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Even Jesus Is A Zionist
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SherriMunnerlyn
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Jesus does not command accepting Mohamed.
Where do you get such ideas from?
I keep telling you I believe in Jesus and The Bible.
And Bumberclyde would be better off if he took his mind off asses and turned his face to Jesus.
Where do you get such ideas from?
I keep telling you I believe in Jesus and The Bible.
And Bumberclyde would be better off if he took his mind off asses and turned his face to Jesus.
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He put rocks in Judas' hand, and used that.
Which pissed Judas off so much that he ratted Jesus out to the Romans.
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If Jesus was the son of god, did he ever have diarrhea?
Rat in the Hat
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Probably, but it's for sure that he never had to deal with the heartbreak of psoriasis.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5ua5XhjoE]SETH MACFARLANES CAVALCADE OF CARTOON COMEDY 12. Fat Jesus - YouTube[/ame]
0:52 to be exact
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It's 10:42, and the "Sherri" account is off-line.
Must be a shift change at the office.
Must be a shift change at the office.
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Can't you just imagine the handover session. They are giving one of the Sherris hell because of her Scarlett thread. They will be in a foul mood now.
When did they move Persia into the Arabian peninsula????
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11:12, and the account is back on-line.
That was a long break. The hand-off must have been interesting.
I wonder which "Sherri" we get now??
That was a long break. The hand-off must have been interesting.
I wonder which "Sherri" we get now??
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Well you have to consider, there was a call to prayer, asses went up and down and heads started banging on the carpet, then a handover meeting, then a "Allahuakbar". And off to the computer we go.11:12, and the account is back on-line.
That was a long break. The hand-off must have been interesting.
I wonder which "Sherri" we get now??
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Nobody is saying that Jesus called for a resurrection of the Homeland.
We are speculating on whether or not Jesus would have been a Zionist in the modern age, had he lived in recent times.
That implies utilizing what is known and recorded of Jesus' thoughts and teachings, in support-of or in opposition-to such speculation.
Most people who are not burdened with a hyper-reliance upon Literalism understand the usefulness of Metaphor.
Most folks here understand that we are speaking in metaphorical terms, about Jesus being a Zionist, not in literal terms...
This means examining his surroundings and the extent of his ministry and surviving fragments of thought and pronouncements on The Law and customs and tradition and prophecy and advocacy for and amongst his own people, in attempting to rationalize what his position might have been, in relation to Zionism, in the modern age...
Nobody is taking the Simple-Minded Position that Jesus actually WAS a Zionist...
Nobody is taking the Simple-Minded Position that Jesus called for a resurrection of the Homeland...
Everyone with two brain cells to rub together and even the sketchiest understanding of historical timelines understand that Jesus and Zionism are separated by 1800-1900 years...
The challenge is to speculate - rationally, and with a logical approach to examining his surviving teachings and commentaries - whether he would have been supportive of Zionism in the modern age, had he lived then, instead...
And, my own personal answer was - Yes, it seems likely that Jesus would have been a Zionist during Zionism's earliest formative period, when it did no more than call for a resurrection of the Homeland, and with the caveat that Jesus might very well have withdrawn his support for Zionism, once the arguments and shooting began...
I have made a cogent summary-caliber case for such speculation...
Your attempt to dismiss it with Simple-Minded Hyper-Literal chatter about Jesus never having called for a resurrection of the homeland is noted - and, in turn, dismissed, with prejudice.
We are speculating on whether or not Jesus would have been a Zionist in the modern age, had he lived in recent times.
That implies utilizing what is known and recorded of Jesus' thoughts and teachings, in support-of or in opposition-to such speculation.
Most people who are not burdened with a hyper-reliance upon Literalism understand the usefulness of Metaphor.
Most folks here understand that we are speaking in metaphorical terms, about Jesus being a Zionist, not in literal terms...
This means examining his surroundings and the extent of his ministry and surviving fragments of thought and pronouncements on The Law and customs and tradition and prophecy and advocacy for and amongst his own people, in attempting to rationalize what his position might have been, in relation to Zionism, in the modern age...
Nobody is taking the Simple-Minded Position that Jesus actually WAS a Zionist...
Nobody is taking the Simple-Minded Position that Jesus called for a resurrection of the Homeland...
Everyone with two brain cells to rub together and even the sketchiest understanding of historical timelines understand that Jesus and Zionism are separated by 1800-1900 years...
The challenge is to speculate - rationally, and with a logical approach to examining his surviving teachings and commentaries - whether he would have been supportive of Zionism in the modern age, had he lived then, instead...
And, my own personal answer was - Yes, it seems likely that Jesus would have been a Zionist during Zionism's earliest formative period, when it did no more than call for a resurrection of the Homeland, and with the caveat that Jesus might very well have withdrawn his support for Zionism, once the arguments and shooting began...
I have made a cogent summary-caliber case for such speculation...
Your attempt to dismiss it with Simple-Minded Hyper-Literal chatter about Jesus never having called for a resurrection of the homeland is noted - and, in turn, dismissed, with prejudice.
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Now when all the people were baptized, and when*Jesus also had been baptized and was praying,*the heavens were opened,*and*the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and*a voice came from heaven,*You are my beloved Son;[c]*with you I am well pleased.[d]
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
Jesus,*when he began his ministry, was about*thirty years of age, being*the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,*the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,*the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai,*the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda,*the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,*the son of Zerubbabel, the son*of Shealtiel,[e]*the son of Neri,*the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,*the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi,*the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,*the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of*Nathan, the son of David,*the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon,the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah,*the son of Jacob,*the son of Isaac,*the son of Abraham,*the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,*the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah,*the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,*the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan,*the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3
Speculation is not needed about who Jesus is, He tells us who He is in The Bible.
Jesus is who He says He is, we accept Him and believe in Him for who He says He is and shows us He is, by what He did and did not do in His life.
The Genealogy of Jesus Christ
Jesus,*when he began his ministry, was about*thirty years of age, being*the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,*the son of Matthat, the son of Levi, the son of Melchi, the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,*the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos, the son of Nahum, the son of Esli, the son of Naggai,*the son of Maath, the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein, the son of Josech, the son of Joda,*the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,*the son of Zerubbabel, the son*of Shealtiel,[e]*the son of Neri,*the son of Melchi, the son of Addi, the son of Cosam, the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,*the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi,*the son of Simeon, the son of Judah, the son of Joseph, the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,*the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of*Nathan, the son of David,*the son of Jesse, the son of Obed, the son of Boaz, the son of Sala, the son of Nahshon,the son of Amminadab, the son of Admin, the son of Arni, the son of Hezron, the son of Perez, the son of Judah,*the son of Jacob,*the son of Isaac,*the son of Abraham,*the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,*the son of Serug, the son of Reu, the son of Peleg, the son of Eber, the son of Shelah,*the son of Cainan, the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem, the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,*the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch, the son of Jared, the son of Mahalaleel, the son of Cainan,*the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+3
Speculation is not needed about who Jesus is, He tells us who He is in The Bible.
Jesus is who He says He is, we accept Him and believe in Him for who He says He is and shows us He is, by what He did and did not do in His life.
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But but Sherri, have you forgotten that you didn't even know that John the Baptist was a Jew? Youa re so funny. Heh Heh!
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John the Baptist was a Zionist Jew practicing the ancient Jewish "Mikveh" immersion ritual which is supposed to make one pure.
Mikveh
Mikveh (sometimes spelled mikvah, mikve, or mikva) (Hebrew: מִקְוֶה / מקווה, Modern Mikve Tiberian Miqwā; plural: mikva'ot or mikves (Yiddish) Hebrew: מִקְוֶוֹת / מִקְוָאות is a bath used for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism. The word "mikveh", as used in the Hebrew Bible, literally means a "collection" – generally, a collection of water.
Several biblical regulations specify that full immersion in water is required to regain ritual purity after ritually impure incidents have occurred. A person was required to be ritually pure in order to enter the Temple. In addition, a convert to Judaism is required to immerse in a mikveh as part of the his/her conversion, and a woman is required to immerse in a mikveh after her menstrual period or childbirth before she and her husband can resume marital relations. In this context, "purity" and "impurity" are imperfect translations of the Hebrew "tahara" and "tumah", respectively, in that the negative connotation of the word impurity is not intended; rather being "impure" is indicative of being in a state in which certain things are prohibited (as relevant) until one has become "pure" again by immersion in a mikveh.
Most forms of impurity can be nullified through immersion in any natural collection of water. However, some impurities, such as a zav, require "living water," such as springs or groundwater wells. Living water has the further advantage of being able to purify even while flowing, as opposed to rainwater which must be stationary in order to purify. The mikveh is designed to simplify this requirement, by providing a bathing facility that remains in ritual contact with a natural source of water.
Ancient mikvehs dating from before the late first century can be found throughout the land of Israel as well as in historic communities of the Jewish diaspora. Traditionally, the mikveh was used by both men and women to regain ritual purity after various events, according to regulations laid down in the Torah and in classical rabbinical literature.
The Torah requires full immersion
-after Keri — normal emissions of semen, whether from sexual activity, or from nocturnal emission bathing in a mikveh due to -Keri is known as tevilath Ezra ("the immersion of Ezra")
-after Zav/Zavah — abnormal discharges of body fluids
-after Tzaraath — certain skin condition(s). These are termed lepra in the Septuagint, and therefore traditionally translated into English as leprosy; this is probably a translation error, as the Greek term lepra mostly refers to psoriasis, and the Greek term for leprosy was elephas/elephantiasis.
-by anyone who came into contact with someone suffering from Zav/Zavah, or into contact with someone still in Niddah (normal menstruation), or who comes into contact with articles that have been used or sat upon by such persons
-by Jewish priests when they are being consecrated
-by the Jewish high priest on Yom Kippur, after sending away the goat to Azazel, and by the man who leads away the goat
-by the Jewish priest who performed the Red Heifer ritual
-after contact with a corpse or grave, in addition to having the ashes of the Red heifer ritual sprinkled upon them
-after eating meat from an animal that died naturally
The word mikveh makes use of the same root letters in Hebrew as the word for "hope" and this has served as the basis for homiletical comparison of the two concepts in both biblical and rabbinic literature. For instance, in the Book of Jeremiah, the word mikveh is used in the sense of "hope," but at the same time also associated with "living water":
O Hashem, the Hope [mikveh] of Israel, all who forsake you will be ashamed ... because they have forsaken Hashem, the fountain of living water
Are there any of the worthless idols of the nations, that can cause rain? or can the heavens give showers? Is it not you, Hashem our God, and do we not hope [nekaveh] in you? For you have made all these things.
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Ring a Bell? That's EXACTLY what Zionist Jew John the Baptist was doing!
Mikveh
Mikveh (sometimes spelled mikvah, mikve, or mikva) (Hebrew: מִקְוֶה / מקווה, Modern Mikve Tiberian Miqwā; plural: mikva'ot or mikves (Yiddish) Hebrew: מִקְוֶוֹת / מִקְוָאות
is a bath used for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism. The word "mikveh", as used in the Hebrew Bible, literally means a "collection" – generally, a collection of water.Several biblical regulations specify that full immersion in water is required to regain ritual purity after ritually impure incidents have occurred. A person was required to be ritually pure in order to enter the Temple. In addition, a convert to Judaism is required to immerse in a mikveh as part of the his/her conversion, and a woman is required to immerse in a mikveh after her menstrual period or childbirth before she and her husband can resume marital relations. In this context, "purity" and "impurity" are imperfect translations of the Hebrew "tahara" and "tumah", respectively, in that the negative connotation of the word impurity is not intended; rather being "impure" is indicative of being in a state in which certain things are prohibited (as relevant) until one has become "pure" again by immersion in a mikveh.
Most forms of impurity can be nullified through immersion in any natural collection of water. However, some impurities, such as a zav, require "living water," such as springs or groundwater wells. Living water has the further advantage of being able to purify even while flowing, as opposed to rainwater which must be stationary in order to purify. The mikveh is designed to simplify this requirement, by providing a bathing facility that remains in ritual contact with a natural source of water.
Ancient mikvehs dating from before the late first century can be found throughout the land of Israel as well as in historic communities of the Jewish diaspora. Traditionally, the mikveh was used by both men and women to regain ritual purity after various events, according to regulations laid down in the Torah and in classical rabbinical literature.
The Torah requires full immersion
-after Keri — normal emissions of semen, whether from sexual activity, or from nocturnal emission bathing in a mikveh due to -Keri is known as tevilath Ezra ("the immersion of Ezra")
-after Zav/Zavah — abnormal discharges of body fluids
-after Tzaraath — certain skin condition(s). These are termed lepra in the Septuagint, and therefore traditionally translated into English as leprosy; this is probably a translation error, as the Greek term lepra mostly refers to psoriasis, and the Greek term for leprosy was elephas/elephantiasis.
-by anyone who came into contact with someone suffering from Zav/Zavah, or into contact with someone still in Niddah (normal menstruation), or who comes into contact with articles that have been used or sat upon by such persons
-by Jewish priests when they are being consecrated
-by the Jewish high priest on Yom Kippur, after sending away the goat to Azazel, and by the man who leads away the goat
-by the Jewish priest who performed the Red Heifer ritual
-after contact with a corpse or grave, in addition to having the ashes of the Red heifer ritual sprinkled upon them
-after eating meat from an animal that died naturally
The word mikveh makes use of the same root letters in Hebrew as the word for "hope" and this has served as the basis for homiletical comparison of the two concepts in both biblical and rabbinic literature. For instance, in the Book of Jeremiah, the word mikveh is used in the sense of "hope," but at the same time also associated with "living water":
O Hashem, the Hope [mikveh] of Israel, all who forsake you will be ashamed ... because they have forsaken Hashem, the fountain of living water
Are there any of the worthless idols of the nations, that can cause rain? or can the heavens give showers? Is it not you, Hashem our God, and do we not hope [nekaveh] in you? For you have made all these things.
******
Ring a Bell? That's EXACTLY what Zionist Jew John the Baptist was doing!
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So Jesus was baptized as a Zionist Jew by a Zionist Jew. This should put and end to the question of Jesus' Zionism.John the Baptist was a Zionist Jew practicing the ancient Jewish "Mikveh" immersion ritual which is supposed to make one pure.
Mikveh
Mikveh (sometimes spelled mikvah, mikve, or mikva) (Hebrew: מִקְוֶה / מקווה, Modern Mikve Tiberian Miqwā; plural: mikva'ot or mikves (Yiddish) Hebrew: מִקְוֶוֹת / מִקְוָאות
Several biblical regulations specify that full immersion in water is required to regain ritual purity after ritually impure incidents have occurred. A person was required to be ritually pure in order to enter the Temple. In addition, a convert to Judaism is required to immerse in a mikveh as part of the his/her conversion, and a woman is required to immerse in a mikveh after her menstrual period or childbirth before she and her husband can resume marital relations. In this context, "purity" and "impurity" are imperfect translations of the Hebrew "tahara" and "tumah", respectively, in that the negative connotation of the word impurity is not intended; rather being "impure" is indicative of being in a state in which certain things are prohibited (as relevant) until one has become "pure" again by immersion in a mikveh.
Most forms of impurity can be nullified through immersion in any natural collection of water. However, some impurities, such as a zav, require "living water," such as springs or groundwater wells. Living water has the further advantage of being able to purify even while flowing, as opposed to rainwater which must be stationary in order to purify. The mikveh is designed to simplify this requirement, by providing a bathing facility that remains in ritual contact with a natural source of water.
Ancient mikvehs dating from before the late first century can be found throughout the land of Israel as well as in historic communities of the Jewish diaspora.
Traditionally, the mikveh was used by both men and women to regain ritual purity after various events, according to regulations laid down in the Torah and in classical rabbinical literature.
The Torah requires full immersion
after Keri — normal emissions of semen, whether from sexual activity, or from nocturnal emission bathing in a mikveh due to Keri is known as tevilath Ezra ("the immersion of Ezra")
after Zav/Zavah — abnormal discharges of body fluids
after Tzaraath — certain skin condition(s). These are termed lepra in the Septuagint, and therefore traditionally translated into English as leprosy; this is probably a translation error, as the Greek term lepra mostly refers to psoriasis, and the Greek term for leprosy was elephas/elephantiasis.
by anyone who came into contact with someone suffering from Zav/Zavah, or into contact with someone still in Niddah (normal menstruation), or who comes into contact with articles that have been used or sat upon by such persons
by Jewish priests when they are being consecrated
by the Jewish high priest on Yom Kippur, after sending away the goat to Azazel, and by the man who leads away the goat
by the Jewish priest who performed the Red Heifer ritual
after contact with a corpse or grave, in addition to having the ashes of the Red heifer ritual sprinkled upon them
after eating meat from an animal that died naturally
******
Ring a Bell? That's EXACTLY what Zionist Jew John the Baptist was doing!
Roudy
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Of course! It was John the Baptist's job to make people think that one day, he will "Mikveh" the Messiah. And considering the turbulent times Jews were living under at the time, everybody was praying for the prophecized Messiah to come and save Israel from the Roman occupation. I assume John the Baptist's prayer went something like this: " dear lord oh God of Israel, let this be the Messiah" and then he would immerse the person in the water. I don't think it was any different whe it was done on Jesus.So Jesus was baptized as a Zionist Jew by a Zionist Jew. This should put and end to the question of Jesus' Zionism.John the Baptist was a Zionist Jew practicing the ancient Jewish "Mikveh" immersion ritual which is supposed to make one pure.
Mikveh
Mikveh (sometimes spelled mikvah, mikve, or mikva) (Hebrew: מִקְוֶה / מקווה, Modern Mikve Tiberian Miqwā; plural: mikva'ot or mikves (Yiddish) Hebrew: מִקְוֶוֹת / מִקְוָאות
Several biblical regulations specify that full immersion in water is required to regain ritual purity after ritually impure incidents have occurred. A person was required to be ritually pure in order to enter the Temple. In addition, a convert to Judaism is required to immerse in a mikveh as part of the his/her conversion, and a woman is required to immerse in a mikveh after her menstrual period or childbirth before she and her husband can resume marital relations. In this context, "purity" and "impurity" are imperfect translations of the Hebrew "tahara" and "tumah", respectively, in that the negative connotation of the word impurity is not intended; rather being "impure" is indicative of being in a state in which certain things are prohibited (as relevant) until one has become "pure" again by immersion in a mikveh.
Most forms of impurity can be nullified through immersion in any natural collection of water. However, some impurities, such as a zav, require "living water," such as springs or groundwater wells. Living water has the further advantage of being able to purify even while flowing, as opposed to rainwater which must be stationary in order to purify. The mikveh is designed to simplify this requirement, by providing a bathing facility that remains in ritual contact with a natural source of water.
Ancient mikvehs dating from before the late first century can be found throughout the land of Israel as well as in historic communities of the Jewish diaspora.
Traditionally, the mikveh was used by both men and women to regain ritual purity after various events, according to regulations laid down in the Torah and in classical rabbinical literature.
The Torah requires full immersion
after Keri — normal emissions of semen, whether from sexual activity, or from nocturnal emission bathing in a mikveh due to Keri is known as tevilath Ezra ("the immersion of Ezra")
after Zav/Zavah — abnormal discharges of body fluids
after Tzaraath — certain skin condition(s). These are termed lepra in the Septuagint, and therefore traditionally translated into English as leprosy; this is probably a translation error, as the Greek term lepra mostly refers to psoriasis, and the Greek term for leprosy was elephas/elephantiasis.
by anyone who came into contact with someone suffering from Zav/Zavah, or into contact with someone still in Niddah (normal menstruation), or who comes into contact with articles that have been used or sat upon by such persons
by Jewish priests when they are being consecrated
by the Jewish high priest on Yom Kippur, after sending away the goat to Azazel, and by the man who leads away the goat
by the Jewish priest who performed the Red Heifer ritual
after contact with a corpse or grave, in addition to having the ashes of the Red heifer ritual sprinkled upon them
after eating meat from an animal that died naturally
******
Ring a Bell? That's EXACTLY what Zionist Jew John the Baptist was doing!
Even today, when a Jewish male is born, orthodox and tradition Jews sing hymns about the possibility of the child being the Messiah during the circumcision. I've seen it in every circumcision I was invited to. I assume they chanted the same songs during my circumcision. How wrong they were! Ha ha ha.
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Kondor3
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Reminder to self:
Under no circumstances, never, ever again, attempt to conduct a rational exchange with this creature. She is not sane.
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Response to Crazy Sherriah:
You have one interpretation of the teachings and pronouncements and nature of Jesus.
Your interpretation is not the only interpretation, nor is it even a certainty that your interpretation is a correct one, or one of several correct ones.
The Lord God, King of the Universe, is bound to be far more flexible in outlook than the narrow straight jacket into which your interpretation attempts to limit him to.
You have no credentials for making authoritative pronouncements on such subject matter.
You presume to know the Mind of God in such matters; implicit in your certitude; you do not have to declare it.
Your presumption demonstrates arrogant self-certainty in the face of the Vast Unknown that the Ineffable One has presented to us.
For shame.
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