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More epic Volt fAiL............and more k00k losing............
Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | Reuters
Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | Reuters
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Laughing my balls off again..................
Toyota drops plan for widespread sales of electric car
By Yoko Kubota
TOKYO | Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:09am EDT
(Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp has scrapped plans for widespread sales of a new all-electric minicar, saying it had misread the market and the ability of still-emerging battery technology to meet consumer demands.
Toyota drops plan for widespread sales of electric car | Reuters
Still more k00k losing. These people exist in a world of spectacular fantasy.
What else is there to say?
Seriously.....did you really FAIL to notice that you're comparing complete years from 2002 - 2011 to a partial year, less than 1/2 the year, in 2012? REALLY?!?
Hey........call me the asshole here but the baseline is 353,00 for those looking closely.
Laughing my balls off again..................
Toyota drops plan for widespread sales of electric car
By Yoko Kubota
TOKYO | Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:09am EDT
(Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp has scrapped plans for widespread sales of a new all-electric minicar, saying it had misread the market and the ability of still-emerging battery technology to meet consumer demands.
Toyota drops plan for widespread sales of electric car | Reuters
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What else is there to say?
Laughing my balls off again..................
Toyota drops plan for widespread sales of electric car
By Yoko Kubota
TOKYO | Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:09am EDT
(Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp has scrapped plans for widespread sales of a new all-electric minicar, saying it had misread the market and the ability of still-emerging battery technology to meet consumer demands.
Toyota drops plan for widespread sales of electric car | Reuters
Still more k00k losing. These people exist in a world of spectacular fantasy.
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What else is there to say?
Honda tried it a couple of years ago with the EV. Then they ended up recalling all the cars that were sold.
More epic Volt fAiL............and more k00k losing............
Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | Reuters
Seriously.....did you really FAIL to notice that you're comparing complete years from 2002 - 2011 to a partial year, less than 1/2 the year, in 2012? REALLY?!?
Hey........call me the asshole here but the baseline is 353,00 for those looking closely.
First, I would never call you that unless you asked me to.
Second, I have no clue where you got "353,00". Even as a typo it makes no sense.
Third... The 2012 number is clearly a first quarter or mid second quarter snapshot. Industry sales are on pace for 14.something million units in 2012. As others have suggested, scaling that up to a total years volume would have hybrid volumes pushing 400K, the exact opposite direction of the point you appear to be trying to make.
Finally, that's just US. It's a big pretty world we live in and people in other parts of the globe are also now starting to take a shine to hybrids and/or EVs.
More epic Volt fAiL............and more k00k losing............
Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | Reuters
So many things wrong with that article I don't know where to start. I addressed this in another thread. If you find that thread, cool. If not....what ever.
More epic Volt fAiL............and more k00k losing............
Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | Reuters
So many things wrong with that article I don't know where to start. I addressed this in another thread. If you find that thread, cool. If not....what ever.
Start s0n......and keep on going all ya want. All the nutters on here do.........Im just here to point out Realville to the rest of the people who are just a bit more grounded.
Hybrid/electric vehicles are a joke ( as the graph above clearly illustrates), but you come in here and the k00ks present it like they are about to become 40% of the market.
What these people fail to recognize is how any market really works........there is always a buyer or two for some fringe product. If there are enough of them to reap a small profit, they make it. Its the clever taking advantage of the dull...........it really is the magic of capitalism. Many people have figured out the scam that is the hybrid vehicle........25+K plus for a POS like the Prius.
But there are plenty of assholes out ther with issues who will buy one................
Like this sweetheart..................
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBV486ignTk]Guy gets yelled at by a fat Prius lady for having a diesel truck - YouTube[/ame]
Clever people figure out that there are a couple of million people out there who are these smug "everybody else is ignorant" jackasses who can be duped out of 25K so they can feel important. Like the butt ugly jackass above who desperately had seek a cause in life to be relevant..............
Priceless shit s0ns!!!!!!!!!!
Realville by skooks.
More epic Volt fAiL............and more k00k losing............
Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | Reuters
So many things wrong with that article I don't know where to start. I addressed this in another thread. If you find that thread, cool. If not....what ever.
That or some classes of vehicles we've come to know and love will disappear entirely from the automotive landscape. Now, in my opinion, that number will be closer to 10-15% than it would be to 40%.
Martin:::
That or some classes of vehicles we've come to know and love will disappear entirely from the automotive landscape. Now, in my opinion, that number will be closer to 10-15% than it would be to 40%.
The last time the Central Planners killed off a popular class of vehicle (the station wagon) they forced the market to go to truck chassis SUVs to get around the edict. This mandating thing is gonna make your job more lawyerly than engineering.
And I don't believe that hybrids are passing fad or that ICE engine advancements will remove the hybrid reason for being. The benefits of scavenging braking energy, natural start/stop tech, and the efficiency of electric drive motors are gonna make this tech. stick..
Larger questions exist about the wisdom of piling all our transportation power onto the grid for distribution.. You cannot seriously engineer a switch-over to electric vehicle power when you are telling folks to pull 1W chargers out of the walls and turn down their thermostats and replace their bulbs. We're not gonna get there having electrical generation at the edge of scarcity.. It's policy run amok..
Personally -- I think a better way to go would be to push on with fuel cells and make hydrogen from renewables (away from the GRID). You need fuel for transportation to be STORED.. That doesn't happen on the grid. You'll find that out 48 hours in advance of a hurricane when everyone needs to fuel up...
Martin:::
That or some classes of vehicles we've come to know and love will disappear entirely from the automotive landscape. Now, in my opinion, that number will be closer to 10-15% than it would be to 40%.
The last time the Central Planners killed off a popular class of vehicle (the station wagon) they forced the market to go to truck chassis SUVs to get around the edict. This mandating thing is gonna make your job more lawyerly than engineering.
And I don't believe that hybrids are passing fad or that ICE engine advancements will remove the hybrid reason for being. The benefits of scavenging braking energy, natural start/stop tech, and the efficiency of electric drive motors are gonna make this tech. stick..
Larger questions exist about the wisdom of piling all our transportation power onto the grid for distribution.. You cannot seriously engineer a switch-over to electric vehicle power when you are telling folks to pull 1W chargers out of the walls and turn down their thermostats and replace their bulbs. We're not gonna get there having electrical generation at the edge of scarcity.. It's policy run amok..
Personally -- I think a better way to go would be to push on with fuel cells and make hydrogen from renewables (away from the GRID). You need fuel for transportation to be STORED.. That doesn't happen on the grid. You'll find that out 48 hours in advance of a hurricane when everyone needs to fuel up...
Martin:::
That or some classes of vehicles we've come to know and love will disappear entirely from the automotive landscape. Now, in my opinion, that number will be closer to 10-15% than it would be to 40%.
The last time the Central Planners killed off a popular class of vehicle (the station wagon) they forced the market to go to truck chassis SUVs to get around the edict. This mandating thing is gonna make your job more lawyerly than engineering.
And I don't believe that hybrids are passing fad or that ICE engine advancements will remove the hybrid reason for being. The benefits of scavenging braking energy, natural start/stop tech, and the efficiency of electric drive motors are gonna make this tech. stick..
Larger questions exist about the wisdom of piling all our transportation power onto the grid for distribution.. You cannot seriously engineer a switch-over to electric vehicle power when you are telling folks to pull 1W chargers out of the walls and turn down their thermostats and replace their bulbs. We're not gonna get there having electrical generation at the edge of scarcity.. It's policy run amok..
Personally -- I think a better way to go would be to push on with fuel cells and make hydrogen from renewables (away from the GRID). You need fuel for transportation to be STORED.. That doesn't happen on the grid. You'll find that out 48 hours in advance of a hurricane when everyone needs to fuel up...
I also don't believe hybrids are a passing fad. I just don't think they will dominate the landscape like SUVs have in the US for the past 30 years. There are a number of paths to achieve the upcoming 2016 and 2020 fuel economy and emissions regulations. None of them is a silver bullet. As a result, we will see a blended set of solutions. Every large global automaker (GM, Ford, Toyota, FiatChrysler, Volkswagen, Honda, Hyundai) will have a mix of cars with downsized boosted engines (new BMW 5-Series has a 2.0 Liter 4-cylinder turbo instead of a 6 cylinder), diesels, hybrids, electric vehicles, and range extended electric vehicles. The trick is predicting which solutions work best in which classes of vehicle.
Don't believe me.....pick your favorite (or least favorite automaker) and google their name plus hybrid or BEV or diesel and see all the concept vehicles and production vehicles they are rushing to bring out with every one of the technologies I just mentioned. For giggles and grins, google BMW i-Series. Then note that the person running that program used to be the Chief Engineer for the Chevy Volt. Google Audi eTron. Or Mercedes E-Cell. These are production vehicles coming our way, folks. Volt was just first. The super cool Acura NSX sports car that Honda / Acura is going to build in Ohio in 2015 is a ......hybrid. Ferrari is going to replace the $1 million Ferrari Enzo with the Ferrari 599 which is......a hybrid.
When the US 2020 fuel economy regs hit.....54.5 mpg corporate fleet average, companies will be in the position where for every large SUV or pickup sold, they will have to sell a hybrid somewhere else in the portfolio to balance out their fuel economy position. Now, that is over-simplifying the situation, but basically, automakers will need to sell hybrids and electric vehicles in order to counter balance the poor fuel economy of pickups, SUV, and big engined sports cars.
So those of you who love SUVs and pickups should encourage the folks that like hybrids and EVs to buy more so that your pickups and SUVs can still be available at a reasonable price.
Interesting. The hybrids and electrics are the wave of the future. The owning of a car that runs partly on electricity, such as the C-Max Energi, will make solar very practical for the home owner. A quick payback on an investment that not only provides power for the home, but fuel for tranportation.
Martin:
From where I sit -- there are car lines that SHOULDN'T be forced into CAFE standards. There is nothing that Mercedes or BMW WANT to make that helps compliance. We've reached the point where the standards are FORCING products into manufacturers that have NO interest in marketing those cars.
I know for a fact that BMW is taking a tremendous hit from it's fan club over this Start-Stop nonsense. Customers are SCREAMING for BMW to permanently disable the feature.. MAYBE be BMW over-engineered the crap out of it and blew the implementation --- but also because the customers don't EXPECT that sketchy level of performance from their expensive cars.
So even if we cheered for the nutters who voluntarily buy EVs and 4 cyc gokarts, so we can buy SUVs -- these mandates are screwing up the raison d-etre for many car companies who don't want to be building commute boxes at all.