Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

[Camp]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

 

[orogenicman]

No, it doesn't mean that. Take Mercury, for example. Harm has definitely been demonstrated for exposure to high concentrations, but no harm has ever been demonstrated by exposure to low concentrations. If you eat fish, you've been exposed to Mercury. You don't see the EPA telling you not to eat fish, do you?

Mercury accumulates both in the environment and within the animals that ingest it. That doesn't happen with benzene. Benzene alters DNA (permanently), and does permanent damage to the nervous system.

None of that disproves a thing I've posted.

It proves that you misrepresent the facts.

No it doesn't. Furthermore, don't think anyone hasn't noticed how you simply sidestep what I've posted. Your posts are all non sequiturs.

Apparently that is his modus operandi as he uses the same side step and deflection quite frequently on other threads - either that or he has his other avatar step in for him.

Yeah, greenbean, it's all a fucking conspiracy, don'thcha know.

 

[orogenicman]

I know this will drive the environmental wackos. "How dare anyone claim the environment is clean!"

Michigan s Environment is Cleaner than it s Been in More than 100 Years Michigan Capitol Confidential

Michigan's Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

Disease, contamination and pollutants are mostly in the past while

Many people view the relationship between humans and nature as a zero-sum game: Our progress comes at the direct expense of the environment. Actually, that’s not the case.


Recently, we’ve been able to dramatically improve our standard of living while simultaneously leaving behind a cleaner environment. In fact, Michigan’s environment is arguably cleaner than it has been in more than 100 years.


Consider how clean our drinking water has become. In the early 20th century, waterborne infectious diseases such as cholera, dysentery and typhoid were leading causes of death, and typhoid epidemics annually sickened thousands in American cities. With technological leaps in filtration – now to the level of filtering microbes and chemical compounds, disinfection and water analysis – these waterborne illnesses have been practically eradicated in Michigan and the United States.

The water in our rivers, lakes and streams is also less contaminated than it used to be. Treated wastewater and storm water contain significantly lower levels of contaminants, as technology and control systems have advanced. Some wastewater treatment plants in Michigan discharge water of higher quality than their receiving streams. For example, the PARCC Side Clean Water Plant in Plainfield, Michigan discharges four million gallons of water per day into the Grand River that is of better quality than the river’s water. Other Michigan treatment plants can also produce effluents better than river water much of the time.


Wildlife habitats are improving, too. In a 2010 Detroit News article, Jim Lynch chronicled the repopulation of wildlife around Detroit, writing, “After decades of struggling to overcome the Detroit River’s polluted past, a variety of fish and bird species have re-established themselves ... [t]he budding osprey population is joined by increasing numbers of walleye, lake sturgeon and whitefish as well as bird species like the bald eagle and peregrine falcon.”​

Ours is. China's isn't.

Watching people strive to be like China where they work for 50cents (USD) and hour in order to stay competitive globally and watching them have "Smog days" out of school should teach the weak minded, but.....

So those all the only two alternatives: regulate ourselves into bankruptcy or turn into China?

Do you turds understand why no one pays attention to your idiocies any longer?

Straw man argument. Try again.

 

[Moonglow]

Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

The courts do give people the ability to be free from being a wage slave and picking up trash when sentenced....

 

[orogenicman]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

Because it doesn't kill at low concentrations. Hey, you can put it in your soup! Yippie! See how smart he is!!!

 

[GreenBean]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

I am not on neither side on this issue , sort of teetering on the fence - but I do think you are sensationalizing Bripats stance. I do believe that what he is advocating is a sensible balance between environmental responsibility and fiscal responsibility .

There comes a point where you need to weigh the economic needs of the society against environmental common sense or tree hugging lunacy .

 

[Camp]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

I am not on neither side on this issue , sort of teetering on the fence - but I do think you are sensationalizing Bripats stance. I do believe that what he is advocating is a sensible balance between environmental responsibility and fiscal responsibility .

There comes a point where you need to weigh the economic needs of the society against environmental common sense or tree hugging lunacy .

Wrong. a warped way of thinking. Business and financial interest should never be considered when it comes to gambling with the health and safety of our children. It is the children that almost always get the worst part of these criminal decisions that allow profits to outweigh the health of infants and citizens in general.

 

[Jarhead]

So why would you want to abolish the EPA and get rid of environmental laws?

So Mr. Businessman can save a few bucks and dump all his shit right into the river.

Nope. There are laws that prevent that. It is not rocket science to understand that laws such as that will result in a cleaner environment.

What we question now is WHY all of the NEW initiatives. What we have on the books is working. Additional ones are nothing more than base appeasing actions.

 

[Camp]

So why would you want to abolish the EPA and get rid of environmental laws?

So Mr. Businessman can save a few bucks and dump all his shit right into the river.

Nope. There are laws that prevent that. It is not rocket science to understand that laws such as that will result in a cleaner environment.

What we question now is WHY all of the NEW initiatives. What we have on the books is working. Additional ones are nothing more than base appeasing actions.

Wonder how many besides you have fallen for the OP's misdirection. The supportive link for this whole conversation is a report about one state. The OP took a report about Michigan improving it's air and water quality and presented it as some kind of determining national study. Lots of suckers have fallen for the ploy.

 

[bripat9643]

I know this will drive the environmental wackos. "How dare anyone claim the environment is clean!"

Michigan s Environment is Cleaner than it s Been in More than 100 Years Michigan Capitol Confidential

Michigan's Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

Disease, contamination and pollutants are mostly in the past while

Many people view the relationship between humans and nature as a zero-sum game: Our progress comes at the direct expense of the environment. Actually, that’s not the case.


Recently, we’ve been able to dramatically improve our standard of living while simultaneously leaving behind a cleaner environment. In fact, Michigan’s environment is arguably cleaner than it has been in more than 100 years.


Consider how clean our drinking water has become. In the early 20th century, waterborne infectious diseases such as cholera, dysentery and typhoid were leading causes of death, and typhoid epidemics annually sickened thousands in American cities. With technological leaps in filtration – now to the level of filtering microbes and chemical compounds, disinfection and water analysis – these waterborne illnesses have been practically eradicated in Michigan and the United States.

The water in our rivers, lakes and streams is also less contaminated than it used to be. Treated wastewater and storm water contain significantly lower levels of contaminants, as technology and control systems have advanced. Some wastewater treatment plants in Michigan discharge water of higher quality than their receiving streams. For example, the PARCC Side Clean Water Plant in Plainfield, Michigan discharges four million gallons of water per day into the Grand River that is of better quality than the river’s water. Other Michigan treatment plants can also produce effluents better than river water much of the time.


Wildlife habitats are improving, too. In a 2010 Detroit News article, Jim Lynch chronicled the repopulation of wildlife around Detroit, writing, “After decades of struggling to overcome the Detroit River’s polluted past, a variety of fish and bird species have re-established themselves ... [t]he budding osprey population is joined by increasing numbers of walleye, lake sturgeon and whitefish as well as bird species like the bald eagle and peregrine falcon.”​

Ours is. China's isn't.

Watching people strive to be like China where they work for 50cents (USD) and hour in order to stay competitive globally and watching them have "Smog days" out of school should teach the weak minded, but.....

So those all the only two alternatives: regulate ourselves into bankruptcy or turn into China?

Do you turds understand why no one pays attention to your idiocies any longer?

Only you are saying regulate into bankruptcy.

Everyone else appears to understand the subject, while you have not a clue.

A robust economy and a clean, healthy environment are both possible.

OF course the environmental wacko fascists are never going to admit they intend to regulate this country into bankruptcy, but when we look at the regulations Obama has implemented, that's the only conclusion we can reasonably make.

We already have a clean environment. Any further regulations can only have the intent of destroying the economy.

 

[bripat9643]

So why would you want to abolish the EPA and get rid of environmental laws?

So Mr. Businessman can save a few bucks and dump all his shit right into the river.

Nope. There are laws that prevent that. It is not rocket science to understand that laws such as that will result in a cleaner environment.

What we question now is WHY all of the NEW initiatives. What we have on the books is working. Additional ones are nothing more than base appeasing actions.

Wonder how many besides you have fallen for the OP's misdirection. The supportive link for this whole conversation is a report about one state. The OP took a report about Michigan improving it's air and water quality and presented it as some kind of determining national study. Lots of suckers have fallen for the ploy.

If Michigan's environment is cleaner, then so is the rest of the country. The same laws are in force in all 50 states.

 

[bripat9643]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

You're obviously just an asshole who has no facts or logic to bring to the table.

Where did I suggest anyone ingest Benzine?

 

[bripat9643]

I know this will drive the environmental wackos. "How dare anyone claim the environment is clean!"

Michigan s Environment is Cleaner than it s Been in More than 100 Years Michigan Capitol Confidential

Michigan's Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

Disease, contamination and pollutants are mostly in the past while

Many people view the relationship between humans and nature as a zero-sum game: Our progress comes at the direct expense of the environment. Actually, that’s not the case.


Recently, we’ve been able to dramatically improve our standard of living while simultaneously leaving behind a cleaner environment. In fact, Michigan’s environment is arguably cleaner than it has been in more than 100 years.


Consider how clean our drinking water has become. In the early 20th century, waterborne infectious diseases such as cholera, dysentery and typhoid were leading causes of death, and typhoid epidemics annually sickened thousands in American cities. With technological leaps in filtration – now to the level of filtering microbes and chemical compounds, disinfection and water analysis – these waterborne illnesses have been practically eradicated in Michigan and the United States.

The water in our rivers, lakes and streams is also less contaminated than it used to be. Treated wastewater and storm water contain significantly lower levels of contaminants, as technology and control systems have advanced. Some wastewater treatment plants in Michigan discharge water of higher quality than their receiving streams. For example, the PARCC Side Clean Water Plant in Plainfield, Michigan discharges four million gallons of water per day into the Grand River that is of better quality than the river’s water. Other Michigan treatment plants can also produce effluents better than river water much of the time.


Wildlife habitats are improving, too. In a 2010 Detroit News article, Jim Lynch chronicled the repopulation of wildlife around Detroit, writing, “After decades of struggling to overcome the Detroit River’s polluted past, a variety of fish and bird species have re-established themselves ... [t]he budding osprey population is joined by increasing numbers of walleye, lake sturgeon and whitefish as well as bird species like the bald eagle and peregrine falcon.”​

Ours is. China's isn't.

Watching people strive to be like China where they work for 50cents (USD) and hour in order to stay competitive globally and watching them have "Smog days" out of school should teach the weak minded, but.....

So those all the only two alternatives: regulate ourselves into bankruptcy or turn into China?

Do you turds understand why no one pays attention to your idiocies any longer?

Straw man argument. Try again.

Wrong, it's not a stawman argument. You obviously aren't capable of committing logic. No wonder you're an environmental wacko.

 

[bripat9643]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

I am not on neither side on this issue , sort of teetering on the fence - but I do think you are sensationalizing Bripats stance. I do believe that what he is advocating is a sensible balance between environmental responsibility and fiscal responsibility .

There comes a point where you need to weigh the economic needs of the society against environmental common sense or tree hugging lunacy .

Wrong. a warped way of thinking. Business and financial interest should never be considered when it comes to gambling with the health and safety of our children. It is the children that almost always get the worst part of these criminal decisions that allow profits to outweigh the health of infants and citizens in general.

The theory that we shouldn't consider the cost of environmental regulations is too stupid to even bother debating.

You're so damn stupid, I wonder how you manage to put one foot in front of the other. You're exactly the kind of irrational and unreasonable environmental wacko that this thread was intended to beat from the bushes.

The whole forum can now see what an irrational idiot you and your ilk are.

 

[bripat9643]

Unlike Master Bripat, most people, even the retarded, have followed the advice of the EPA and refrained from ingesting things like benzene and other chemicals and agents the EPA has warned us to not ingest. Crack and meth are understandable. Weak people with addictive personalities will ingest these and other chemicals to obtain a desired mental state of some kind of pleasure. What kind of reason is used by folks like Master Bripat to desire ingesting benzine?

Because it doesn't kill at low concentrations. Hey, you can put it in your soup! Yippie! See how smart he is!!!

That isn't my logic, you dumb fuck.

 

[georgephillip]

After all, if it's as clean as it was in 1914, then why do we need more environmental regulations?

How clean was the environment in 1914 compared to 1814 or 1714?

 

[bripat9643]

After all, if it's as clean as it was in 1914, then why do we need more environmental regulations?

How clean was the environment in 1914 compared to 1814 or 1714?

There was probably very little difference.

 

[Camp]

Bripat looses arguments with himself.

 

[bripat9643]

Bripat looses arguments with himself.

That must be your conception of wit.

 

[initforme]

If a corporation doesn't like the regulations, then move to China and contribute to the swill toxic water and air over there. Plus you don't have to pay the workers much of anything. Its a win win. I surely won't sit here and yearn for them to stay if they aren't willing to sacrifice a tiny tiny portion of profit to do things the right way. It is easily possible to have a clean environment and profitable businesses.