Enough with the MiGs, and Zelensky should stop asking for them, and stop asking for a no-fly zone.

[meaner gene]

You're a fucking moron and so is Sen. Kelly.

The MiG-29 is the main fighter jet in the Ukranian Air Force and has been for decades. That's why they are asking for MiG-29s in the first place rather than F-16s or something, moron.

They will be able to use the MiGs right away.

Polish MIGS like Ukraine MIGS are in sorry shape. They were from before 1991, and both countries have trouble keeping enough aircraft flying to keep their pilots competent in their use.

It's not like riding a bicycle. You have to constantly fly, to remain a "Top Gun".

 

[Turtlesoup]

Ukraine's only real hope I'm afraid, is for someone on the inside to take out Putin.

It has to be a coalition of oligarths---Ides of March, et too, Brute thing.

 

[fncceo]

It's pretty clear at this point that NATO giving Ukraine MiGs is a terrible idea.

Why would they ask NATO for MIGs?

That's like going into Burger King and asking for a Big Mac.

 

[meaner gene]

Irrelevant. They can still use them right away with no modifications.

First Polish Avionics-Modernized MiG-29 makes maiden flight

On Mar. 15 the first Polish MiG-29 to have undergone avionics upgrade in the Military Aviation Service Facility no. 2 (Wojskowe Zakłady Lotnicze nr 2) in

theaviationist.com

The Polish MiGs have already undergone modernization couple of years earlier, aim of which was to adapt the cockpit to NATO standards (English language indicators and gauges).

 

[22lcidw]

"never" is simply my take. I don't think nato would ever have gotten there unless politics somehow changed. Ukraine housed a LOT of the USSR's nukes. Chernobyl was supposed to be a "jewel." Russia's been devoted to 'reclaiming Ukraine ever since Putin came to power, 30 years ago.

In March 2016, President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker stated that it would take at least 20–25 years for Ukraine to join the EU and NATO.[84]

Ukraine–NATO relations - Wikipedia

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Ukraine doens't even meet turkey's democratic standing. It's corruption is endemic. The driving force for Ukraine to join Nato, has been from Nato's perspective, Putin's aggression. An non-aligned status was always preferable. But, Putin makes no secret that his goal is reacquiring Russia's empire of puppet states.

Ukraine's corruption also precluded EU membership, at least until Ukraine made more reforms. But Ukraine is going to be in the EU, and that was one thing Putin tried to stop.

Now Putin says his goal is not regime change is not his goal. And neutral status is good enough.

Ukraine–NATO relations - Wikipedia

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ANd Blinkin says Russia must be precluded from future invasions. So, if Ukraine is slated to be in the EU trading block, and Russia has to be prevented from invading again .... how?

But Putin's still ordered the murder of thousands of civilians. There's billions in econ damage. There's nothing on donbass or crimea.

Only fools believe Prog propaganda and activated shills when it is needed.