Jones: The piece that’s most important, and I stand here in your space and I say this as respectfully as I can. But if you don’t tell black people what we need to do, then we won’t tell you all what you need to do.
Clinton: Well, I’m not telling you. I’m telling you to tell me.
Jones: What I mean to say is that this is and has always been a white problem of violence. There’s not much that we can do to stop the violence against us.
Clinton: Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems.
Jones: That’s not what I mean. That’s not what I mean. That’s not what I mean. What you just said is a form of victim blaming. You were saying what the Black Lives Matter movement needs to do to change white hearts is–
Clinton: Look, I don't believe you change hearts. I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change every heart. You're not. But! At the end of the day we can do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them. To live up to their own God-given potential, to live safely without fear of violence in their own communities. To have a decent school, to have a decent house, to have a decent future. So we can do it one of many ways. You can keep the movement going which you have started, and through it you may actually change some hearts. But if that's all that happens, we will be back here in 10 years having the same conversation. Because we will not have all the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this.
So, as usual, LGS fails to achieve orgasm. The conversation was not the sinister one she so desperately wished it to be.