Even if Bolton gets a vote, can he win?

[theim]

I heard that to lose, 5 Republicans would have to side with Democrats.

Well there's obviously George Voinovich, the new edition to the Maverick Club John Thune (he's upset 'cause the pentagon wants to close an airforce base, because that is like, totally relevent to the UN ambassador), Olympia Snowe can be counted on to side with Democrats, Throw in another "Maverick" just for good measure...

 

[reagan38]

If we can hold them to their word, Bolton has majority support in the Senate. It seems that only Voinovich and Thune will vote against him on the Republican side. All of the moderates are pretty much on record saying they supported him. Even McCain supports him and I'm pretty sure DeWine said so too.

With the debate under way, staffers for key moderate Republican senators -- Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- told CNN their bosses had decided to support the Bolton nomination.

A spokeswoman for Sen. Olympia Snowe of Maine said that as of a couple weeks ago Snowe was not opposed to Bolton's nomination and she didn't "think it was going to be a problem." But she added that Snowe might change her mind, once she got to the floor.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/24/bolton/

 

[nakedemperor]

I heard that to lose, 5 Republicans would have to side with Democrats.

Well there's obviously George Voinovich, the new edition to the Maverick Club John Thune (he's upset 'cause the pentagon wants to close an airforce base, because that is like, totally relevent to the UN ambassador), Olympia Snowe can be counted on to side with Democrats, Throw in another "Maverick" just for good measure...

Even if you disagree with dissenting Republicans, how are you going to call them Mavericks for voting the way they feel they should? Call them wrong, but don't belittle them for stepping out of line with their party. Its darn refreshing to see members of the most vote-by-party-lines senate majority in the history of the United States vote their conscience. There's a reason Bush has never had to issue a veto (does that sound incredible to anyone else?), and that's because the senate GOP takes its marching orders from the White House and never misses a beat.

Of course party leadership should matter, but isn't it distressing to get SO used to complete and utter party compliance without dissent that to disagree once makes you a "maverick"??

 

[dilloduck]

Even if you disagree with dissenting Republicans, how are you going to call them Mavericks for voting the way they feel they should? Call them wrong, but don't belittle them for stepping out of line with their party. Its darn refreshing to see members of the most vote-by-party-lines senate majority in the history of the United States vote their conscience. There's a reason Bush has never had to issue a veto (does that sound incredible to anyone else?), and that's because the senate GOP takes its marching orders from the White House and never misses a beat.

Of course party leadership should matter, but isn't it distressing to get SO used to complete and utter party compliance without dissent that to disagree once makes you a "maverick"??

It's just a word----don't get all worked up about it :scratch:

 

[nakedemperor]

It's just a word----don't get all worked up about it :scratch:

No, its very aptly indicative of the way the two parties work (badly), especially the current senate majority.

 

[theim]

I'm just saying, if they repeatedly don't go along witht your party on ANYTHING (Hello, Ms. Snowe) why would you belong to said party?

 

[nakedemperor]

I'm just saying, if they repeatedly don't go along witht your party on ANYTHING (Hello, Ms. Snowe) why would you belong to said party?

Well, you also said that about Voinovich. Does he consistantly do that?

 

[reagan38]

In my opinion, Maverick is the most ironic word liberals have ever championed. It is meant to mean some kind of brave, wild, independent senator who has a pair. In fact these people are exactly the opposite. They have no spine and shy away from confrontation all the time. Just look at the filibuster deal.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Even if you disagree with dissenting Republicans, how are you going to call them Mavericks for voting the way they feel they should? Call them wrong, but don't belittle them for stepping out of line with their party. Its darn refreshing to see members of the most vote-by-party-lines senate majority in the history of the United States vote their conscience. There's a reason Bush has never had to issue a veto (does that sound incredible to anyone else?), and that's because the senate GOP takes its marching orders from the White House and never misses a beat.

Of course party leadership should matter, but isn't it distressing to get SO used to complete and utter party compliance without dissent that to disagree once makes you a "maverick"??

Their conscience? Whatever. These are just a few usually inconsequential wannabes trying to feel powerful by selling out.