Election fraud is not a conspiracy theory!

[Devils_Advocate]

The greatest trick the election fraudsters ever pulled, was convincing the country they didn't exist.

You know the Devil would be very upset with your for changing that damn quote from Usual Suspects!

 

[JGalt]

The greatest trick the election fraudsters ever pulled, was convincing the country they didn't exist.

You know the Devil would be very upset with your for changing that damn quote from Usual Suspects!

Fuck that serpent. I'm putting on the full armor of God, the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

The devil can go fuck himself.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

The greatest trick the election fraudsters ever pulled, was convincing the country they didn't exist.

You know the Devil would be very upset with your for changing that damn quote from Usual Suspects!

Fuck that serpent. I'm putting on the full armor of God, the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

The devil can go fuck himself.

Funny thing is the quote you used was at the end of Usual Suspects Movie and it was about the Devil aka Kaiser whatever his name was...

 

[candycorn]

These things happen in every election.

There are enough MAJOR FIRSTS in this election to make that statement comical. This isn't even close to "every election"

Such as?

Well... The amount of mail in ballots. Duh.

TWO People in this election broke the old record for most votes. One makes sense... Two?

Pfft..

Uh YES! It makes perfect sense when you send ballots to every registered voter, give them about 30-45 days to fill it out and send it back in....you'll get higher turn out than you would if you force people to show up at an appointed day and an appointed time...wait for hours perhaps...and cast their ballot.

We can (and should) have a discussion about what it says about the American electorate that they are so lazy that they have to be catered to in such a way to get participation but the fact that so many did is not surprising.

It would be more surprising if Biden got 80M votes and Trump got about what he got last time. That two candidates got so many votes (as well as a strong showing by libertarians in some places) is a sign that mailing votes was not slanted to one party or the other.

Feel free to demonstrate it. So far you have no evidence.

I can't force you to watch the video's. You can say that over and over... But not looking at the evidence does not mean there is no evidence. It's there.

Now I freely admit, more than once, that I don't think this is enough to do anything more than warrant further investigation. But it does warrant that in my opinion.

Understand you don't have an opinion worth noting unless you actually look at the same evidence to have a conversation with me. Look or don't. I can't force you to do anything. If you do and disagree... Fine. But to suggest without informing yourself of what I'm presenting to you... *shrugs*

What do you want me to do here?

What do I want you to do? Look at the court decisions and ask yourself, "If they are not finding fault with the election...why am I?"

 

[Devils_Advocate]

These things happen in every election.

There are enough MAJOR FIRSTS in this election to make that statement comical. This isn't even close to "every election"

Such as?

Well... The amount of mail in ballots. Duh.

TWO People in this election broke the old record for most votes. One makes sense... Two?

Pfft..

Uh YES! It makes perfect sense when you send ballots to every registered voter, give them about 30-45 days to fill it out and send it back in....you'll get higher turn out than you would if you force people to show up at an appointed day and an appointed time...wait for hours perhaps...and cast their ballot.

We can (and should) have a discussion about what it says about the American electorate that they are so lazy that they have to be catered to in such a way to get participation but the fact that so many did is not surprising.

It would be more surprising if Biden got 80M votes and Trump got about what he got last time. That two candidates got so many votes (as well as a strong showing by libertarians in some places) is a sign that mailing votes was not slanted to one party or the other.

Feel free to demonstrate it. So far you have no evidence.

I can't force you to watch the video's. You can say that over and over... But not looking at the evidence does not mean there is no evidence. It's there.

Now I freely admit, more than once, that I don't think this is enough to do anything more than warrant further investigation. But it does warrant that in my opinion.

Understand you don't have an opinion worth noting unless you actually look at the same evidence to have a conversation with me. Look or don't. I can't force you to do anything. If you do and disagree... Fine. But to suggest without informing yourself of what I'm presenting to you... *shrugs*

What do you want me to do here?

What do I want you to do? Look at the court decisions and ask yourself, "If they are not finding fault with the election...why am I?"

Why are they finding fault?

Simple, they can not believe Sleepy Joe won a damn election and against Trump of all people!

I am actually being serious and they are blown away at the reality that there was eighty million people that hated Trump so much they rather have Biden as President!

 

[mamooth]

It's 81 million now. New York finally finished reporting.

 

[candycorn]

These things happen in every election.

There are enough MAJOR FIRSTS in this election to make that statement comical. This isn't even close to "every election"

Such as?

Well... The amount of mail in ballots. Duh.

TWO People in this election broke the old record for most votes. One makes sense... Two?

Pfft..

Uh YES! It makes perfect sense when you send ballots to every registered voter, give them about 30-45 days to fill it out and send it back in....you'll get higher turn out than you would if you force people to show up at an appointed day and an appointed time...wait for hours perhaps...and cast their ballot.

We can (and should) have a discussion about what it says about the American electorate that they are so lazy that they have to be catered to in such a way to get participation but the fact that so many did is not surprising.

It would be more surprising if Biden got 80M votes and Trump got about what he got last time. That two candidates got so many votes (as well as a strong showing by libertarians in some places) is a sign that mailing votes was not slanted to one party or the other.

Feel free to demonstrate it. So far you have no evidence.

I can't force you to watch the video's. You can say that over and over... But not looking at the evidence does not mean there is no evidence. It's there.

Now I freely admit, more than once, that I don't think this is enough to do anything more than warrant further investigation. But it does warrant that in my opinion.

Understand you don't have an opinion worth noting unless you actually look at the same evidence to have a conversation with me. Look or don't. I can't force you to do anything. If you do and disagree... Fine. But to suggest without informing yourself of what I'm presenting to you... *shrugs*

What do you want me to do here?

What do I want you to do? Look at the court decisions and ask yourself, "If they are not finding fault with the election...why am I?"

Why are they finding fault?

Simple, they can not believe Sleepy Joe won a damn election and against Trump of all people!

I am actually being serious and they are blown away at the reality that there was eighty million people that hated Trump so much they rather have Biden as President!

They're having trouble accepting reality.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

These things happen in every election.

There are enough MAJOR FIRSTS in this election to make that statement comical. This isn't even close to "every election"

Such as?

Well... The amount of mail in ballots. Duh.

TWO People in this election broke the old record for most votes. One makes sense... Two?

Pfft..

Uh YES! It makes perfect sense when you send ballots to every registered voter, give them about 30-45 days to fill it out and send it back in....you'll get higher turn out than you would if you force people to show up at an appointed day and an appointed time...wait for hours perhaps...and cast their ballot.

We can (and should) have a discussion about what it says about the American electorate that they are so lazy that they have to be catered to in such a way to get participation but the fact that so many did is not surprising.

It would be more surprising if Biden got 80M votes and Trump got about what he got last time. That two candidates got so many votes (as well as a strong showing by libertarians in some places) is a sign that mailing votes was not slanted to one party or the other.

Feel free to demonstrate it. So far you have no evidence.

I can't force you to watch the video's. You can say that over and over... But not looking at the evidence does not mean there is no evidence. It's there.

Now I freely admit, more than once, that I don't think this is enough to do anything more than warrant further investigation. But it does warrant that in my opinion.

Understand you don't have an opinion worth noting unless you actually look at the same evidence to have a conversation with me. Look or don't. I can't force you to do anything. If you do and disagree... Fine. But to suggest without informing yourself of what I'm presenting to you... *shrugs*

What do you want me to do here?

What do I want you to do? Look at the court decisions and ask yourself, "If they are not finding fault with the election...why am I?"

Why are they finding fault?

Simple, they can not believe Sleepy Joe won a damn election and against Trump of all people!

I am actually being serious and they are blown away at the reality that there was eighty million people that hated Trump so much they rather have Biden as President!

They're having trouble accepting reality.

Seriously do you ever consider most on this forum have issues with reality, so for me this is normal...

 

[Shelzin]

Uh YES! It makes perfect sense when you send ballots to every registered voter, give them about 30-45 days to fill it out and send it back in....you'll get higher turn out than you would if you force people to show up at an appointed day and an appointed time...wait for hours perhaps...and cast their ballot.

It also makes sense that some of those who can take advantage of the system and will gain from it.. Will.

It would be more surprising if Biden got 80M votes and Trump got about what he got last time.

If seven million more votes, breaking Obama's record as well, is "About the same as last time"... I just have to disagree with you.
But then... If I believe there was fraud... Why wouldn't I think there was for Trump as well?

Great question, I'm glad you asked.

I do care. I want this election to PROVE without a shadow of doubt that both parties cheated. I want to revamp the election process to where we can VERIFY the election.

Do I want Biden as a president? No.. I don't. But it's much more important to show just how much this current process was wronged to show it needs to be changed.

What do I want you to do? Look at the court decisions and ask yourself, "If they are not finding fault with the election...why am I?"

You must have missed the part where I said I don't trust the government in my first post. I don't like the RNC and the DNC for the same reasons. The more people who look into this.. The better. The more people we take out that we have to TRUST to make sure our votes are counted right, the better.

Edit: Watch the videos... I'm not asking you to agree with them. I'm asking you if it's logical that we should make changes to the system so these problems don't exist anymore.

 

[candycorn]

Uh YES! It makes perfect sense when you send ballots to every registered voter, give them about 30-45 days to fill it out and send it back in....you'll get higher turn out than you would if you force people to show up at an appointed day and an appointed time...wait for hours perhaps...and cast their ballot.

It also makes sense that some of those who can take advantage of the system and will gain from it.. Will.

Yet none (or very few anyway) seem to have.

It would be more surprising if Biden got 80M votes and Trump got about what he got last time.

If seven million more votes, breaking Obama's record as well, is "About the same as last time"... I just have to disagree with you.
But then... If I believe there was fraud... Why wouldn't I think there was for Trump as well?

Great question, I'm glad you asked.

I do care. I want this election to PROVE without a shadow of doubt that both parties cheated. I want to revamp the election process to where we can VERIFY the election.

Do I want Biden as a president? No.. I don't. But it's much more important to show just how much this current process was wronged to show it needs to be changed.

I seem to have missed you insisting for re-counts and examinations of the voting machines in North Carolina, Florida and Texas. Why is that?

What do I want you to do? Look at the court decisions and ask yourself, "If they are not finding fault with the election...why am I?"

You must have missed the part where I said I don't trust the government in my first post. I don't like the RNC and the DNC for the same reasons. The more people who look into this.. The better. The more people we take out that we have to TRUST to make sure our votes are counted right, the better.

Your paranoia is your problem.
Its not ours.

 

[Shelzin]

Yet none (or very few anyway) seem to have.

I've never seen so many affidavits for an election before. Seem is the word, yes... Watch the videos.

I seem to have missed you insisting for re-counts and examinations of the voting machines in North Carolina, Florida and Texas. Why is that?

I wouldn't mind at all! Do it. Only I don't want JUST re-counts. I want the examinations as you put it. Absolutely. Go ahead.

Edit: Don't get me wrong... It makes more sense to do it where people are claiming through affidavits there was cheating first... but... Whatever... As long as it gets done.

You should know by now... I'm after truth. That's it. I'll call anyone wrong I find wrong. I've been called a trumpster and a socialist on these boards. There is a reason why. /Edit

Your paranoia is your problem.
Its not ours.

So... You don't want verifiable elections?

 

[candycorn]

Yet none (or very few anyway) seem to have.

I've never seen so many affidavits for an election before. Seem is the word, yes... Watch the videos.

Affidavits? You've also never seen a loser so active in swearing up and down there is fraud.
Yet when they get into court, fraud isn't being argued. Why is that?

I seem to have missed you insisting for re-counts and examinations of the voting machines in North Carolina, Florida and Texas. Why is that?

I wouldn't mind at all! Do it. Only I don't want JUST re-counts. I want the examinations as you put it. Absolutely. Go ahead.

Strange how you seem to have "trusted" those states....based only on the outcome that you liked...and only are now talking about not trusting because I pointed out your hypocrisy.

Your paranoia is your problem.
Its not ours.

So... You don't want verifiable elections?

If you don't trust the government...your words not mine...elections are not the problem.
Who is going to investigate to make sure the elections are "verifiable" (whatever the hell that means)?

 

[gipper]

Election ‘fraud’ is a conspiracy theory.

Is Russiagate a conspiracy theory too?

 

[Shelzin]

If you don't trust the government...your words not mine...elections are not the problem.
Who is going to investigate to make sure the elections are "verifiable" (whatever the hell that means)?

WATCH THE FUCK'N VIDEOS I POST.



If you are against that... Please... Tell me why.

 

[candycorn]

Yet none (or very few anyway) seem to have.

I've never seen so many affidavits for an election before. Seem is the word, yes... Watch the videos.

I seem to have missed you insisting for re-counts and examinations of the voting machines in North Carolina, Florida and Texas. Why is that?

I wouldn't mind at all! Do it. Only I don't want JUST re-counts. I want the examinations as you put it. Absolutely. Go ahead.

Edit: Don't get me wrong... It makes more sense to do it where people are claiming through affidavits there was cheating first... but... Whatever... As long as it gets done.

You should know by now... I'm after truth. That's it. I'll call anyone wrong I find wrong. I've been called a trumpster and a socialist on these boards. There is a reason why. /Edit

Your paranoia is your problem.
Its not ours.

So... You don't want verifiable elections?

As for the elections, I think we should do the following:

Nationwide standardized voter ID with picture.
Nationwide 30 days of in-person voting before election day
Mail in ballots for anyone who wants them...you select your option when you register to vote.
Just like you have a State Health Department, or a State Highway Patrol...each state should have a state office of voter protection (call it what you want). Full time job of making sure the voter rolls are as accurate as possible.

This--among other things.

 

[Shelzin]

As for the elections, I think we should do the following:

Nationwide standardized voter ID with picture.

I'm good with that. I don't think the DNC would however. That's kind of a RNC suggestion that has been fought against for a good long time.

Nationwide 30 days of in-person voting before election day

I need to put more thought into this.

Mail in ballots for anyone who wants them...you select your option when you register to vote.

No problems there.

Just like you have a State Health Department, or a State Highway Patrol...each state should have a state office of voter protection (call it what you want). Full time job of making sure the voter rolls are as accurate as possible.

Works for me. And... E-voting as described in the video.

 

[Shelzin]

Strange how you seem to have "trusted" those states....based only on the outcome that you liked...and only are now talking about not trusting because I pointed out your hypocrisy.

That's the first time I've actually felt insulted on the forums. Congratulations.

It's not true though. I have zero problems admitting I've voted for the loser for many years. I knew it when I did it. You are obviously free to think what you like. But that's not true.

Edit: It does however give insight into the poison you've either been dealing with, or have, in the political world.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

My opinion does not count. The decision of the state electoral officials and the decisions of the courts count. They have been deciding, and it ain’t for the shyster Trump.

Nevertheless I have spent countless hours already listening to, and cross-checking absurd charges made by Trump & Giuliani & others, reading nonsense theories and even threats from idiotic rightwing nutcases here, and ... I’VE HAD IT. No more from me, Shelzin, I’ve already stopped listening.

Both parties might cheat — if they thought they could get away with it. I’ve always believed that.

But Trump’s people can only “cry wolf” so many times, change stories so many times, go down so many rabbit holes. I hear his lawyer talk shit to the public, insulting even Republicans, talking about “drawing and quartering” an elected official, and it makes me furious. I read shit about raids in Germany that never happened, watch videos of photographers moving camera equipment, and NONE of it EVER sticks! Only if a responsible court finds and lays out substantial evidence will I ever pay attention again.

Trump fanatics without clear evidence will never succeed in disregarding the (already gerry-rigged) EC vote. They will not throw this decision to the Supreme Court either. Those who have already been found lying and circulating false rumors should be ashamed of themselves ... but of course won’t be.

The country will now have to piece itself back together slowly, if ever it can.

 

[Shelzin]

The country will now have to piece itself back together slowly, if ever it can.

I don't believe it can unless we get verifiable elections.

 

[candycorn]

Strange how you seem to have "trusted" those states....based only on the outcome that you liked...and only are now talking about not trusting because I pointed out your hypocrisy.

That's the first time I've actually felt insulted on the forums. Congratulations.

It's not true though. I have zero problems admitting I've voted for the loser for many years. I knew it when I did it. You are obviously free to think what you like. But that's not true.

Edit: It does however give insight into the poison you've either been dealing with, or have, in the political world.

Sure... If the truth is poison...

The truth is that you and every other Trump supporter here have not said one word--to the best of my knowledge--about the elections in NC, TX, FL. If you have, it has been in passing and not with 10% of the same fervor of bullshit you've spoken about states Trump lost.

The only reason for that is rank hypocrisy.

If the shoe fits, wear it.