EV battery swapping

[Captain Caveman]

Let's be honest, the only thing that can make EV's survive is to swap the battery like a power tool -






Ignore all manufacturers agreeing on a standard, it just takes one to set that standard because others will have to play catch up.

 

[Godboy]

Thats pretty cool. That does seem like an idea that could work. Instead of gas stations, you just have battery swapping stations where you pay for a "fill up". People would start getting pissed though if they got a bad battery during one of these swaps.

 

[egp320i]

Thats pretty cool. That does seem like an idea that could work. Instead of gas stations, you just have battery swapping stations where you pay for a "fill up". People would start getting pissed though if they got a bad battery during one of these swaps.

and.........you paid 200 for the service and 4000 for the battery because they have all sizes for all EV vehicles?

I doubt this place could find your battery in 1 hour yet alone toss it in 60 seconds

seems staged

 

[Godboy]

and.........you paid 200 for the service and 4000 for the battery because they have all sizes for all EV vehicles?

I doubt this place could find your battery in 1 hour yet alone toss it in 60 seconds

seems staged

If we replaced gas stations with battery stations, US regulations would require all car manufacturers to produce the same battery.

 

[leftwinger]

Thats pretty cool. That does seem like an idea that could work. Instead of gas stations, you just have battery swapping stations where you pay for a "fill up". People would start getting pissed though if they got a bad battery during one of these swaps.

Yeah it could be a problem. You get a brand new car. They swap in an end of life battery. Elite will grt mad.

 

[leftwinger]

Big EV battery weigh 1000s of pounds all cabled in series? Takes a forklift and up-front design. Storage and charge warehouse for the spares.

 

[egp320i]

If we replaced gas stations with battery stations, US regulations would require all car manufacturers to produce the same battery.

that's fine but that means every EV maker has to have a uniform battery and that might not work in a sedan, vs SUV vs truck

they can't make one that is universal

but if it's and ICE engine it does not matte what size gas tank you have

 

[MarathonMike]

that's fine but that means every EV maker has to have a uniform battery and that might not work in a sedan, vs SUV vs truck

they can't make one that is universal

but if it's and ICE engine it does not matte what size gas tank you have

Big EV battery weigh 1000s of pounds all cabled in series? Takes a forklift and up-front design. Storage and charge warehouse for the spares.

For an average EV car, "swapping" a battery costs about $15K. They are enormous and as leftwinger says very complex.

 

[egp320i]

For an average EV car, "swapping" a battery costs about $15K. They are enormous and as leftwinger says very complex.

yep and it's not a 60 minute job at a quick lube........not even close

I don't think many are not RICH can just drop 15K on their CC either

 

[The Duke]

Let's be honest, the only thing that can make EV's survive is to swap the battery like a power tool -






Ignore all manufacturers agreeing on a standard, it just takes one to set that standard because others will have to play catch up.

It's just so many "moving parts" the way they're made. I'm on the fence about it.
A couple bad cells and the whole thing's not going well.

 

[Godboy]

that's fine but that means every EV maker has to have a uniform battery and that might not work in a sedan, vs SUV vs truck

they can't make one that is universal

but if it's and ICE engine it does not matte what size gas tank you have

Instead of pushing the "diesel" button at the pump, you push the "truck battery" button. I would imagine that 3 battery types would cover everything we drive on the road.

 

[ding]

I love predictable surprises.

 

[Old Rocks]

Let's be honest, the only thing that can make EV's survive is to swap the battery like a power tool -






Ignore all manufacturers agreeing on a standard, it just takes one to set that standard because others will have to play catch up.

There are already fast charging batteries that have ranges over 500 miles being made on pilot lines. When these cost about 20% of the present battery cost, EV's will be the best auto's available.

 

[Captain Caveman]

that's fine but that means every EV maker has to have a uniform battery and that might not work in a sedan, vs SUV vs truck

they can't make one that is universal

but if it's and ICE engine it does not matte what size gas tank you have

The point is, drive around in a Tesla, Volvo, BMW or whatever and you'll see a guy drive up to an EV station in a Ching Chang (made up) model and see the battery swapped in 60 seconds. So whatever brand of car does that, some will buy that brand or move over to that brand because of that. You buy the body, you don't own the battery, you're just buying the charge. If it's a big enough feature that attracts the buyer, other car manufacturers will either copy or adapt their cars to take that battery.

So what would, say a Tesla cost if you didn't have to buy the battery.

 

[egp320i]

The point is, drive around in a Tesla, Volvo, BMW or whatever and you'll see a guy drive up to an EV station in a Ching Chang (made up) model and see the battery swapped in 60 seconds. So whatever brand of car does that, some will buy that brand or move over to that brand because of that. You buy the body, you don't own the battery, you're just buying the charge. If it's a big enough feature that attracts the buyer, other car manufacturers will either copy or adapt their cars to take that battery.

So what would, say a Tesla cost if you didn't have to buy the battery.

much cheaper, the battery alone is a good 25% of the price

no shop can swap a battery that fast, the bolts, straps, plugs/harness then you don't even know if you are getting
a good fresh battery that's not a chinese knockoff

co-pilot say at a tesla dealer 1-2 hours then another hour to pair the battery to the car which sounds like a long time
they need to run diagnostics to pair correctly, computers today are tricky

hell 10 years ago swapping your car battery you had to reset it so it learns

 

[Captain Caveman]

much cheaper, the battery alone is a good 25% of the price

no shop can swap a battery that fast, the bolts, straps, plugs/harness then you don't even know if you are getting
a good fresh battery that's not a chinese knockoff

co-pilot say at a tesla dealer 1-2 hours then another hour to pair the battery to the car which sounds like a long time
they need to run diagnostics to is pair correctly

My youngest is an electrician, the firm he works at has a few 4 way Makita chargers full of batteries for the lads. When the drill runs flat, go over and swap the battery. I have about a dozen cordless power tools but just 3 batteries. I prefer to plug in the 240v version and use the battery version where a quick convenience is required.

You can get knock off Makita batteries too, but his firm buys the Makita OE ones.

If the video is legit, some Chinese car/taxi firm looks to be doing it.

 

[egp320i]

My youngest is an electrician, the firm he works at has a few 4 way Makita chargers full of batteries for the lads. When the drill runs flat, go over and swap the battery. I have about a dozen cordless power tools but just 3 batteries. I prefer to plug in the 240v version and use the battery version where a quick convenience is required.

You can get knock off Makita batteries too, but his firm buys the Makita OE ones.

If the video is legit, some Chinese car/taxi firm looks to be doing it.

cordless drill is plug and play =)

they might be doing it in china but it's still going to take 60 minutes, I doubt it's like a pit crew

china probably has their own state run EV mass produced car so all the batteries fit, then this would work
but if the battery pack is dead how do you get the vehicle there?

there would need to be a life gauge or something to indicate the battery is just hold a good charge
and needs to be replaced

Just like APC when diagnostics flag your battery as not holding a good charge anymore

 

[progressive hunter]

Let's be honest, the only thing that can make EV's survive is to swap the battery like a power tool -






Ignore all manufacturers agreeing on a standard, it just takes one to set that standard because others will have to play catch up.

other than people able to charge at home daily, standardized changeable battery packs are the way to go,,

 

[Captain Caveman]

cordless drill is plug and play =)

they might be doing it in china but it's still going to take 60 minutes, I doubt it's like a pit crew

china probably has their own state run EV mass produced car so all the batteries fit, then this would work
but if the battery pack is dead how do you get the vehicle there?

there would need to be a life gauge or something to indicate the battery is just hold a good charge
and needs to be replaced

Just like APC when diagnostics flag your battery as not holding a good charge anymore

The video suggests 60 seconds.

I imagine you would still plug the car into a socket.

 

[egp320i]

The video suggests 60 seconds.

I imagine you would still plug the car into a socket.

I did not watch the video but if the suggestion you can swap and entire EV battery in 60 seconds that is just impossible

two guys at a jiffy lube can do what it takes trained techs at tesla dealership over and hour.......just don't buy it

has to be staged