EPA law could cause black-outs in the Midwest

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants would lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest and impose costs of nearly $250 billion, according to new analysis by the Center of the American Experiment (CAE).

The EPA’s proposed regulations would require fossil fuel-fired power plants to adopt developing technologies, such as carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) and hydrogen blending, in order to significantly bring down their greenhouse gas emissions over the coming decades. CAE filed comments this week in response to the EPA’s proposals, highlighting in its analysis that the EPA has overestimated the efficacy of wind and solar while exposing the 45 million people living in the area served by the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) power grid to elevated blackout risks.
The EPA “does not appear to have the expertise necessary to enact such a sweeping regulation on the American power sector,” CAE wrote in its comments.
CAE’s analysis found that the EPA’s modeled MISO grid could result in massive blackouts across the 15 states it serves, with one stress test scenario estimating that nearly one in five MISO-served households would be without power. Additionally, CAE calculated that building up enough capacity to avoid its projected blackouts in the MISO region would cost $246 billion in total by 2055.

EPA’s New Climate Rule Would Cause Rolling Blackouts In Huge Swath Of America, Analysis Finds

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants could lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest.

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Comment:
This will cause huge economic problems.
Manufactures and retail stores need electricity to stay in business.
And what about vital services like healthcare?
What about schools?
The Crazy Climate Cultists don't care as long as they can virtue signal.
We should cut off the power to the Climate Cultists and see how they like it.

 

[Thunk]

Thunk of the food canning industry.

If campbells is in the process of boiling 50,000 cans of soup and the power goes out for 3 seconds...they have to throw it all away!

 

[Thunk]

I have a bunch of waste oil in the tool shed. I thunk I'll go burn it in a barrel just to piss off the climate nazis

 

[Crepitus]

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants would lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest and impose costs of nearly $250 billion, according to new analysis by the Center of the American Experiment (CAE).

The EPA’s proposed regulations would require fossil fuel-fired power plants to adopt developing technologies, such as carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) and hydrogen blending, in order to significantly bring down their greenhouse gas emissions over the coming decades. CAE filed comments this week in response to the EPA’s proposals, highlighting in its analysis that the EPA has overestimated the efficacy of wind and solar while exposing the 45 million people living in the area served by the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) power grid to elevated blackout risks.
The EPA “does not appear to have the expertise necessary to enact such a sweeping regulation on the American power sector,” CAE wrote in its comments.
CAE’s analysis found that the EPA’s modeled MISO grid could result in massive blackouts across the 15 states it serves, with one stress test scenario estimating that nearly one in five MISO-served households would be without power. Additionally, CAE calculated that building up enough capacity to avoid its projected blackouts in the MISO region would cost $246 billion in total by 2055.

EPA’s New Climate Rule Would Cause Rolling Blackouts In Huge Swath Of America, Analysis Finds

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants could lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest.

dailycaller.com

Comment:
This will cause huge economic problems.
Manufactures and retail stores need electricity to stay in business.
And what about vital services like healthcare?
What about schools?
The Crazy Climate Cultists don't care as long as they can virtue signal.
We should cut off the power to the Climate Cultists and see how they like it.

How would carbon sequestration lead to blackouts? We don't have blackouts now and carbon sequestration doesn't affect how much power is generated as far as I know. Neither does hydrogen blending.

What both would do is cut into the utility company's profit margin, which is what they are really upset about.

 

[Crepitus]

I have a bunch of waste oil in the tool shed. I thunk I'll go burn it in a barrel just to piss off the climate nazis

Why? Thats kinda silly to leave lying around. Fire hazard and all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants would lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest and impose costs of nearly $250 billion, according to new analysis by the Center of the American Experiment (CAE).

The EPA’s proposed regulations would require fossil fuel-fired power plants to adopt developing technologies, such as carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) and hydrogen blending, in order to significantly bring down their greenhouse gas emissions over the coming decades. CAE filed comments this week in response to the EPA’s proposals, highlighting in its analysis that the EPA has overestimated the efficacy of wind and solar while exposing the 45 million people living in the area served by the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) power grid to elevated blackout risks.
The EPA “does not appear to have the expertise necessary to enact such a sweeping regulation on the American power sector,” CAE wrote in its comments.
CAE’s analysis found that the EPA’s modeled MISO grid could result in massive blackouts across the 15 states it serves, with one stress test scenario estimating that nearly one in five MISO-served households would be without power. Additionally, CAE calculated that building up enough capacity to avoid its projected blackouts in the MISO region would cost $246 billion in total by 2055.

EPA’s New Climate Rule Would Cause Rolling Blackouts In Huge Swath Of America, Analysis Finds

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants could lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest.

dailycaller.com

Comment:
This will cause huge economic problems.
Manufactures and retail stores need electricity to stay in business.
And what about vital services like healthcare?
What about schools?
The Crazy Climate Cultists don't care as long as they can virtue signal.
We should cut off the power to the Climate Cultists and see how they like it.

Money is no object.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How would carbon sequestration lead to blackouts? We don't have blackouts now and carbon sequestration doesn't affect how much power is generated as far as I know. Neither does hydrogen blending.

What both would do is cut into the utility company's profit margin, which is what they are really upset about.

How would carbon sequestration lead to blackouts? We don't have blackouts now and carbon sequestration doesn't affect how much power is generated as far as I know. Neither does hydrogen blending.

Shutting down plants that don't waste...err...invest in carbon sequestration will lead to blackouts.
Shutting don't plants that don't waste money on hydrogen blending will lead to blackouts.

What both would do is cut into the utility company's profit margin

What both would do is waste customer money.

 

[ding]

How would carbon sequestration lead to blackouts? We don't have blackouts now and carbon sequestration doesn't affect how much power is generated as far as I know. Neither does hydrogen blending.

What both would do is cut into the utility company's profit margin, which is what they are really upset about.

Is making a profit supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing? Cause it sounds like you are saying government price controls are a good thing. That’s for the market to decide. Ironically these regulations will cause rates to rise as plants are shut down and an increased reliance upon wind and solar leads to supply disruptions.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Thunk [sic] of the food canning industry.
If campbells is in the process of boiling 50,000 cans of soup and the power goes out for 3 seconds...they have to throw it all away!

I don't think Campbell's has any factories in the midwest.

When I worked for them, I knew the name of the cities in which the four factories were located—Sacramento, Maxton, Napoleon, and Paris.

They shut down the Sacramento factory, where I worked, about ten years ago, leaving them with three.

Of the three, the westernmost is in Paris, Texas. That's the only other one that I could remember which state it was in. Maxton, is in Ohio, and Napoleon is in North Carolina.

 

[Crick]

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants would lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest and impose costs of nearly $250 billion, according to new analysis by the Center of the American Experiment (CAE).

Center for the American Experiment? Never heard of them. Let's have a look-see.

Center of the American Experiment​

Founder(s)	Mitch Pearlstein[1]
Established	1990[2]
President	John Hinderaker[3]
Chair	Ron Eibensteiner
Senior Policy Fellow	Kathy Kersten
Budget	Revenue: $1,191,118 Expenses: $1,087,451 (FYE December 2015)[4]
Address	8441 Wayzata Blvd., Suite 350 Golden Valley, MN 55426
Coordinates	44.9718°N 93.3761°W
Website	Official website

The Center of the American Experiment is a Minnesota-based think tank that advocates for conservative and free-market principles.[5]

Overview​

The Center of the American Experiment was founded in 1990 by Mitch Pearlstein, a former Reagan appointee.[2] Annette Meeks previously served as the organization's CEO.[6] It has received grants from the Bradley Foundation and the John M. Olin Foundation.[7] Katherine Kersten is a Senior Fellow at the organization.[8]
The Center has supported school vouchers[7] and opposed affirmative action, particularly in academia.[9] The organization has been credited with playing a major role in empowering conservatives in Minnesota.[10]

References​

1. ^ Hawkins, Beth (March 27, 2012). "Mitch Pearlstein: Connecting family and achievement gap". MinnPost. Retrieved 5 March 2015.
2. ^ Jump up to:a b Marsh, Steve (November 1, 2004). "Calling ... Mitch Pearlstein". Minneapolis-St. Paul Magazine.
3. ^ Lopez, Ricardo (January 17, 2016). "Conservative blogger, attorney takes helm of Center of the American Experiment". Star Tribune. Retrieved 3 June 2016.
4. ^ "Quickview data". GuideStar. See also "Charity Rating". Charity Navigator.
5. ^ Anderson, Jake (July 10, 2014). "Think Tank Calls For Moratorium On Light-Rail". Twin Cities Business. Retrieved 5 March 2015.
6. ^ "Annette Meeks The True Believer". City Pages. May 28, 2008. Archived from the original on 2 April 2015. Retrieved 5 March 2015.
7. ^ Jump up to:a b Cokorinos, Lee (2003). The Assault on Diversity: An Organized Challenge to Racial and Gender Justice. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 56. ISBN 9780742524767. Retrieved 5 March 2015. Center of the American Experiment.
8. ^ Kersten, Katherine (June 1, 2013). "Minnesota plays pretend with marriage". Minnesota Star-Tribune. Retrieved 5 March 2015.
9. ^ Garcia, Mildred (1997). Affirmative Action's Testament of Hope: Strategies for a New Era in Higher Education. SUNY Press. p. 48. ISBN 9780791434130. Retrieved 5 March 2015.
10. ^ Stahl, Jason Michael (2008). Selling Conservatism: Think Tanks, Conservative Ideology, and the Undermining of Liberalism, 1945--Present. p. 18. ISBN 9780549669777. Retrieved 5 March 2015.

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Here are the comments that CAE produced. Surprisingly impressive.

https://files.americanexperiment.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/American-Experiment-Comments-on-the-Proposed-Section-111-Rules.pdf?v=1691603779&_gl=1*1h1ew3a*_ga*NzY1ODk0MDYyLjE2OTE2Njc0NzI.*_ga_03BRYTYNY0*MTY5MTY4NDIwMS41LjEuMTY5MTY4NDYxNC41Ny4wLjA.

 

[Crepitus]

How would carbon sequestration lead to blackouts? We don't have blackouts now and carbon sequestration doesn't affect how much power is generated as far as I know. Neither does hydrogen blending.

Shutting down plants that don't waste...err...invest in carbon sequestration will lead to blackouts.
Shutting don't plants that don't waste money on hydrogen blending will lead to blackouts.

What both would do is cut into the utility company's profit margin

What both would do is waste customer money.

Cutting carbon emissions isn't "wasting money".

Plus why would any plants shut down? They have years to meet the standards.

 

[Crepitus]

Is making a profit supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing? Cause it sounds like you are saying government price controls are a good thing. That’s for the market to decide. Ironically these regulations will cause rates to rise as plants are shut down and an increased reliance upon wind and solar leads to supply disruptions.

Why don't you point out where I said anything about price controls.

YOu mean shutdown like texas has with their gas fired plants?

 

[Thunk]

I don't think Campbell's has any factories in the midwest.

It works the same way for green giant. (ho ho ho)

 

[Thunk]

Why? Thats kinda silly to leave lying around. Fire hazard and all.

Well...what if I suddenly need to heat treat and harden a blade? I better have oil on hand eh?

 

[Oddball]

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants would lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest and impose costs of nearly $250 billion, according to new analysis by the Center of the American Experiment (CAE).

The EPA’s proposed regulations would require fossil fuel-fired power plants to adopt developing technologies, such as carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) and hydrogen blending, in order to significantly bring down their greenhouse gas emissions over the coming decades. CAE filed comments this week in response to the EPA’s proposals, highlighting in its analysis that the EPA has overestimated the efficacy of wind and solar while exposing the 45 million people living in the area served by the Midcontinent Independent System Operator (MISO) power grid to elevated blackout risks.
The EPA “does not appear to have the expertise necessary to enact such a sweeping regulation on the American power sector,” CAE wrote in its comments.
CAE’s analysis found that the EPA’s modeled MISO grid could result in massive blackouts across the 15 states it serves, with one stress test scenario estimating that nearly one in five MISO-served households would be without power. Additionally, CAE calculated that building up enough capacity to avoid its projected blackouts in the MISO region would cost $246 billion in total by 2055.

EPA’s New Climate Rule Would Cause Rolling Blackouts In Huge Swath Of America, Analysis Finds

Proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) rules regulating carbon dioxide emissions for power plants could lead to blackouts in a large slice of the Midwest.

dailycaller.com

Comment:
This will cause huge economic problems.
Manufactures and retail stores need electricity to stay in business.
And what about vital services like healthcare?
What about schools?
The Crazy Climate Cultists don't care as long as they can virtue signal.
We should cut off the power to the Climate Cultists and see how they like it.

Minus the unnecessary deaths it will cause, I say good.

The sooner that enviro-moonbattery is exposed for the misanthropic grift that it is, the better....And what better way to display it than millions having their power cut off?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cutting carbon emissions isn't "wasting money".

Plus why would any plants shut down? They have years to meet the standards.

Cutting carbon emissions isn't "wasting money".

Why not?

Plus why would any plants shut down? They have years to meet the standards.

How is the time going to help a plant sequester carbon if there is no suitable storage nearby?

 

[ding]

Why don't you point out where I said anything about price controls.

YOu mean shutdown like texas has with their gas fired plants?

You inferred it when you argued it shouldn’t be a problem paying for increased government regulations from their profit.

 

[ding]

YOu mean shutdown like texas has with their gas fired plants?

No. That wasn’t a shut down. I mean shut down as in moth balling the plant because it would be uneconomical to operate to comply with increasingly more stringent emission standards.

 

[Crepitus]

Well...what if I suddenly need to heat treat and harden a blade? I better have oil on hand eh?

Ok, not something most of us end up doing very often but I'll give ya that.

 

[Crepitus]

Cutting carbon emissions isn't "wasting money".

Why not?

Plus why would any plants shut down? They have years to meet the standards.

How is the time going to help a plant sequester carbon if there is no suitable storage nearby?

These issuse are why they have years to work out the details.