Et tu, Stephen Hawking???

[sealadaigh]

Seems to me like the good professor wussed out, he would have made a greater impact standing tall and facing those against whom he has a powerful statement to make. He allegedly stated, "Had I attended, I would have stated my opinion that the policy of the present Israeli government is likely to lead to disaster." Others who have accepted include, "5,000 people from around the world, including business leaders, academics, artists and former heads of state. Former US president Bill Clinton, former UK prime minister Tony Blair, former Russian president Mikhail Gorbachev, Prince Albert of Monaco and Barbra Streisand have accepted invitations, according to organisers."
Stephen Hawking: Furore deepens over Israel boycott

Oh well, more hors d'oeuvres for everyone else...

Israel's treatment of the Palestinian's is so horrific, that you have to go back to the Holocaust to find a population of people that were treated worse.

If you were any more full of it you’d be infracting the national foie gras restrictions.


"Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens."
Middle-East-Info.org - Arabs and Muslims in Israel

correct me if i am wrong. i think loinboy may have been under the impression that not all palestinians are arab israelis. many are in refugee camps and israel has denied them their legal right of return and others are in the blockaded gaza or the occupied west bank where they are subject to the whims of armewed and violent israeli settlers.

i don't think hawking is boycotting the conference on behalf of israel's chosen, token, arab palestinians that they keep around so they can pretend to be a democracy.

it is not the "foie gras" thet worries me so much as it is the "connerie merde".

 

[Billo_Really]

If you were any more full of it you’d be infracting the national foie gras restrictions.


"Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens."
Middle-East-Info.org - Arabs and Muslims in Israel

Then how do you explain the Nakba Law?

Or "Jew only" roads and communities?

Or the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law.

This law suspends the possibility of Palestinian citizens of Israel and Jerusalem ID-holders gaining permission, through family reunification, to legally live in Israel or occupied East Jerusalem with their spouses from the occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) or from purported “enemy states.” This decision confirms the Court’s earlier ruling on the issue, in May 2006, and entrenches this discriminatory law within the apartheid legislation of Israel, whose public institutions uphold the regime.

Equal rights my ass!

 

[Billo_Really]

What does that have to do with the OP?

It's the reason people are boycotting Israel, you fuckin' dumbass!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Israel's treatment of the Palestinian's is so horrific, that you have to go back to the Holocaust to find a population of people that were treated worse.

If you were any more full of it you’d be infracting the national foie gras restrictions.


"Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens."
Middle-East-Info.org - Arabs and Muslims in Israel

correct me if i am wrong. i think loinboy may have been under the impression that not all palestinians are arab israelis. many are in refugee camps and israel has denied them their legal right of return and others are in the blockaded gaza or the occupied west bank where they are subject to the whims of armewed and violent israeli settlers.

i don't think hawking is boycotting the conerence on behalf of israel's chosen, token, arab palestinians that they keep around so they can pretend to be a democracy.

it is not the "foie gras" thet worries me so much as it is the "connerie merde".

Here's where you're wrong....those refugee camps are maintained by their Arab cousins who have refused them entry into Arab society.

Do you recall how and why they left Jordan....?

 

[Kondor3]

Summary-level Wiki information pertaining to the entire range of Boycotts of Israel...

Boycotts of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It reads like an HBO Stand-Up Comedy Special...

It's a circus flea...

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you were any more full of it you’d be infracting the national foie gras restrictions.


"Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens."
Middle-East-Info.org - Arabs and Muslims in Israel

Then how do you explain the Nakba Law?

Or "Jew only" roads and communities?

Or the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law.

This law suspends the possibility of Palestinian citizens of Israel and Jerusalem ID-holders gaining permission, through family reunification, to legally live in Israel or occupied East Jerusalem with their spouses from the occupied Palestinian Territory (OPT) or from purported “enemy states.” This decision confirms the Court’s earlier ruling on the issue, in May 2006, and entrenches this discriminatory law within the apartheid legislation of Israel, whose public institutions uphold the regime.

Equal rights my ass!

A tutorial....is that your request?

Sure.

1. “Ill-armed, outnumbered, however desperate their circumstances, the Jews stood fast.” The Palestinians, by contrast, began to run away almost as soon as the fighting began. “First the wealthiest families went,” Stone recounts. “While the Arab guerrillas were moving in, the Arab civilian population was moving out.” Stone blames the grand mufti for giving explicit orders to the Palestinians to abandon Haifa, which had the largest Arab community of any city assigned to the Jewish state under the UN’s partition plan.

2. The fate of the refugees after their exodus?... expected that the Arab countries to which the Palestinian refugees had moved would eventually absorb them as full citizens. That outcome wouldn’t be perfect justice, but it would limit Palestinian suffering and open the doors to a reasonable and permanent settlement of the conflict. Stone also knew that Israel was in the process of absorbing an almost equal number of impoverished Jewish refugees from the Arab countries, most of whom had been forced out of their homes and lost all their property in places where they had lived for hundreds of years.

3. …for the next 62 years, the Palestinians would remain in those terrible refugee camps—not just in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but in Lebanon, Syria, and present-day Jordan as well. Nor could Stone have imagined that not one Arab country would move to absorb the refugees and offer them citizenship, or that the Palestinians’ leaders would insist on keeping the refugees locked up in the camps for the purpose of dramatizing their Nakba narrative.

4. The tale of dispossession has been institutionalized now, an essential part of the Palestinians’ armament for what they see as the long struggle ahead. It has become the moral basis for their insistence on the refugees’ right to return to Israel, which in turn leads them to reject one reasonable two-state peace plan after another. In the meantime, the more radical Palestinians continue to insist that the only balm for the Nakba is the complete undoing of the historical crime of Zionism—either eliminating Israel or submerging it into a secular democratic state called Palestine.

5. Nor will the facts about 1948 impress the European and American leftists who are part of the international Nakba coalition."
The Nakba Obsession by Sol Stern, City Journal Summer 2010

 

[sealadaigh]

i think it is hilarious that all these people who think BDS don't mean shite, are all freakin' out over nothin. if they would keep their mouths shut about these things it would be trains passing in the night.

hawking didn't make BDS work and most people would have hit the snooze control because the palestinians don't have the media infrastructure...but they got the israeli media and clowns like political chic to do their job for them.

you would think the smartest people in the world would know better and either give up steppin' on their dicks so bad or give up that snip snip on the foreskin.

 

[Roudy]

Well then you must agree with Hawking's other "moral" anti Christian views then.

There's a lot of bullshit Christian's out there that have nothing to do with Jesus.

They say things HE'd never say and do things HE'd never do.

True Christian's do not support wars of choice.

Eh? I don't think you understand. Hawking is an atheist who openly mocks Christianity and the concept of a Jesus as Christ. Um how does your fellow IslamoNazi Sherri put it...he's a "Christ Rejector". Ha ha.

So I guess even Christ rejectors have a place in the hearts of rabid Jew haters like you and Sherri, as long as they have something negative to say about Israel.

 

[Gracie]

It is my understanding that Hawking believes in nothing spiritual. Well, except himself.

 

[Roudy]

It is my understanding that Hawking believes in nothing spiritual. Well, except himself.

Even in his own field Hawking has been wrong about many things.

And for every Hawking there are 2000 scientists that are attending that conference and support Israel. What now?

How come there wasn't all this excitement when a different famous scientist or artist came out in support of Israel?

Bottom line? Big ******* deal. Ha ha ha.

 

[skye]

We tend to assume that brilliant academic intellectual who are experts in one field may also be brilliant and all knowing in most other areas, but the truth is quite different, most of them seem to be complete dummies and inexperienced in other fields of life.

And this is exactly the case of Mr Hawking.

 

[Gracie]

We tend to assume that brilliant academic intellectual who are experts in one field may also be brilliant and all knowing in most other areas, but the truth is quite different, most of them seem to be complete dummies and inexperience in other fields of life.

And this is exactly the case of Mr Hawking.

 

[sealadaigh]

If you were any more full of it you’d be infracting the national foie gras restrictions.


"Arabs in Israel have equal rights under the law
Arabs in Israel can vote for whoever they want
Arabs in Israel can worship freely
Arabs in Israel are entitled to the full same state education as all other Israelis
Arabs are members of the Israeli parliament and ministers in the government

Israeli society gives more opportunity to Arabs than do Arab states to their own citizens."
Middle-East-Info.org - Arabs and Muslims in Israel

correct me if i am wrong. i think loinboy may have been under the impression that not all palestinians are arab israelis. many are in refugee camps and israel has denied them their legal right of return and others are in the blockaded gaza or the occupied west bank where they are subject to the whims of armewed and violent israeli settlers.

i don't think hawking is boycotting the conerence on behalf of israel's chosen, token, arab palestinians that they keep around so they can pretend to be a democracy.

it is not the "foie gras" thet worries me so much as it is the "connerie merde".

Here's where you're wrong....those refugee camps are maintained by their Arab cousins who have refused them entry into Arab society.

Do you recall how and why they left Jordan....?

i am speaking of the legal refugees kept in refugee camps maintained by the UN.

and, while mentioning refugee camps are germaine to the discussion as to why stephen hawking is not attending the conference, a general discussion about the refugee camps is off topic.

go start another thread if you wish to discuss the particulars of refugees and their legal status.

 

[Roudy]

My bet is next year same time Israeli economy will be doing even better, as usual. Ha ha ha.

 

[Billo_Really]

So I guess even Christ rejectors have a place in the hearts of rabid Jew haters like you...

You keep saying that, yet to date, you're still unable to say why?

 

[patrickcaturday]

Strange world.
Often, there are events difficult to explain...
....the following is one.



1. "How Stephen Hawking Abandoned Einstein and Turned on Israel

2. Has Stephen Hawking really left the company of Albert Einstein, an avowed Zionist who worked to create the State of Israel, and replaced him with the august company of Elvis Costello and other Israel boycotters?

3. In his statement embracing the boycott of the Jewish state, Hawking said, “I have received a number of emails from Palestinian academics. They are unanimous that I should respect the boycott. In view of this I must withdraw from the conference.”




4. One would think that Hawking’s response to these academics might be a call to, say, Hamas to start using the billions channeled to the Palestinians as the world’s largest per capita recipients of international foreign aid into building universities rather than buying bombs, or educating women rather than tacitly allowing the honor killings of young Palestinian women ...

5. ...Hawking decided instead to condemn the country whose scholars have won ten Nobel prizes, from a population of six million, while the entire Arab world, numbering in the hundreds of millions, have won two, outside the peace prize (another four). Clearly, a knowledge of physics is no guarantor of a knowledge of foreign affairs.





6. ...often called the Einstein of his generation, it is worth reminding him that Einstein was a committed Zionist who traveled around the United States with Chain Weizmann to raise money for the creation of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, an institution that Hawking now refuses to even visit.

a. ....Einstein wrote, “On Saturday I'm off to America — not to speak at universities (though there will probably be that, too, on the side) but rather to help in the founding of the Jewish University in Jerusalem. I feel an intense need to do something for this cause.”

b. ...[and] Einstein wrote, “I am not at all eager to go to America but am doing it only in the interests of the Zionists, who must beg for dollars to build educational institutions in Jerusalem and for whom I act as high priest and decoy . . . I do what I can to help those in my tribe who are treated so badly everywhere.”




7. When in 1948 President Truman recognized the new Jewish State of Israel, Einstein declared it "the fulfillment of our dream.”

8. How unfortunate that a man as visionary as Stephen Hawking can peer so deeply into the Universe but it is so myopic as to fail to see the righteousness of Israel’s cause even as it stares him right in the face."
How Stephen Hawking Abandoned Einstein and Turned on Israel - The New York Sun

Your link does not match up to the above article !!! Would you care to explain why there is a difference in the two ???

 

[sealadaigh]

We tend to assume that brilliant academic intellectual who are experts in one field may also be brilliant and all knowing in most other areas, but the truth is quite different, most of them seem to be complete dummies and inexperienced in other fields of life.

And this is exactly the case of Mr Hawking.

LOL...i love it when people project their opinion as truth and tell me (as in "we") what i assume.

your whole post is paradoxical and an anachronism. you pretend to be an expert on the flaws of experts and their intellectual failings..

i don't think many people are claiming anything other than what he is. he is a renowned (some would call "brilliant") who as a matter of conscience has decided to boycott a conference in a show of solidarity with those who seek justice and human rights for the palestinian people. he never claimed any particular expertise in matters of a political or social nature...LOL.

i assume, based upon experience, that smart people are smart people in fields other than their own. i.e. they may lack expertise on the subject but they are quite capable of forming opinions based upon their grasp as opposed to just following the crowd.

 

[Billo_Really]

A tutorial....is that your request?

Sure.

1. “Ill-armed, outnumbered, however desperate their circumstances, the Jews stood fast.” The Palestinians, by contrast, began to run away almost as soon as the fighting began.

Funny how there was no recorded incidents of major violence between arabs and jews in that area until the zionist migration.

“First the wealthiest families went,” Stone recounts. “While the Arab guerrillas were moving in, the Arab civilian population was moving out.” Stone blames the grand mufti for giving explicit orders to the Palestinians to abandon Haifa, which had the largest Arab community of any city assigned to the Jewish state under the UN’s partition plan.

Palestinian's didn't move! They were driven out by jewish terrorist groups like Irgun.

2. The fate of the refugees after their exodus?... expected that the Arab countries to which the Palestinian refugees had moved would eventually absorb them as full citizens. That outcome wouldn’t be perfect justice, but it would limit Palestinian suffering and open the doors to a reasonable and permanent settlement of the conflict. Stone also knew that Israel was in the process of absorbing an almost equal number of impoverished Jewish refugees from the Arab countries, most of whom had been forced out of their homes and lost all their property in places where they had lived for hundreds of years.

WTF are talking about? Arabs had been living in that area for over a thousand years. And it doesn't matter what lies you come up with, no one can move into an area and automatically have more land rights than the people already living there.

3. …for the next 62 years, the Palestinians would remain in those terrible refugee camps—not just in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but in Lebanon, Syria, and present-day Jordan as well. Nor could Stone have imagined that not one Arab country would move to absorb the refugees and offer them citizenship, or that the Palestinians’ leaders would insist on keeping the refugees locked up in the camps for the purpose of dramatizing their Nakba narrative.

They wouldn't be refugees if zionists had any respect for international law and human rights.

4. The tale of dispossession has been institutionalized now, an essential part of the Palestinians’ armament for what they see as the long struggle ahead. It has become the moral basis for their insistence on the refugees’ right to return to Israel, which in turn leads them to reject one reasonable two-state peace plan after another. In the meantime, the more radical Palestinians continue to insist that the only balm for the Nakba is the complete undoing of the historical crime of Zionism—either eliminating Israel or submerging it into a secular democratic state called Palestine.

If jews can return to that area after 3000 years, Palestinian's can return after 60 years.

5. Nor will the facts about 1948 impress the European and American leftists who are part of the international Nakba coalition."
The Nakba Obsession by Sol Stern, City Journal Summer 2010

You still didn't answer my questions, you just avoided them.

So if you were teaching "How to puss out when you have no argument", I'd say you get a passing grade.

Now go out and suck me up a mansion, you stupid *****!

 

[Hossfly]

Israel's treatment of the Palestinian's is so horrific, that you have to go back to the Holocaust to find a population of people that were treated worse.

What does that have to do with the OP?

let me give you a clue in the form of a question and let's see if you can figure it out, hip pocket.

is hawking boycotting the conference because he didn't get his choice of dinner on the menu or is he boycotting the conference because israel's treatment of the palestinians is horrific?

Over dinner. They don't serve crow.

 

[Billo_Really]

Over dinner. They don't serve crow.

But what about all the other country's that don't give Hawkings a good meal?

How come no one is boycotting them?