Election Interference: Here are the Four Colorado Justices Who Voted to Exclude Donald Trump from the 2024 Ballot

[SweetTea]

A couple have been convicted on sedition, seditious conspiracy and are seving 15 year plus sentence in prison.

However, the 14th section 3 does not require a conviction of the seditious insurrection...

The amendment does not say convicted of insurrection in a criminal court to be disqualified. It only states ENGAGED, and does not require a criminal conviction...

I do understand why y'all would think a conviction in a criminal court should be necessary, but since the amendment did not state such, the Colorado courts found him engaged in such, in their civil trial that took place before the Colorado Supreme court appeal review.

We are awaiting a very tricky and complicated U.S. SUPREME COURT Decision.

It is actually not tricky at all. It is kind of an open and shut case. Colorado got it completely wrong. It was nothing more than a partisan decision in which left-wing judges attempted to justify a preconceived judgement of a politician with which they don't agree or like.

 

[Delldude]

If you don't want to defend yourself in court that's your business you dipshit but you certainly don't win in court by not making an argument on your own behalf. That's how America's Mayor lost his lawsuit.

It will soon be a, how you clowns put it, a nothing burger?

 

[Faun]

Difference is OJ was charged and tried for murder. Then the parents filed a civil suit.

Still no due process, Stunade.

The part you're avoiding is that OJ was NOT convicted in a criminal court yet still held liable in a civil court.

Same thing applies here for Trump. He need not be convicted in a criminal court to be found liable in civil court.

And yes, due process was served. That's what his civil case was.

 

[Delldude]

It is actually not tricky at all. It is kind of an open and shut case. Colorado got it completely wrong. It was nothing more than a partisan decision in which left-wing judges attempted to justify a preconceived judgement of a politician with which they don't agree or like.

She want to disenfranchise American voters of their choice for president.

How fascist of her.

 

[Faun]

Watch the Supreme Court disagree. They will say state courts have no authority to say who can or can’t be on a ballot. Only a state legislature can do that. Plus there has to be a disqualifying conviction. Not just a partisan opinion. You idiot

Or they won't say that.

 

[Delldude]

The part you're avoiding is that OJ was NOT convicted in a criminal court yet still held liable in a civil court.

Same thing applies here for Trump. He need not be convicted in a criminal court to be found liable in civil court.

And yes, due process was served. That's what his civil case was.

OJ was arrested, charged and tried.......

I can't seem to find any charges against Trump.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Makes you wonder why these mediocre courts exist to come up with political rulings.

 

[Faun]

No they did not. Trump has not been charged or convicted of participating in any insurrection. Partisan opinions don’t count.

The SCOTUS will reverse that decision and stop other blue states from doing the same.

Didn't have to be charged with insurrection.

 

[Faun]

OJ was arrested, charged and tried.......

I can't seem to find any charges against Trump.

Because he wasn't charged. And like OJ, didn't need to be convicted to lose in a civil case.

 

[Lastamender]

The "Insurrection Clause" Doesn't Apply Without a Declaration of Insurrection | Frontpage Mag

Colorado judges don't get to declare that there was a federal insurrection.

www.frontpagemag.com

Tell us what we don't know.

 

[Care4all]

What's the plan when SCOTUS says this is BS?

Accept their decision. They are the highest court in the land!

 

[tahuyaman]

Didn't have to be charged with insurrection.

Yes, you do. When there’s no charge of insurrection, there is no insurrection. Your politically motivated opinion doesn’t matter.

You mindless hacks do not respect the democratic process. You don’t respect the voters. You want to protect democracy by eliminating democracy.

A random state court can not declare the capitol riot an insurrection.

 

[Nostra]

Sure. I'll quote from the ruling.


The question remains whether the record supported the district court's finding that President Trump engaged in the January 6 insurrection by acting overtly and voluntarily with the intent of aiding or furthering the insurrectionists common unlawful purpose. Again, mindful ofour applicable standard of review, we conclude that it did, and we proceed to a necessarily detailed discussion of the evidence to show why this is so.

Substantial evidence in the record showed that even before the November
2020 general election, President Trump was laying the groundwork for a claim that the election was rigged. For example, at an August 17,2020 campaign rally, he said that the only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged.

Moreover, when asked at a September 23,2020 press briefing whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election, President Trump refused to do so.

President Trump then lost the election, and despite the facts that his advisors repeatedly advised him that there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud and that no evidence showed that he himself believed the election was wrought with fraud, President Trump ramped up his claims that the election was stolen from him and undertook efforts to prevent the certification of the election results.

For example, in a December 13, 2020 tweet, he stated, Swing States that have found massive VOTER FRAUD, which is all of them, CANNOT LEGALLY CERTIFY these votes as complete & correct without committing a severely punishable crime.

And President Trump sought to overturn the
election results by directly exerting pressure on Republican office holders in various states.

On this point, and relevant to President Trump's intent in this case, many of
the state officials targeted by President Trump's efforts were subjected to abarrage
of harassment and violent threats by his supporters.

President Trump was well aware of these threats, particularly after Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling issued a public warning to President Trump to "stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence or omeone's going to get killed."
President Trump responded by retweeting a video of Sterling's press conference
with a message repeating the very rhetoric that Sterling warned would result in
violence.

And President Trump continued to fan the flames of his supporters ire, which he had ignited,with ongoing false assertions of election fraud, propelling the Stop the Steal movement and cross-country rallies leading up to January 6.

Specifically, between Election Day 2020 and January 6, Stop the Steal organizers held dozens of rallies around the country, proliferating President Trump's election disinformation and recruiting attendees, including members of violent extremist groups like the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the Three Percenters, QAnon conspiracy theorists, and white nationalists, to travel to Washington, D.C. onJanuary 6.

Stop the Steal leaders also joined two "Million MAGA Marches" in Washington, D.C. on November 14, 2020, and December 12, 2020. Again, as relevant to President Trump's intent here, after the November rally turned violent, President Trump acknowledged the violence but justified it as self defense against "ANTIFA SCUM."

With full knowledge of these sometimes-violent events, President Trump sent the following tweet on December 19, 2020, urging his supporters to travel to
Washington, D.C. on January 6: "Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest inD.C. on January 6. Be there, will be wild!"

Atthis point, the record established that President Trump's plan was that when Congress met to certify the election results on January 6, Vice President Pence could reject the true electors who voted for President Biden and certify a slate of fake electors supporting President Trump or he could return the slates to the states for further proceedings.

Far right extremists and militias such as the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the Three Percenters viewed President Trump's December 19, 2020 tweet as a
"call to arms," and they began to plot activities to disrupt the January 6 joint
session of Congress.

In the meantime, President Trump repeated his invitation to come to Washington, D.C. on January 6 at least twelve times.

Part I

Please cut and paste "attack the Capitol".

 

[Nostra]

Part II

On December 26 , 2020, President Trump tweeted:

If a Democrat Presidential Candidate had an Election Rigged & Stolen, with proof of such acts at a level never seen before, the Democrat Senators would consider it an act of war, and fight to the death Mitch [McConnell] & the Republicans do NOTHING, just want to let it pass. NOFIGHT!​

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And on January 1,2021,President Trump retweeted a post from Kylie Jane Kremer, an organizer of the scheduled January 6 March for Trump, that stated, "The calvary [sic] is coming, Mr. President! JANUARY 6 |Washington, D.C. President Trump added to his retweet, "A great honor!"

The foregoing evidence established that President Trump's messages were
a call to his supporters to fight and that his supporters responded to that call.
Further supporting such a conclusion was the fact that multiple federal agencies,
including the Secret Service, identified significant threats of violence in the days
leading up to January 6.

These threats were made openly online, and
they were widely reported in the press. Agency threat assessments thus stated
that domestic violent extremists planned for violence on January 6, with weapons
including firearms and enough ammunition to "win a small war."

Along the same lines, the Federal Bureau of Investigation received many
tips regarding the potential for violence on January 6.

One tip said:

They think they will have a large enough group to march into DC armed and will outnumber the police so they can't be stopped. They believe that since the election was stolen it's their​

constitutional right to overtake the government and during this coup​

no U.S.laws apply. Their planis to literally kill. Please, please take this tip seriously and investigate further.​

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The record reflects that President Trump had reason to know of the potential for violence on January 6. As President, he oversaw the agencies reporting the
foregoing threats.

In addition, Katrina Pierson, a senior advisor to both of President Trump's presidential campaigns, testified, on behalf of President
Trump, that at a January 5, 2021 meeting, President Trump chose the speakers for
the January 6 event at which he, too, would speak (avoiding at least some extremist speakers) and that he knew that radical political extremists were going to be in Washington,D.C. on January 6 and would likely attend his speech.

January 6 arrived, and in the early morning,President Trump tweeted, "If
Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency.
Many States want to decertify the mistake they made in certifying incorrect & even
fraudulent numbers in a process NOT approved by their State Legislatures (which
it must be). Mike can send it back!"

He followed this tweet later that
morning with another that said, "All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to
the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!"

These tweets had the obvious effect of putting a significant target on Vice
President Pence's back, focusing President Trump's supporters on the Vice President's role in overseeing the counting of the electoral votes and certifying the 2020 presidential election to ensure the peaceful transfer of power.

At about this same time, tens of thousands of President Trump's supporters
began gathering around the Ellipse for his speech. To enter the Ellipse
itself, attendees were required to pass through magnetometers. Notably, from the approximately 28,000 attendees who passed through these security checkpoints, the Secret Service confiscated hundreds of weapons and other prohibited items, including knives or blades, pepper spray, brass knuckles, tasers, body armor, gas masks, and batons or blunt instruments.
Approximately 25,000 additional attendees remained outside the Secret Service
perimeter, thus avoiding the magnetometers.

Part II

Please cut and paste "attack the Capitol", punk.

 

[Curried Goats]

Please cut and paste "attack the Capitol", punk.

Your strawman would fail in court because learned individuals don't argue in fallacies. Bingo.

 

[Nostra]

Part III

President Trump then gave a speech in which he literally exhorted his supporters to fight at the Capitol. Among other things, he told the crowd:

"We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, very basic reason: to save our democracy."​

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"Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It's like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we're going to have to fight much harder."​

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"Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you....."​

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"We're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some ofthem. Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong."​

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"When you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules."​

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"This the most corrupt election in the history, maybe of the world. This is not just a matter of domestic politics this is a matter of national security."​

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"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."​

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Unsurprisingly, the crowd at the Ellipse reacted to President Trump's words
with calls for violence. Indeed, after President Trump instructed his supporters to march to the Capitol, members of the crowd shouted, "torm the capitol!";
"Invade the Capitol Building!"; and "[T]ake the Capitol!"

And before he had even concluded his speech, President Trump's supporters followed his instructions.

The crowd marched to the Capitol, many carrying Revolutionary War flags and Confederate battle flags; quickly breached the building; and immediately advanced to the House and Senate chambers to carry
out their mission of blocking the certification of the 2020 presidential election.

By 1:21 p.m., President Trump was informed that the Capitol was under
attack.

Rather than taking action to end the siege, however, approximately one hour later, at 2:24 p.m., he tweeted, "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our
Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the
fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA
demands the truth!"

This tweet was read over a bullhorn to the crowd at the Capitol, and produced further violence, necessitating the evacuation of Vice President Pence from his Senate office to a more secure location to ensure his physical safety.

President Trump's next public communications were two tweets sent at 2:38 p.m. and 3:13 p.m., encouraging the mob to "remain peaceful" and to "stay peaceful" (obviously, the mob was not at all peaceful), but neither tweet condemned the violence nor asked the mob to disperse.

Throughout these several hours, President Trump ignored pleas to intervene and instead called on Senators, urging them to help delay the electoral count, which is what the mob, upon President Trump's exhortations, was also
trying to achieve.

And President Trump took no action to put an end to the violence. To the contrary, as mentioned above, when told that the mob was chanting, "Hang Mike Pence," President Trump responded that perhaps the Vice
President deserved to be hanged. President Trump also rejected pleas from House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy, imploring him to tell his supporters
to leave the Capitol, stating, "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are."

Finally, at 4:17 p.m., President Trump released a video urging the mob to
go home now. Even then, he did not condemn the mob's actions. Instead, he sympathized with those who had violently overtaken the Capitol, telling them that he knew their pain.

He told them that he loved them and that they were "very special." And he repeated
his false claim that the election had been stolen notwithstanding his "landslide"
victory, thereby further endorsing the effort to try to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

A short while later, President Trump reiterated this supportive message to
the mobby justifying its actions, tweeting at 6:01 p.m., "These are the things and
events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace."

President Trump concluded by encouraging the country to "[r]emember this day
forever!"

We conclude that the foregoing evidence, the great bulk of which was undisputed at trial, established that President Trump engaged in insurrection. President Trump's direct and express efforts,over several months, exhorting his supporters to march to the Capitol to prevent what he falsely characterized as an alleged fraud on the people of this country were indisputably overt and voluntary. Moreover, the evidence amply showed that President Trump undertook all these actions to aid and further a common unlawful purpose that he himself conceived and set in motion: prevent Congress from certifying the 2020 presidential election and stop the peaceful transfer of power. We disagree with President Trump's contentions that the record does not support a finding that he engaged in an insurrection because (1) “engage" does not include incite, and (2) he did not have the requisite intent to aid or further the insurrectionists common unlawful purpose .As our detailed recitation of the evidence shows, President Trump did not merely incite the insurrection. Even when the siege on the Capitol was fully
underway, he continued to support it by repeatedly demanding that Vice President Pence refuse to perform his constitutional duty and by calling Senators to persuade them to stop the countingof electoral votes. These actions constituted overt, voluntary, and direct participation inthe insurrection.
Moreover, the record amply demonstrates that President Trump fully intended to and did aid or further the insurrectionists common unlawful purpose of preventing the peaceful transfer of power in this country. He exhorted them to fight to prevent the certification of the 2020 presidential election. He personally took action to try to stop the certification. And for many hours, he and his supporters succeeded in halting that process. For these reasons, we conclude that the record fully supports the district court's finding that President Trump engaged in insurrection within the meaning of Section Three.

Conclusion.

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Please cut and paste "attack the Capitol", punk.

Three strikes and you are OUT, Loser.

 

[Care4all]

It is actually not tricky at all. It is kind of an open and shut case. Colorado got it completely wrong. It was nothing more than a partisan decision in which left-wing judges attempted to justify a preconceived judgement of a politician with which they don't agree or like.

I do not believe that happened.

I believe the Colorado supreme court simply followed the letter of the law/constitution under the section 3 in the 14th, in a Civil court proceeding.

Section 3 states ENGAGED, it did not state Disqualified upon a CONVICTION in a criminal court.

 

[Nostra]

Your strawman would fail in court because learned individuals don't argue in fallacies. Bingo.

So you have no quote, liar.

 

[Curried Goats]

So you have no quote, liar.

The ruling provided plenty of quotes from Trump. Providing the one specific quote that you will accept as evidence of insurrection doesn't mean a ******* thing to anyone else but you, Bingo.

 

[Care4all]

OJ was arrested, charged and tried.......

I can't seem to find any charges against Trump.

And O.J. was found Not Guilty in his CRIMINAL trial,

BUT in O.J.s CIVIL trial, he was found responsible for Ron and his wife's death.