Even U.S. Media now reports that Israel broke truce with attack on Hamas leader.

[Phoenall]

The truce was broken on 3:15 PM by Hamas.

The targeting of the house of Muhammad Al-Deif (Abu Umar) was around 9 PM.

But don't let facts fool you, Palestinian-apologists.

Facts are overrated.

Keep making things up. Hasbara operatives are trained to do just that.

Hasbara operatives. Are you some sort of conspiracy theorist? Stop being so paranoid. The pro Israelis on here simply have more sense, knowledge and wisdom than you haters.

""In the student union of a private university in the Israeli coastal city of Herzliya, a “Hasbara war room” has been set up as a contribution to the military effort. Hasbara literally means “explanation” but has also come to signify propaganda. Up to 400 students sit at banks of computers getting Israel’s message out online. “The goal is to deliver a very clear message to people abroad – Israel has the right to defend itself,” Lidor Bar David told Israeli news website, Ynet.

“Although they haven’t been called up to the army yet, they’ve decided to enlist in a civilian mission that is no less important,” reported Ynet.

The students – speaking in 30 languages – target online forums while aiming to appear as ordinary social media users. They lobby Facebook to take down pages which incite violence against Israel and circulate drawings of Hamas rockets made by traumatised Israeli children living close to Gaza."

Israeli's Hasbara Room, a propaganda machine. : news

I know this is a wonderful form (thank you admin and moderators) but in the great scheme of things those people in the Hasbara room have more important fish to fry that chasing after you etc. We are doing a great job of debunking everything you and your friends on here type. There are other websites where the forums are far more difficult than USMB. Don't flatter yourself that you are so important that Israel needs to waste precious resources on arguing with you, the goldfish, Billo, etc. You and them are not so important as you think.

Nothing I have written has ever been debunked, as I only present facts.

LIAR as you are debunked every time you post when your sources are shown to be from LYING ISLAMONAZIS. Or when you deny the facts and evidence that point to ISLAMONAZI's being the mass murderers. Just take the latest bombshell were a ranking hamas leader has admitted that the 3 Israeli boys were murdered by hamas murdering scum

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,


HAMAS and its terrorist cohorts such as the Al-Qassam Brigades perform intentional acts which attempt to seriously damage the safety and s where committed with the aim of:

• - seriously intimidating a population, or
• - unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• - seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, lawful, economic or social structures of Israel.

The EU leadership does the bidding of the US. Most of people of Europe believe the Israelis are the terrorists. I do not support Israeli terrorism, but suspect you do.

(COMMENT)

Israel doesn't engage in piracy, hijacking, massacres, bombings, and such. There is a huge distinction between State sponsored support of terrorism, alla Gazans, and territorial disputes that can be settled through peaceful means.

Most Respectfully,
R

Piracy & Hijacking - The Gaza Aid Flotilla
Massacres - Continuous massacres of non-Jews since the establishment of the Jewish state.
Bombings - You have to be kidding. They have murdered thousands of non-Jews in Lebanon and Palestine bombing civilian housing.

Wrong if you read International law as it was to prevent gun running a crime

What massacres as the Palestinian has massacred more Palestinians in one month than Israel has managed in 66 years

No they engaged in war brokered by the Palestinians, if you fire at soldiers better armed than you expect to be killed. Engage in war from civilian areas and they become military targets, and it is up to the Palestinians to move them to safety.

 

[Phoenall]

And as anyone with half a brain can see the Israeli response to the rockets comes within 12 hours, then it is days until the next rocket attack. It is as clear as day from your links on the subject that you have heavily reworked to make the details partially match your claims

It's obvious to everyone, you're just a dumbass 15 year old who say's things he can't prove.

Try again as even this partial chart shows that the Palestinians are not responding to Israeli responses to hamas rockets. You don't have a gap of 3 days if it is a response. Try getting your details from a non partisan source as well, and mot an ISLAMONAZI one.


Once again you resort to immature name calling because your arguments are being unravelled faster than you can reply

 

[Phoenall]

Israel..Winning!

Today was a day of much joy, in Israel.

Hamas are pressured, they realized today they are not invincible.

Israel killed the planner of Shalit's kidnapping. The message is clear, no one gets to kidnap an IDF soldier and stay breathing long afterwards.

No one get to dig tunnels and kill our people without us hunting them down.

This is for them, and for 64 blessed angels.

And no one thinks you're a democratic country when you deny people due process of law.

Examples of Israel denying full citizens the due process of law. Don't forget outside of the green line is not Israel so does not come under Israeli legislature

 

[Billo_Really]

Examples of Israel denying full citizens the due process of law. Don't forget outside of the green line is not Israel so does not come under Israeli legislature

You don't pick and choose where and when you respect the law. You don't respect here and not respect it there.

It doesn't matter if its domestic or international, you either respect the law, or you don't!

 

[Phoenall]

Recently, HAMAS Sheikh Saleh Arouri admitted to the kidnapping and murder of three students.

You Made that Part up,

Wrong as it is all over the interweb for all to see, and the source is Turkish

 

[Phoenall]

Examples of Israel denying full citizens the due process of law. Don't forget outside of the green line is not Israel so does not come under Israeli legislature

You don't pick and choose where and when you respect the law. You don't respect here and not respect it there.

It doesn't matter if its domestic or international, you either respect the law, or you don't!

STUPID BOY UK law does not apply outside of the UK, just as US law does not apply outside the USA. So by the same criteria Israeli law does not and can not apply outside of Israel. Once you understand that simple context then you will realise that you are making yourself a laughing stock on here.

Now once again show examples of Israel denying Israeli citizens due process of law as you claimed, or retract and apologise for your RACIST ATTACK

 

[Beelzebub]

Hahaha. You are soo wrong AGAIN there Phoney, its a wonder you don't choke trying to eat breakfast.

US law DOES apply outside the US if the US law says so. As does UK law and any other law that is passed.
They may have issues enforcing it, but that is a separate issue.

When do you hope to graduate high school? Better get to your remedial classes. Now run along boy.

 

[docmauser1]

US law DOES apply outside the US if the US law says so. As does UK law and any other law that is passed.

Excellent! So, stuffing a missile up a hamass is legal!

 

[Beelzebub]

US law DOES apply outside the US if the US law says so. As does UK law and any other law that is passed.

Excellent! So, stuffing a missile up a hamass is legal!

Laws don't make things legal. Everything is first legal, than a law makes it not so.

A US law may not prohibit a thing, but if a local or international law does, then it is illegal.

 

[docmauser1]

US law DOES apply outside the US if the US law says so. As does UK law and any other law that is passed..

Excellent! So, stuffing a missile up a hamass is legal!

Laws don't make things legal. Everything is first legal, than a law makes it not so.

Excellent! Hamass thinks its adventures are legal. But that's not so!

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

No, I'm not kidding.

Piracy & Hijacking - The Gaza Aid Flotilla
Massacres - Continuous massacres of non-Jews since the establishment of the Jewish state.
Bombings - You have to be kidding. They have murdered thousands of non-Jews in Lebanon and Palestine bombing civilian housing.

(OBSERVATIONS)

• Piracy & Hijacking - The Gaza Aid Flotilla

As required, the naval blockade was declared and notified. The Israeli authorities​

issued a “Notice to Mariners” through the appropriate channels, setting out the imposition
of the blockade and the coordinates of the blockaded area. In addition, the notice was
broadcast twice a day on an emergency radio channel for maritime communications.267
There is no contest about this. The Blockade was established legally and is maintained legally.​

• • Although people are entitled to express their political views, the flotilla acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.
  • Israeli Defense Forces personnel faced significant, organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers when they boarded the Mavi Marmara requiring them to use force for their own protection. Three soldiers were captured, mistreated, and placed at risk by those passengers. Several others were wounded.

• Massacres - Continuous massacres of non-Jews since the establishment of the Jewish state.

• • Let's get real. HAMAS may be formally - 25 years old, but it takes it lineage back to Sheikh Izz ad-din al-Qassam and the Palestinian Black Hand some 85 years ago. Even one of the terrorist cohorts is named after him (the al-Qassam Brigade). I just went through 10 screen pages of a database on Palestinian Terrorist activity, believe me when I say I could fill this screen with all kinds of incidents. But that is not the point. The point is, that just within the last few days, the HAMAS Leadership acknowledged the responsibility for the kidnapping and murder of three students.
  • Within the last year, HAMAS released a 19 point paper on policy which summarizes their struggle and political reasoning for their asymmetric conflict. They have condoned attacks on civilians and condoned the use of civilians as a shield to ward-off Israeli retaliation.

• Bombings - You have to be kidding. They have murdered thousands of non-Jews in Lebanon and Palestine bombing civilian housing.
  • In no war, previous to the Israel-Palestinian Conflict, has the practical application of the use of force during belligerent occupation been discussed more. Nor has the fact that a "war" does exist between the people of Gaza and the people of Israel. Nor is it generally discussed the overall threat that HAMAS poses both independently or as a member of the Iranian led "Axis Resistance Bloc" (ARB) (alliance of the Assad Regime, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, plus a few other Sunni Arab world terrorist elements). However the focus is that --- to --- HAMAS Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle. This is a "WAR" concept.
  • 
    
  • If we look at Gaza strictly through the lens of "Occupation," then we see that Israel has an obligation to ‘take all the measures in its power to restore, and ensure, public order and safety. This obligation is also reflected in Article 64 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states: "[t]he Occupying Power may, however, subject the population of the occupied territory to provisions which are essential to enable the Occupying Power to fulfill its obligations . . . to maintain the orderly government of the Territory. If it is a "real occupation" THEN --- Israel must be in a position to
  • carry out governance over the occupied territory. If the Gazan's are claiming that Israel Occupies the Gaza Strip, then it should not be surprised at the appearance of Israeli Forces. If ... on the other hand, HAMAS claims invasion, of territory it properly has control over, THEN, that is an admission that Israel was NOT an Occupation Force to start with.
  • 
    
  • The issue is, are we at "war" or is it a violent and belligerent "occupation?" "Occupation Law" seems to be the standard being generally applied in the armchair theater. But it would seem questionable given the policy of HAMAS and its objectives. The framework governing the use of force in law enforcement differ from the conduct of hostilities in this complex security environment. Having established the factual reality of "violent" occupation and the significant challenges facing security forces, it is to that issue that the analysis must be based. Maintaining ‘law and order’ can involve preventing and responding to crimes, controlling public demonstrations, disarming individuals or groups, and preventing serious crimes in the focus of several Articles in Statute with the International Criminal Court (ICC) (such as genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity). The use of force is normally governed by the principles of necessity (law enforcement type rules) and proportionality (Rules of War), with weapons permitted in self-defense or the defense of others against the imminent threat of death or serious injury; to prevent a particularly serious crime involving grave threat to life; to arrest a person presenting such a danger and resisting their authority; or to prevent escape (law enforcement type rules) --- OR --- on the attack with the expectation to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, and damage to civilian objects, in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated (Rules of War).

One of the basic principles that Khaled Meshal (Hamas' "political" leader) makes clear is that "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle." AGAIN, this is the language of "war" with the "expectation to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, and damage to civilian objects." We call these "consequence." The People of Gaza elected to invoke "Jihad and Armed Struggle" (War) and they "mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle." In such very actions, they have to accept the "consequences" of their mobilization and attacks.

Most Respectfully,
R

Quite a bit of drivel in an unsuccessful attempt to claim that Israel is anything but a terrorist state, using terrorism to try to force non-Jews under their control to submit and accept oppression, occupation and rule by a Jewish minority. Yes, Jews control and rule over more non-Jews than Jews.

Turkey and Bolivia have courageously categorized Israel as a terrorist state, more countries will be doing so as time goes on.

 

[montelatici]

The truce was broken on 3:15 PM by Hamas.

The targeting of the house of Muhammad Al-Deif (Abu Umar) was around 9 PM.

But don't let facts fool you, Palestinian-apologists.

Facts are overrated.

Keep making things up. Hasbara operatives are trained to do just that.

Whats wrong don't you like the truth clouding your fantasy, if hamas fires or allows the firing of rockets then they have broke the truce. But no one is surprised when the evidence shows that hamas repeatedly breaks agreements to suit themselves. After cast lead they even publicly announced that they would break the deal signed when they perceived they were strong enough to take on Israel and beat them.
You ISLAMONAZI FIFTH COLUMNISTS should be aware that your every word is copied by the government and traced back to your computer. Ask your imam about useruk and what happened to him when he posted the wrong thing, I believe he is still in jail for treason.

I see, you believe that posting criticism of Israel is "the wrong thing" and that soon I will be imprisoned for criticizing Israel. Let's see ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST STATE. Will that get the UK authorities' attention?

 

[docmauser1]

I see, you believe that posting criticism of Israel is "the wrong thing" and that soon I will be imprisoned for criticizing Israel. Let's see ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST STATE. Will that get the UK authorities' attention?

Drivel.

 

[Phoenall]

Hahaha. You are soo wrong AGAIN there Phoney, its a wonder you don't choke trying to eat breakfast.

US law DOES apply outside the US if the US law says so. As does UK law and any other law that is passed.
They may have issues enforcing it, but that is a separate issue.

When do you hope to graduate high school? Better get to your remedial classes. Now run along boy.

Then you will be able to show were US or UK law has applied outside of the national boundaries of these nations, a simple one will do like showing were an American civilian who has a permit to carry a gun can carry a gun in the UK. Even simple motoring laws are unenforceable outside of the nation they apply in.

Maybe you should think about taking remedial classes as I am fully conversant with UK law and know that it over rules US law in the UK, IN FACT US LAW DOES NOT APPLY IN THE UK AT ALL

 

[Phoenall]

US law DOES apply outside the US if the US law says so. As does UK law and any other law that is passed.

Excellent! So, stuffing a missile up a hamass is legal!

Laws don't make things legal. Everything is first legal, than a law makes it not so.

A US law may not prohibit a thing, but if a local or international law does, then it is illegal.

Make your mind up either US law applies outside the US borders or it doesn't, you cant have it both ways.

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

No, I'm not kidding.

Piracy & Hijacking - The Gaza Aid Flotilla
Massacres - Continuous massacres of non-Jews since the establishment of the Jewish state.
Bombings - You have to be kidding. They have murdered thousands of non-Jews in Lebanon and Palestine bombing civilian housing.

(OBSERVATIONS)

• Piracy & Hijacking - The Gaza Aid Flotilla

As required, the naval blockade was declared and notified. The Israeli authorities​

issued a “Notice to Mariners” through the appropriate channels, setting out the imposition
of the blockade and the coordinates of the blockaded area. In addition, the notice was
broadcast twice a day on an emergency radio channel for maritime communications.267
There is no contest about this. The Blockade was established legally and is maintained legally.​

• • Although people are entitled to express their political views, the flotilla acted recklessly in attempting to breach the naval blockade.
  • Israeli Defense Forces personnel faced significant, organized and violent resistance from a group of passengers when they boarded the Mavi Marmara requiring them to use force for their own protection. Three soldiers were captured, mistreated, and placed at risk by those passengers. Several others were wounded.

• Massacres - Continuous massacres of non-Jews since the establishment of the Jewish state.

• • Let's get real. HAMAS may be formally - 25 years old, but it takes it lineage back to Sheikh Izz ad-din al-Qassam and the Palestinian Black Hand some 85 years ago. Even one of the terrorist cohorts is named after him (the al-Qassam Brigade). I just went through 10 screen pages of a database on Palestinian Terrorist activity, believe me when I say I could fill this screen with all kinds of incidents. But that is not the point. The point is, that just within the last few days, the HAMAS Leadership acknowledged the responsibility for the kidnapping and murder of three students.
  • Within the last year, HAMAS released a 19 point paper on policy which summarizes their struggle and political reasoning for their asymmetric conflict. They have condoned attacks on civilians and condoned the use of civilians as a shield to ward-off Israeli retaliation.

• Bombings - You have to be kidding. They have murdered thousands of non-Jews in Lebanon and Palestine bombing civilian housing.
  • In no war, previous to the Israel-Palestinian Conflict, has the practical application of the use of force during belligerent occupation been discussed more. Nor has the fact that a "war" does exist between the people of Gaza and the people of Israel. Nor is it generally discussed the overall threat that HAMAS poses both independently or as a member of the Iranian led "Axis Resistance Bloc" (ARB) (alliance of the Assad Regime, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, plus a few other Sunni Arab world terrorist elements). However the focus is that --- to --- HAMAS Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle. This is a "WAR" concept.
  • 
    
  • If we look at Gaza strictly through the lens of "Occupation," then we see that Israel has an obligation to ‘take all the measures in its power to restore, and ensure, public order and safety. This obligation is also reflected in Article 64 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states: "[t]he Occupying Power may, however, subject the population of the occupied territory to provisions which are essential to enable the Occupying Power to fulfill its obligations . . . to maintain the orderly government of the Territory. If it is a "real occupation" THEN --- Israel must be in a position to
  • carry out governance over the occupied territory. If the Gazan's are claiming that Israel Occupies the Gaza Strip, then it should not be surprised at the appearance of Israeli Forces. If ... on the other hand, HAMAS claims invasion, of territory it properly has control over, THEN, that is an admission that Israel was NOT an Occupation Force to start with.
  • 
    
  • The issue is, are we at "war" or is it a violent and belligerent "occupation?" "Occupation Law" seems to be the standard being generally applied in the armchair theater. But it would seem questionable given the policy of HAMAS and its objectives. The framework governing the use of force in law enforcement differ from the conduct of hostilities in this complex security environment. Having established the factual reality of "violent" occupation and the significant challenges facing security forces, it is to that issue that the analysis must be based. Maintaining ‘law and order’ can involve preventing and responding to crimes, controlling public demonstrations, disarming individuals or groups, and preventing serious crimes in the focus of several Articles in Statute with the International Criminal Court (ICC) (such as genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity). The use of force is normally governed by the principles of necessity (law enforcement type rules) and proportionality (Rules of War), with weapons permitted in self-defense or the defense of others against the imminent threat of death or serious injury; to prevent a particularly serious crime involving grave threat to life; to arrest a person presenting such a danger and resisting their authority; or to prevent escape (law enforcement type rules) --- OR --- on the attack with the expectation to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, and damage to civilian objects, in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated (Rules of War).

One of the basic principles that Khaled Meshal (Hamas' "political" leader) makes clear is that "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal [spheres]; with the need to mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle." AGAIN, this is the language of "war" with the "expectation to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, and damage to civilian objects." We call these "consequence." The People of Gaza elected to invoke "Jihad and Armed Struggle" (War) and they "mobilize all the energies of the nation in the battle." In such very actions, they have to accept the "consequences" of their mobilization and attacks.

Most Respectfully,
R

Quite a bit of drivel in an unsuccessful attempt to claim that Israel is anything but a terrorist state, using terrorism to try to force non-Jews under their control to submit and accept oppression, occupation and rule by a Jewish minority. Yes, Jews control and rule over more non-Jews than Jews.

Turkey and Bolivia have courageously categorized Israel as a terrorist state, more countries will be doing so as time goes on.

WRONG and you will soon see Turkey and Bolivia having to retract or face a court of law for libel. The fact still remains that hamas is a fully proscribed terrorist entity, and the UN could very easily make the same claims about Turkey and Bolivia.

 

[Phoenall]

The truce was broken on 3:15 PM by Hamas.

The targeting of the house of Muhammad Al-Deif (Abu Umar) was around 9 PM.

But don't let facts fool you, Palestinian-apologists.

Facts are overrated.

Keep making things up. Hasbara operatives are trained to do just that.

Whats wrong don't you like the truth clouding your fantasy, if hamas fires or allows the firing of rockets then they have broke the truce. But no one is surprised when the evidence shows that hamas repeatedly breaks agreements to suit themselves. After cast lead they even publicly announced that they would break the deal signed when they perceived they were strong enough to take on Israel and beat them.
You ISLAMONAZI FIFTH COLUMNISTS should be aware that your every word is copied by the government and traced back to your computer. Ask your imam about useruk and what happened to him when he posted the wrong thing, I believe he is still in jail for treason.

I see, you believe that posting criticism of Israel is "the wrong thing" and that soon I will be imprisoned for criticizing Israel. Let's see ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST STATE. Will that get the UK authorities' attention?

Now were did I say that child, OH! I didn't did I you just threw it in because you don't have an answer to the argument. By the way you are not in a position to claim Israel is a terrorist state and could find yourself facing a court of law for LIBEL. As I said ask your imam all about the ISLAMONAZI FIFTH COLUMNISTS that have been arrested and tried for treason

 

[Beelzebub]

Go easy on Phoney.

It sound like he's close to having a breakdown.
Phoney - if you are feeling that way, call this number: 0800 085 2721

 

[Youch]

Israelis kill Hamas leader's wife and child, and another civilian breaking the truce. The European press was clear on this but in the U.S. press bought the Israeli line and claimed that the Palestinians broke the truce. No wonder there are so many Israel Firsters in the US. They just get Israeli propaganda as news. At least one U.S. newspaper, The Chicago Tribune, has reluctantly published the truth:

Israel launches lethal airstrikes, Hamas responds - Chicago Tribune

"militants in the Gaza Strip fired rockets at Israel for a second day on Wednesday after fighting resumed with the collapse of truce talks and an Israeli air strike that killed three people in Gaza."

What truce?? There has never been a truce....merely political pauses in the jihadi caliphate. It will not stop, the rockets will continue to rain down and Israel will continue to defend itself and kill targets of opportunity, and the politicos will posture and demand a fake truce while they re-arm, move the launchers to yet another school, dig another tunnel, give another speech and wait for the next 7th century,trigger-happy hater to continue the assault on the only real democracy in the region. But gosh, lets cling to any blurb or sound bite that might in some small way twist reality and call it "the truth."