Ethics of Right versus Left

[freedombecki]

What I find most interesting is your lack of content. I appreciate your strength of character, your strength of conviction. However when it comes to the issues you seem quite out of words. I think this reflects right-wingism in general. Universities are notorious liberal strongholds. People of learning are always examining life. There are practical and ethical considerations. Which should dominate? Clearly, for example, killing all Muslims would be expedient and practically advisable.
Would it be the right thing to do?

Is that a trick question? As far as people of learning always examining life, don't you really mean, "examining other people's pocketbooks?" Because that is all I see liberals in Congress doing. For example, Nancy Pelosi is anal about ensuring that her bro-in-law has 1.3 billion in guaranteed loans for his business investments in Green bankrupt businesses. He gets his money back, taxpayers give up money so Nancy's family is taken care of.

Yeah, liberals get my attention when they're looking to hook the government to pave their streets with gold at the expense of people not as well off as themselves.

But you go right on ahead with your condescending diatribe paired with trick questions and a hand in someone else's purse. It's the lefty thing to do. They teach it in college.

 

[freedombecki]

Actually, there's bad health systems and rich a-holes that don't pay enough taxes, and stupid brainwashed fools, and countries that are falling apart because of the above.

Thank god for Obama and Dems. You people are ignorant fools. tyvm see sig.

Sorry, the founders did not establish this free republic for stealing other people's money by levying taxes against workers "for their own good."

All that does is establish lackeys. When you get enough lackeys in society who can mooch off those in power, those in power have to have more and more lackeys mooching more and more off, and they therefore start raising taxes against the workers. They then form committees to pick very strong leaders aka royals to determine the receivers from the treasury that the workers build up.

Sounds like what the Democrats want--a king.

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Actually, there's bad health systems and rich a-holes that don't pay enough taxes, and stupid brainwashed fools, and countries that are falling apart because of the above.

Thank god for Obama and Dems. You people are ignorant fools. tyvm see sig.

with this post you proved you aint no different then those "brainwashed" fools you talk about....just saying this proves it......Thank god for Obama and Dems. ......is that a Democratic Party flag i see hanging out of your ass Frankie?...they did a nice job on that thing you call a brain....

 

[California Girl]

I don't claim to know what you or anyone else thinks. There are, of course, differences of opinion within any group. You, however, believe that I think republicans want people to die. That's ridiculous. I know there are good people in the republican party. I have several friends in the party. But it's clear to me that there's a lack of concern and/or understanding for the people who don't have health care. Systemically, it doesn't make any sense to continue the way we're going, because non-paying, bankrupt people add only to the cost of insurance! There are some things that government does badly. Certainly, the military is one of them. There are other things government does better than corporations. As Americans, we know nothing about this, but if you ask any German, French, British, or Canadian person, you'll learn that a public health system is far superior to one that only rich people can access. If you're a rich person, perhaps you won't care. But that's the point. You don't care because you have what you need. If you thought about others, you'd realize that there are millions of people who don't have what they need. AND that there are plenty of resources to provide them. The only argument against this is that you deserve it while poor starving children don't!!!

You're an idiot. Much as I sympathize with you, I can't fix stupid.

 

[ihallhou]

"I don't want someone to die because they don't have healthcare (THAT's just a plain stupid comment!)"

It is, is it. First, I appreciate your reaction to my claim that "all republicans who oppose universal health care want poor people to die." That was overstated, obviously. But you must realize that there are serious problems plaguing our system and that we need a solution. Every time I go to the doctor, a specialist, or other healthcare provider, there's someone asking about cost, wondering why their deductible is so high, why he/she has to pay hundreds of dollars a month, only to have to pay more when he/she receives healthcare. This is the richest country on earth. We have no excuse for being the only first world country that doesn't have universal healthcare. Brazil has a divided system, in which middle-class people can pay for extra-good services, while poor folks can go to the public (free) system. That means that a poor guy in brazil has MORE options available to him/her than does a poor person in the US. Sure, they can go to the emergency room and get immediate tests, analysis, etc, but if they have cancer...how many clinics are there that do surgery or treat cancer without payment up front or insurance? Almost all require payment up front. Therefore, my claim about "You want people to die" is not really a judgement of your character, but rather of your knowledge of the current state of the system. Only the very rich in this country feel safe with their healthcare bills.

Are you proud that we rank 38th in the world for healthcare systems, behind costa rica, argentina, morocco, chile, and Dominica? Certainly one of the criteria was access, distribution, and affordability. All of those have made the US a place where wealth has everything to do with access to health care. Should the grandma who worked her whole life tilling the farm die of a preventable disease because she doesn't have access to the great resources available in this country? How about the 20 year old boy that comes down with lukemia? Should he die because of the ideology of conservatives? We need universal health care, just as we have universal military. Why is it that that is unquestioned...we all are willing to pay to disrupt the stable peace in the middle easat, but aren't willing to help our own children. Start thinking, folks. Realize the way the right wing wants to deprive you of what you deserve.

The current system, private insurance, requires a certain (high) percentage of healthcare dollars to go to the insurance company. That means fewer dollars available for the service provided. That means higher prices. It's quite simple. Insurance siphons off billions from what could be put into care, and thus lower prices for everyone (or, as I'd have it, the government.) Either way, get rid of insurance companies, no matter who's paying, everything would be cheaper, because the money wouldn't be siphoned off.

 

[ihallhou]

Nice non-rebuttal. Thanks for not responding to the content of the message. That proves your intelligence.

 

[ihallhou]

"Let's see which candidate gave the most to charity, let's see who wants to keep people on the government dole instead of helping them through charitable contributions.

WHO'S GREEDY? Obama Gave 1% to Charity, Romney Gave 15% - Mitt Romney - Fox Nation"

There's a clear problem with private donations as the sole form of assistance for those in need. It starts with religious organizations, many of whom require religious conversion or attendance at religious meetings to receive assistance. How nasty that is. You entice people into your fold, not on the merits of your teachings, but on bribery - food, housing, healthcare. The people who need this stuff have no other options! They'll say whatever they need to say to get what they need. So you ask them to believe in ghosts and fairies and discriminating against women and gays and to support child-raping priests in order to receive life-saving assistance. Good for you, you're so noble. Let's teach all our children to suspend their mental abilities and speak in tongues because Jebus came back to life and walked on water. Come on people! You're better than that! We don't need fairy tales to be ethical. In fact, it makes ethical behavior more meaningful when it's out of pure concern for others, not selfish reward in the form of heaven and forgiveness.

Another problem is the inconsistency and heterogeneous nature of charities. There may be plenty of health clinics in New York City funded by charities (not that many actually, if any), but if you live in Alabama, are poor, black, and gay, you're kind of screwed.

At the end of the day, this is a priorities issue. What is most important? To fund overseas wars and bases all across the world, or to give little Jimmy a chance at surviving his Lukemia? I am NOT an advocate of welfare, except for those who are disabled and elderly. But for something like healthcare, it is unconscionable to specifically and intentionally exclude poor folks (in the form of votes for republicans) from life-saving healthcare. We all know it's illegal for HOSPITALS to turn people away from care (even though they'll get a bill for thousands, if not tens of thousands of dollars), but specialists, and doctors in any other setting is not bound by that requirement. When you're dealing with life-threatening conditions requiring long-term care, that requirement means nothing.