Electric Cars: Dead Batteries: Hypothetical Hype

[Old Rocks]

Can Electric Cars & Hybrids Interfere With Pacemakers?

Some of those sources could be the increasing number of hybrid and electric cars we drive.

Thankfully, Mayo Clinic is working to nip this problem in the bud with a study of pacemakers and hybrid vehicles. There, researchers monitored 30 pacemaker recipients as they rode in a 2012 Toyota Prius.

Study participants rotated positions within the vehicle, moving from the driver's seat, to the passenger's seat, to both sides of the rear. Patients were also tested while standing in front of and behind the vehicle.

When all was said and done, researchers determined that the Prius "did not generate clinically relevant amounts of [electromagnetic interference] and that the car is safe for patients with implanted devices...". However, lead researchers Luis R. Scott, M.D. and Fernando Tondato, M.D. both agree that further research is necessary to verify the study's results. Presumably subsequent studies will include a broader range of vehicles, including some electric cars.

You can watch Dr. Scott discuss the study's findings in the video clip embedded above.

That might possibly be a problem. However, it does not seem to be with the testing at present.

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They conducted their studies under ideal conditions and most likely in brand new cars.

How about when the cars electric motor has been used for twenty years and is on it's last legs?

*****CHUCKLE*****

Given how recent the modern EV is, that would be a bit hard to find.

 

[WinterBorn]

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It was my question but thanks for playing since it's now obvious that you have no clue...

Generally there's a lot of toxic waste from batteries and a very high cost to recycling what they can recycle. With what's left being extremely toxic. Of course we could go back to using the lead in the car battery to make water pipes for the inner city urban areas and the sulfuric acid to clean the downtown areas. While other batteries contain other toxic materials that can be even more difficult to recycle. It's the nature of the beast.

Where as the CO2 from internal combustion engines is completely recyclable with enough green matter.

Again thanks for playing...

*****CHUCKLE*****





NOTE: I've worked in the electronics field for nearly forty years. All batteries have lots of toxic wastes in production, recycling, and disposing. The bigger the battery the more toxic material.

Oh, I see. In a discussion of EVs, not knowing the amount of toxic waste in a battery is tantamount to ignorance on the entire topic?

lmao okey dokey

 

[skookerasbil]

EV's are ghey........Americans don't want them. Just go look at the sales.

Now some environmental nutter will post up some bogus stat about the "growth" of EV's and use % statistics. Of course, using % increases is a phony way to make things look better. Progressives do it all the time...............GHEY!!!

Ahhh...............but compare the % to total # vs. conventional vehicles ( even just Ford pickup trucks )............you'll laugh your ass off for 3 days!!

 

[WinterBorn]

EV's are ghey........Americans don't want them. Just go look at the sales.

Now some environmental nutter will post up some bogus stat about the "growth" of EV's and use % statistics. Of course, using % increases is a phony way to make things look better. Progressives do it all the time...............GHEY!!!

Ahhh...............but compare the % to total # vs. conventional vehicles ( even just Ford pickup trucks )............you'll laugh your ass off for 3 days!!

Oh, so you expect a totally new version of a car to be sold in massive numbers, or it is a total failure? I see plenty of Teslas, Volts and LEAFs in and around Atlanta. Despite your most fervent wishes, they are not going away.

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Can Electric Cars & Hybrids Interfere With Pacemakers?

Some of those sources could be the increasing number of hybrid and electric cars we drive.

Thankfully, Mayo Clinic is working to nip this problem in the bud with a study of pacemakers and hybrid vehicles. There, researchers monitored 30 pacemaker recipients as they rode in a 2012 Toyota Prius.

Study participants rotated positions within the vehicle, moving from the driver's seat, to the passenger's seat, to both sides of the rear. Patients were also tested while standing in front of and behind the vehicle.

When all was said and done, researchers determined that the Prius "did not generate clinically relevant amounts of [electromagnetic interference] and that the car is safe for patients with implanted devices...". However, lead researchers Luis R. Scott, M.D. and Fernando Tondato, M.D. both agree that further research is necessary to verify the study's results. Presumably subsequent studies will include a broader range of vehicles, including some electric cars.

You can watch Dr. Scott discuss the study's findings in the video clip embedded above.

That might possibly be a problem. However, it does not seem to be with the testing at present.

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They conducted their studies under ideal conditions and most likely in brand new cars.

How about when the cars electric motor has been used for twenty years and is on it's last legs?

*****CHUCKLE*****

Enron in the Laboratory

That is the method fake science uses to come to its preordained conclusions. Eco-fanatics are among the most dishonest people around. They are pathetic misfits whose whole identity depends on proving to themselves that productive scientists are actually destructive. They have a desperate need to become American idols.

 

[skookerasbil]

I laugh when I see the climate crusaders saying they see Volts, Leafs and Tesla's all over the highways. No they don't..........not when compared to the number of conventional vehicles you see in the same time period you are looking.

C'mon.....lets be real now............nationwide, only about 150,000 EV's will be sold in America in 2017. Ford will sell more F150 trucks in two months than that. Only Ford..........only F150's...........in only two months.

Lets face it..............anybody who thinks EV's are anything more than a trickle in the market are mental cases.

Americans like their big cars and their SUV's...............sorry, that's just the way it is.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

Good for you.............but wouldn't apply to most people. The sales numbers bare that out...........its not even close.

By far, most people still prefer the BMW 5 series, the Benz E class and even the Genesis. Oh, and by the way.......


"So the Model S is sized like a midsize luxury sedan, and it's priced like one, too. Why doesn't anyone call the Model S a midsize luxury sedan?

Simple: because Tesla doesn't want them to.

Tesla has fought incredibly hard for media sources to consider the Model S a full-size luxury sedan, for one simple reason: Its sales numbers aren't as impressive if you compare it to more accurate rivals....."


ghey


https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/the-tesla-model-s-is-absolutely-not-the-best-selling-luxury-sedan-in-america-258097

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

Good for you.............but wouldn't apply to most people. The sales numbers bare that out...........its not even close.

By far, most people still prefer the BMW 5 series, the Benz E class and even the Genesis. Oh, and by the way.......


"So the Model S is sized like a midsize luxury sedan, and it's priced like one, too. Why doesn't anyone call the Model S a midsize luxury sedan?

Simple: because Tesla doesn't want them to.

Tesla has fought incredibly hard for media sources to consider the Model S a full-size luxury sedan, for one simple reason: Its sales numbers aren't as impressive if you compare it to more accurate rivals....."


ghey


https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/the-tesla-model-s-is-absolutely-not-the-best-selling-luxury-sedan-in-america-258097

I am not worried about sale techniques or whatever. That has not been the topic.

Of course BMWs and Mercedes outsell the Tesla. Those are old and respected companies. Tesla has been around for less than a decade. The fact that Tesla is even in the discussion speaks highly of them.

 

[Sunni Man]

Also, the likelihood of all of the batteries dying at once (worn out & failing) is somewhere between slim & none.

With the batteries equally cycling between full charge and low charge over the years of driving.

What makes you think there would be a significant difference between the life span of the individual batteries? .....

 

[WinterBorn]

Also, the likelihood of all of the batteries dying at once (worn out & failing) is somewhere between slim & none.

With the batteries equally cycling between full charge and low charge over the years of driving.

What makes you think there would be a significant difference between the life span of the individual batteries? .....

There are over 7,000 individual batteries. Do you think they will all go bad at the same time?

 

[Sunni Man]

There are over 7,000 individual batteries. Do you think they will all go bad at the same time?

Once again, with the high number of charging and discharge cycles over the years and miles of driving the car. Of course the wear and life expectancy of the individual batteries should be pretty much equal.

No different than my personal flashlight which uses 4 D cell batteries. After many hours of use it quits working, and all of the batteries need replaced to function again.

It's just common sense. .....

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Your Hellcat will lose to the P100D in the quarter mile, and far outlast the Hellcat. You hop up an ICE and you lose longevity in the engine. Also, you are comparing a luxury vehicle to a car that is anything but luxuries. In a decade, it will be the ICE's that are fringe. The Tesla's are the first generation EV's to be manufactured in large numbers. As the batteries improve, and the energy density increases, charging times decrease, the ICE, except in the form of the Buggatties, McClarens, and Ferraris will not be able to compete. Already an EV holds the record for a streetable car at Nurburgring.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

So would a lot of other people.

Tesla Model S Crushes Large Luxury Car Competition (H1 2017 US Sales)

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

So would a lot of other people.

Tesla Model S Crushes Large Luxury Car Competition (H1 2017 US Sales)

lol........fake.....the TESLA S is a mid sized luxury car but the company insists on comparing it in the large sized luxury car so it looks better.( I posted an article on it in the thread )

Ghey.

Most American males.......and its not even close.........are going to want a HELLCAT over a Tesla S. One HUGE factor is cost.......you can get a Hellcat for about 70K ( and go out and get a top of the line RAM truck on top of it for the 130K you pay for a Tesla S ). And then........what about the exhaust note on a Tesla!!

I attend a huge car event most Sundays near me........huge car show by the ocean. At least 500 cars show up but funny.........only 1 or 2 Tesla S's. But at least a couple of dozen Hellcat Challengers and about a dozen Charger Hellcats.

Lets face it........Tesla guys are not car guys..........very few. Ask most males under 50 years old, Nissan GTR or Tesla S............which one you want? Nobody wants a silent car.

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

So would a lot of other people.

Tesla Model S Crushes Large Luxury Car Competition (H1 2017 US Sales)

lol........fake.....the TESLA S is a mid sized luxury car but the company insists on comparing it in the large sized luxury car so it looks better.( I posted an article on it in the thread )

Ghey.

Most American males.......and its not even close.........are going to want a HELLCAT over a Tesla S. One HUGE factor is cost.......you can get a Hellcat for about 70K ( and go out and get a top of the line RAM truck on top of it for the 130K you pay for a Tesla S ). And then........what about the exhaust note on a Tesla!!

I attend a huge car event most Sundays near me........huge car show by the ocean. At least 500 cars show up but funny.........only 1 or 2 Tesla S's. But at least a couple of dozen Hellcat Challengers and about a dozen Charger Hellcats.

Lets face it........Tesla guys are not car guys..........very few. Ask most males under 50 years old, Nissan GTR or Tesla S............which one you want? Nobody wants a silent car.

The Hellcat is a one trick pony. It goes fast. That is it. If that is all you want from a car, buy one.

As for your "most American males" comment, I think you underestimate the number of men who look for more than a dragster when they shop for a car.

And the exhaust note? lol If you buy a car for the sound it makes, you are a motorhead. Nothing wrong with that. But the hostile attacks on Tesla are simply nonsense.

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

So would a lot of other people.

Tesla Model S Crushes Large Luxury Car Competition (H1 2017 US Sales)

lol........fake.....the TESLA S is a mid sized luxury car but the company insists on comparing it in the large sized luxury car so it looks better.( I posted an article on it in the thread )

Ghey.

Most American males.......and its not even close.........are going to want a HELLCAT over a Tesla S. One HUGE factor is cost.......you can get a Hellcat for about 70K ( and go out and get a top of the line RAM truck on top of it for the 130K you pay for a Tesla S ). And then........what about the exhaust note on a Tesla!!

I attend a huge car event most Sundays near me........huge car show by the ocean. At least 500 cars show up but funny.........only 1 or 2 Tesla S's. But at least a couple of dozen Hellcat Challengers and about a dozen Charger Hellcats.

Lets face it........Tesla guys are not car guys..........very few. Ask most males under 50 years old, Nissan GTR or Tesla S............which one you want? Nobody wants a silent car.

Some of the cars on that list can also be listed as mid sized luxury cars.

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh, and being able to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds sounds badass more than it sounds gay.

For 135K? Exceedingly ghey........most American men aren't going to buy a Tesla S. Mostly the social oddballs do.......the ones who think they stick out driving a silent car that goes fast. Progressive don't understand a lot of American culture because they hate it.......they certainly don't understand cars for shit.

C'mon now........for that $$ you can have a Hellcat AND a Ford Raptor truck.

EV's will have their niche.........but will always be fringe. The Disney folks will think otherwise.........good for them!!

Or they can afford to drive a high end vehicle and like the Tesla.

Having driven one, I would choose the Model S over the equivalent Jag or BMW.

So would a lot of other people.

Tesla Model S Crushes Large Luxury Car Competition (H1 2017 US Sales)

lol........fake.....the TESLA S is a mid sized luxury car but the company insists on comparing it in the large sized luxury car so it looks better.( I posted an article on it in the thread )

Ghey.

Most American males.......and its not even close.........are going to want a HELLCAT over a Tesla S. One HUGE factor is cost.......you can get a Hellcat for about 70K ( and go out and get a top of the line RAM truck on top of it for the 130K you pay for a Tesla S ). And then........what about the exhaust note on a Tesla!!

I attend a huge car event most Sundays near me........huge car show by the ocean. At least 500 cars show up but funny.........only 1 or 2 Tesla S's. But at least a couple of dozen Hellcat Challengers and about a dozen Charger Hellcats.

Lets face it........Tesla guys are not car guys..........very few. Ask most males under 50 years old, Nissan GTR or Tesla S............which one you want? Nobody wants a silent car.

Some of the cars on that list can also be listed as mid sized luxury cars.

Yes by bozo's on message boards but not the car industry.........cars are categorized by what they are ( insurance implictions ). Duh.......so is Chevy going to be able to say their Corvette is a subcompact sedan?

I DONT FUCKING THINK SO..............