that of his court-would not let this happen.

Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Equal Marriage

"The Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing said.

www.newsweek.com

When Obergefell v. Hodges was decided in 2015, Moore ordered Alabama judges to ignore the ruling. Moore was suspended for that action.

Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2015 by the Supreme Court's decision in the Obergefell v. Hodges case in which justices found that the Fourteenth Amendment protects both opposite-sex and same-sex marriage.

"The Foundation has an interest in this case because it believes that religious liberty is the foremost gift of God," the briefing read, "and Kim Davis was deprived of her religious liberty because of this Court's decision in Obergefell."

"In addition, the Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing continued.

This brief has nothing to do with Judge Moore's religious or moral beliefs. It was his LEGAL opinion, based upon what he sees as the intent of the writers of the 14th Amendment.

If you think that the folks who wrote and ratified the 14th intended to invent the Institution of Gay Marriage, that's certainly a different opinion than that of Moore.

There is nothing "disgusting" or "sickening" about making legal arguments before the courts.

Agreed.

The OP, TheProgressivePatriot, poisoned the OP with his fucking opinion and all kinds of emotion.

This will play out and Moore will lose because conservatives don't support Moore and he has become a 1 man show.

Does not change the example set here that you can't have a discussion with words like sickening or disgusting being pulled in...especially when it is simply a legal discussion.

Oh really.?? I'm not allowed to have an opinion and to be passionate about a topic? It makes for a meaningful discussion, so I really don't know what your problem is.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This is sickening, disgusting and heart breaking ! There is something seriously wrong with people who think that they have the right to control the lives of other people in the name of their distorted and bastardized version of religious liberty.

Same sex marriage has been the law of the land since June of 2015. Five years. Same sex couples have actually been getting married much longer than that in some states. Society has not been undermined and the institution of marriage has not been destroyed. In fact, in my estimation, is stronger when there is inclusion and the base is broadened.

Furthermore, it is not even an issue for the vast majority of Americans. These same sex couple have just become part of the social fabric and are an integral part of the community like everyone else. They work, they pay taxes, they volunteer, the maintain homes and establish families. And now they and their children can enjoy the same legal protections , financial advantages and social status as the rest of us take for granted.

And what will happen if Obergefell is overturned. No doubt some states- and we could pretty much name then- would halt such weddings. But it is unknown if they would, or could void the marriages that have taken place already. Straight people should consider how they would feel if their marriage was somehow annulled for some bogus religious reason- such as not being married in a church. They should think about how their lives would be upended by a cascade of legal and financial issues thrown at them.

It is clear to me that people like Davis and Moore have serious problems and suffer from something bordering on a religious psychosis. They have absolutely no compassion or empathy for the people who would be devastated by this.

I can think of no time in the history of this nation that a right was established and then revoked. It would truly be a dark day in America if such a thing were to happen . My only hope is that John Roberts, a conservative to be sure- but one who is also concerned about his legacy, and that of his court-would not let this happen.

Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Equal Marriage

"The Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing said.

www.newsweek.com

When Obergefell v. Hodges was decided in 2015, Moore ordered Alabama judges to ignore the ruling. Moore was suspended for that action.

Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2015 by the Supreme Court's decision in the Obergefell v. Hodges case in which justices found that the Fourteenth Amendment protects both opposite-sex and same-sex marriage.

"The Foundation has an interest in this case because it believes that religious liberty is the foremost gift of God," the briefing read, "and Kim Davis was deprived of her religious liberty because of this Court's decision in Obergefell."

"In addition, the Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing continued.

This brief has nothing to do with Judge Moore's religious or moral beliefs. It was his LEGAL opinion, based upon what he sees as the intent of the writers of the 14th Amendment.

If you think that the folks who wrote and ratified the 14th intended to invent the Institution of Gay Marriage, that's certainly a different opinion than that of Moore.

There is nothing "disgusting" or "sickening" about making legal arguments before the courts.

Agreed.

The OP, TheProgressivePatriot, poisoned the OP with his fucking opinion and all kinds of emotion.

This will play out and Moore will lose because conservatives don't support Moore and he has become a 1 man show.

Does not change the example set here that you can't have a discussion with words like sickening or disgusting being pulled in...especially when it is simply a legal discussion.

Oh really.?? I'm not allowed to have an opinion and to be passionate about a topic? It makes for a meaningful discussion, so I really don't know what your problem is.

You poisoned the conversation from the start.

It's what you left wingers do.

Not only is what has happened, not what you described.....it is totally different.

But you are a left winger....you just know.

 

[rightwinger]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

I don't suppose that you have some evidence of that?

Actually, I think Lesbian marriages would do better than marriages between gay men or heterosexual marriages.

Their main advantage is they don’t have men in the marriage and men have a tendency to prowl

That's interesting that you don't recognize males and females to be the same and to be equal.

No, I don’t

I think men tend to be pigs

 

[Polishprince]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

I don't suppose that you have some evidence of that?

Actually, I think Lesbian marriages would do better than marriages between gay men or heterosexual marriages.

Their main advantage is they don’t have men in the marriage and men have a tendency to prowl

That's interesting that you don't recognize males and females to be the same and to be equal.

No, I don’t

I think men tend to be pigs

I think you means "males" , not really "men", here. Your reference was to males,homos, who , by definition, have lost their Manhoods

 

[aaronleland]

Lesbian marriages are surely a disaster, based on the divorce rate.

Yeah, but lesbians are just angry people.

 

[DrLove]

I thought that creepy perv had disappeared ... Hide yer babies!!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

This is sickening, disgusting and heart breaking ! There is something seriously wrong with people who think that they have the right to control the lives of other people in the name of their distorted and bastardized version of religious liberty.

Same sex marriage has been the law of the land since June of 2015. Five years. Same sex couples have actually been getting married much longer than that in some states. Society has not been undermined and the institution of marriage has not been destroyed. In fact, in my estimation, is stronger when there is inclusion and the base is broadened.

Furthermore, it is not even an issue for the vast majority of Americans. These same sex couple have just become part of the social fabric and are an integral part of the community like everyone else. They work, they pay taxes, they volunteer, the maintain homes and establish families. And now they and their children can enjoy the same legal protections , financial advantages and social status as the rest of us take for granted.

And what will happen if Obergefell is overturned. No doubt some states- and we could pretty much name then- would halt such weddings. But it is unknown if they would, or could void the marriages that have taken place already. Straight people should consider how they would feel if their marriage was somehow annulled for some bogus religious reason- such as not being married in a church. They should think about how their lives would be upended by a cascade of legal and financial issues thrown at them.

It is clear to me that people like Davis and Moore have serious problems and suffer from something bordering on a religious psychosis. They have absolutely no compassion or empathy for the people who would be devastated by this.

I can think of no time in the history of this nation that a right was established and then revoked. It would truly be a dark day in America if such a thing were to happen . My only hope is that John Roberts, a conservative to be sure- but one who is also concerned about his legacy, and that of his court-would not let this happen.

Ex-Judge Roy Moore Files Supreme Court Brief to Urge End to Equal Marriage

"The Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing said.

www.newsweek.com

When Obergefell v. Hodges was decided in 2015, Moore ordered Alabama judges to ignore the ruling. Moore was suspended for that action.

Same-sex marriage was legalized in 2015 by the Supreme Court's decision in the Obergefell v. Hodges case in which justices found that the Fourteenth Amendment protects both opposite-sex and same-sex marriage.

"The Foundation has an interest in this case because it believes that religious liberty is the foremost gift of God," the briefing read, "and Kim Davis was deprived of her religious liberty because of this Court's decision in Obergefell."

"In addition, the Foundation believes that the Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment did not intend for it to protect a right to same-sex marriage," the briefing continued.

This brief has nothing to do with Judge Moore's religious or moral beliefs. It was his LEGAL opinion, based upon what he sees as the intent of the writers of the 14th Amendment.

If you think that the folks who wrote and ratified the 14th intended to invent the Institution of Gay Marriage, that's certainly a different opinion than that of Moore.

There is nothing "disgusting" or "sickening" about making legal arguments before the courts.

Agreed.

The OP, TheProgressivePatriot, poisoned the OP with his fucking opinion and all kinds of emotion.

This will play out and Moore will lose because conservatives don't support Moore and he has become a 1 man show.

Does not change the example set here that you can't have a discussion with words like sickening or disgusting being pulled in...especially when it is simply a legal discussion.

Oh really.?? I'm not allowed to have an opinion and to be passionate about a topic? It makes for a meaningful discussion, so I really don't know what your problem is.

You poisoned the conversation from the start.

It's what you left wingers do.

Not only is what has happened, not what you described.....it is totally different.

But you are a left winger....you just know.

You're not making a lick of sense and you have no business telling me that I can't express an opinion and do it with emotion. And what I described was a possible outcome it the ruling is overturned, which I also have the right to do. That is not poisoning the conversation-it is having a conversation-something you seem to be incapable of.