Elveda King Supports Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor Rally on 8/28/10

[WillowTree]

I do love it when people call you close minded because you don't agree with people who spread hate and are close minded themselves. It is kind of like Pole Rider calling me a bigot, because I didn't like him calling gay people disgusting.
If not liking hateful people makes me close minded, then so be it. I guess I am closed minded.

Im so tired of people who spread hate pretending its the other guys doing it and that they are somehow not.

Best Post Of The Day.

 

[Modbert]

Clearly, you know jack shit about MLK, because he certainly would not be a 'socialist' today.

A member of the King family is involved with the Restoring Honor rally. Big deal. Why should she not be? She has every right to be there. However, that doesn't give the rally the 'seal of approval' by MLK.... any more than the other rally being planned would be more legitimate if a member of the King family were to attend that.

It's not a fucking competition about who can get the 'King' name. MLK was an individual and no one has the right to claim him.

I'm not trying to claim him for anybody, I'm not a socialist. I'm merely telling you if King was alive today and talking about the ideas he did, Beck would be calling him a socialist too.

Why Are 40 Million People Still Poor In America? | Poverty in America | Change.org

However, Dr. King's anti-poverty effort was getting significant blowback, some of it coming from old allies. Calling for a major revamping of the economic system and a broader distribution of wealth was simply too much for many. Clearly, more than 40 years later, it still is.

Despite Dr. King's assassination in April 1968, the Poor People's march went off in May of that year with thousands of people of all races descending on Washington, D.C. They demanded that the federal government make the needs of the poor a priority and pass an "economic bill of rights" -- a $30 billion anti-poverty measure that included a commitment to full employment, health care, a guaranteed annual income and the expansion of affordable and low-income housing.

Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1968, King and the SCLC organized the "Poor People's Campaign" to address issues of economic justice. The campaign culminated in a march on Washington, D.C. demanding economic aid to the poorest communities of the United States. King traveled the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would march on Washington to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol until Congress created a bill of rights for poor Americans.[

King and the SCLC called on the government to invest in rebuilding America's cities. He felt that Congress had shown "hostility to the poor" by spending "military funds with alacrity and generosity". He contrasted this with the situation faced by poor Americans, claiming that Congress had merely provided "poverty funds with miserliness".[102] His vision was for change that was more revolutionary than mere reform: he cited systematic flaws of "racism, poverty, militarism and materialism", and argued that "reconstruction of society itself is the real issue to be faced".[107]

Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jobs, income and housing were the main goals of the Poor People’s Campaign. The campaign would help the poor by dramatizing their needs, uniting all races under the commonality of hardship and presenting a plan to start to a solution [3]. Under the "economic bill of rights," the Poor People's Campaign asked for the federal government to prioritize helping the poor with a $30 billion anti-poverty package that included a commitment to full employment, a guaranteed annual income measure and more low-income housing [4]. The Poor People’s Campaign was part of the second phase of the civil rights movement. While the first phase had exposed the problems of segregation, King hoped to address the "limitations to our achievements" with a second, broader phase [2].

I Bond Rate - Martin Luther King Jr I Bond

The speech was a reflection of King's evolving political advocacy in his later years. He began to speak of the need for fundamental changes in the political and economic life of the nation. Toward the end of his life, King more frequently expressed his opposition to the war and his desire to see a redistribution of resources to correct racial and economic injustice. Though his public language was guarded, so as to avoid being linked to communism by his political enemies, in private he sometimes spoke of his support for democratic socialism:

You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry.... Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong... with capitalism.... There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. (Frogmore, S.C. November 14, 1966. Speech in front of his staff.)

Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikiquote

If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.
from a 1968 Playboy magazine interview

Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In an interview conducted for Playboy in 1965, he said that granting black Americans only equality could not realistically close the economic gap between them and whites. King said that he did not seek a full restitution of wages lost to slavery, which he believed impossible, but proposed a government compensatory program of US$50 billion over ten years to all disadvantaged groups. He posited that "the money spent would be more than amply justified by the benefits that would accrue to the nation through a spectacular decline in school dropouts, family breakups, crime rates, illegitimacy, swollen relief rolls, rioting and other social evils".[66] He presented this idea as an application of the common law regarding settlement of unpaid labor but clarified that he felt that the money should not be spent exclusively on blacks. He stated, "It should benefit the disadvantaged of all races".[67]

Say what you want, but if he were saying these things today, I doubt many on the right like Beck would be speaking so favorably of Dr. King.

 

[California Girl]

I am sorry I don't agree with someone who is against same sex marriage, so therefore she doesn't represent a "civil rights movement" to me. And anyone who speaks with Beck, isn't representing their uncle very well.

I'm sorry for you, you closed minded little twitness.

That is hilarious coming from you.


Here is what King's son has to say on the subject.

My father championed free speech. He would be the first to say that those participating in Beck's rally have the right to express their views. But his dream rejected hateful rhetoric and all forms of bigotry or discrimination, whether directed at race, faith, nationality, sexual orientation or political beliefs. He envisioned a world where all people would recognize one another as sisters and brothers in the human family. Throughout his life he advocated compassion for the poor, nonviolence, respect for the dignity of all people and peace for humanity.

Martin Luther King III: Beck's 8/28 Rally Doesn't Honor My Father's Ideals

and here is the rest of what he has to say.

washingtonpost.com

So, I am sorry I don't support someone like Beck.

I'll put my hand up and say that I haven't watched that much of Beck. Having said that, I have yet to see any 'hateful rhetoric, bigotry or discriminatory' speech from him.

And, for the record, MLK III is not MLK any more than his cousin is. I dislike anyone trading on the name of a Great American Hero. I don't care who it is.

 

[California Girl]

I don't know much about her. I know her father died in somewhat mysterious circumstances and was part of the CRM. I know that she was part of the movement at the time but other than that, I know nothing. However, I dislike the inference that, because she is there that somehow makes it ok to claim that MLK would support it. Having said that, having read many, many books on MLK along with almost everything he wrote and said... I suspect he would. What gets lost among the 'race issues' these days are the words of MLK about judging people on the content of their character. The 'black leaders' (and I dislike the term - unless they were somehow nominated and voted for by 'blacks') have no more right to claim MLK than anyone else.

You claim to be well read about MLK and you conclude that he probably would support this rally. Then why shouldn't Alveda, who probably knows more about MLK than you, draw the same conclusion?

I think his son, probably speaks better for MLK than his niece does.

Why? Because he's a son and not a niece? That's ridiculous.

 

[California Girl]

Clearly, you know jack shit about MLK, because he certainly would not be a 'socialist' today.

A member of the King family is involved with the Restoring Honor rally. Big deal. Why should she not be? She has every right to be there. However, that doesn't give the rally the 'seal of approval' by MLK.... any more than the other rally being planned would be more legitimate if a member of the King family were to attend that.

It's not a fucking competition about who can get the 'King' name. MLK was an individual and no one has the right to claim him.

I'm not trying to claim him for anybody, I'm not a socialist. I'm merely telling you if King was alive today and talking about the ideas he did, Beck would be calling him a socialist too.

Why Are 40 Million People Still Poor In America? | Poverty in America | Change.org

However, Dr. King's anti-poverty effort was getting significant blowback, some of it coming from old allies. Calling for a major revamping of the economic system and a broader distribution of wealth was simply too much for many. Clearly, more than 40 years later, it still is.

Despite Dr. King's assassination in April 1968, the Poor People's march went off in May of that year with thousands of people of all races descending on Washington, D.C. They demanded that the federal government make the needs of the poor a priority and pass an "economic bill of rights" -- a $30 billion anti-poverty measure that included a commitment to full employment, health care, a guaranteed annual income and the expansion of affordable and low-income housing.

Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I Bond Rate - Martin Luther King Jr I Bond





Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikiquote

If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.
from a 1968 Playboy magazine interview

Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In an interview conducted for Playboy in 1965, he said that granting black Americans only equality could not realistically close the economic gap between them and whites. King said that he did not seek a full restitution of wages lost to slavery, which he believed impossible, but proposed a government compensatory program of US$50 billion over ten years to all disadvantaged groups. He posited that "the money spent would be more than amply justified by the benefits that would accrue to the nation through a spectacular decline in school dropouts, family breakups, crime rates, illegitimacy, swollen relief rolls, rioting and other social evils".[66] He presented this idea as an application of the common law regarding settlement of unpaid labor but clarified that he felt that the money should not be spent exclusively on blacks. He stated, "It should benefit the disadvantaged of all races".[67]

Say what you want, but if he were saying these things today, I doubt many on the right like Beck would be speaking so favorably of Dr. King.

Why is it that you think you're telling me something I don't know? I've read chapter and verse on King.

What really pisses me off about 'democrats' is your absolute assertion that you can know so much about how the right would react. WE ARE NOT FUCKING RACISTS, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

 

[Luissa]

I do love it when people call you close minded because you don't agree with people who spread hate and are close minded themselves. It is kind of like Pole Rider calling me a bigot, because I didn't like him calling gay people disgusting.
If not liking hateful people makes me close minded, then so be it. I guess I am closed minded.

Im so tired of people who spread hate pretending its the other guys doing it and that they are somehow not.

you know it took me about a year to start hating the 9-11 victims' families? Took me about a year.

And when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up!" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining.

But the second thought I had when I saw these people and they had to shut down the Astrodome and lock it down, I thought: I didn't think I could hate victims faster than the 9-11 victims.

And that's all we're hearing about, are the people in New Orleans. Those are the only ones we're seeing on television are the scumbags...

Glenn Beck hates 9/11 survivors - Portland Progressive | Examiner.com

They have links to the quotes in the article if you don't believe the source. He sounds like a classy guy to me.

 

[Luissa]

You claim to be well read about MLK and you conclude that he probably would support this rally. Then why shouldn't Alveda, who probably knows more about MLK than you, draw the same conclusion?

I think his son, probably speaks better for MLK than his niece does.

Why? Because he's a son and not a niece? That's ridiculous.

I bet you know your father better than your cousin does.

 

[Modbert]

Why is it that you think you're telling me something I don't know? I've read chapter and verse on King.

What really pisses me off about 'democrats' is your absolute assertion that you can know so much about how the right would react. WE ARE NOT FUCKING RACISTS, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

A.) I'm not a democrat.

B.) I know how Beck and others would act, they would act the same way they did with Obama but worse when he mentioned spreading the wealth. Never mind everything I cited that Dr. King said.

C.) I never said you were racist, did I? That was your own paranoid conclusion.

 

[Luissa]

"I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today." –on why people who lost their homes in forest fires in California had it coming, "The Glenn Beck Program," Oct. 22, 2007 (Source)

This one is great. I guess he doesn't want to find a cure for childhood diseases.

So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research. ... Eugenics. In case you don't know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. ... The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening." –"The Glenn Beck Program," March 9, 2009 (Source)

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[Dr.House]

Why is it that you think you're telling me something I don't know? I've read chapter and verse on King.

What really pisses me off about 'democrats' is your absolute assertion that you can know so much about how the right would react. WE ARE NOT FUCKING RACISTS, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

A.) I'm not a democrat.

B.) I know how Beck and others would act, they would act the same way they did with Obama but worse when he mentioned spreading the wealth.

C.) I never said you were racist, did I? That was your own paranoid conclusion.

You should call Howie Dean and see if he'll float you some bucks for all the support you've given them, though... Couldn't hurt...

 

[Modbert]

You should call Howie Dean and see if he'll float you some bucks for all the support you've given them, though... Couldn't hurt...

You could do the same with Boehner, see if he'll throw you a couple bucks his way instead of spending it on tanning.

 

[Luissa]

Ugly people, if you’re a guy, you can get past it. I don’t think you can as an ugly woman.” Adding, “you’ve got a double-cross, because if you’re an ugly woman, you’re probably a progressive as well.” [2/14/08]

History Of Hate

* Progressivism is the cancer in America and it is eating our Constitution. And it was designed to eat the Constitution. To progress past the Constitution.

You pinhead. You think we would actually be sitting here and saying "well, look at the way she was dressed?" If she were Joan McCain, stop it. You self-centered self-righteous socialist out of control dangerous man-hating bitch. Shut your mouth. We might have bought into this crap in the 1960s because too many people were doing LSD. We're not on LSD anymore — we need to start making sense.

Glenn Beck - Wikiquote


He sure sounds like someone I want to support.

 

[Dr.House]

You should call Howie Dean and see if he'll float you some bucks for all the support you've given them, though... Couldn't hurt...

You could do the same with Boehner, see if he'll throw you a couple bucks his way instead of spending it on tanning.

I doubt he'd like to hear what I had to say to him...

Let us know what Howie says to you....

 

[Modbert]

I doubt he'd like to hear what I had to say to him...

Let us know what Howie says to you....

Probably wouldn't like what I'd have to say either. So

 

[Dr.House]

I doubt he'd like to hear what I had to say to him...

Let us know what Howie says to you....

Probably wouldn't like what I'd have to say either. So

I see it differently...

You should check into it... Everyone can use a couple extra bucks...

 

[bodecea]

YouTube - Glenn Beck Talks With Dr. Elveda King - August 26, 2010


Interesting to see this considering some of the comments coming out of people who dont seem to support Becks rally due to its date and location.

I hope she doesn't become offended at how she's being toted like some kind of token.

 

[WillowTree]

YouTube - Glenn Beck Talks With Dr. Elveda King - August 26, 2010


Interesting to see this considering some of the comments coming out of people who dont seem to support Becks rally due to its date and location.

I hope she doesn't become offended at how she's being toted like some kind of token.

demonRat racism never fails to show up.

 

[Avatar4321]

YouTube - Glenn Beck Talks With Dr. Elveda King - August 26, 2010


Interesting to see this considering some of the comments coming out of people who dont seem to support Becks rally due to its date and location.

I hope she doesn't become offended at how she's being toted like some kind of token.

The only people who think she is a token are the people who don't like the idea of Restoring honor.

 

[Cal]

YouTube - Glenn Beck Talks With Dr. Elveda King - August 26, 2010


Interesting to see this considering some of the comments coming out of people who dont seem to support Becks rally due to its date and location.

.. Your point is..?
This rally is everything Dr. King stood against! I mean c'mon.. Look at some of the biggest Conservative figures of today:

Rand Paul- Against parts of the Civil Rights Bill
Sarah Palin- Who supports Dr. Laura's right to say the 'n-word' as much as she wants
Rush Limbaugh- Who almost daily criticizes the President with racial terms.. Such as "boy king." And once said something to the effect of, 'who cares about black people.. their only 12% of the population anyways.'
Glenn Beck: Called the first black President a racist.. With no basis for that claim.

I could go on and on. I don't see how any member of Dr. King's family could support such utter stupidity.. Dr. King was a champion of social justice.. Beck despises it. There is no way on God's earth that Dr. King would eever support something like this.. In fact, he's probably rolling over in his grave.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

There's a certain irony to Beck and others invoking King's name, especially considering he was a Socialist or at least would be considered one by today's standards.

Clearly, you know jack shit about MLK, because he certainly would not be a 'socialist' today.

A member of the King family is involved with the Restoring Honor rally. Big deal. Why should she not be? She has every right to be there. However, that doesn't give the rally the 'seal of approval' by MLK.... any more than the other rally being planned would be more legitimate if a member of the King family were to attend that.

It's not a fucking competition about who can get the 'King' name. MLK was an individual and no one has the right to claim him.

A member of the King family is going to be at the other rally.

MLK III.